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๐ฌ Re: New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
7 days ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder (
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Hi JB,
Re have I got back to the Drifter, unfortinatly no. I will post an explination for the extra long break at some point. Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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7 days ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi (
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Thanks for the comments guys. I'm pleased it doesn't try too hard to be a sub, as that was my concern when building a mostly scale model of a normally 'very wet' full sized open dinghy with not a lot of freeboard. I could probably move the weight back on the new keel to make another small improvement, but I'm happy enough with it as it is now. Everything is sealed up as much as possible and covered in Vaseline in case of a crash dive ๐ฎ but there is nothing getting in so far which is good. The self draining cockpit should get rid of any large ingress if it nosedives.
Ron,- re where is the pond ? - it's near the Gulf Harbour Marina north of Auckland (type these co-ordinates into Google Earth to find it) 36 36 34.50 S 174 47 23.28 E Google street will give you a good view. It is the retention pond for the subdivision built round an international standard golf course which is now abandoned. The huge clubhouse and golf shop were burnt down by arsonists a couple of years ago after it closed. Locals are mowing parts of it to use for practice till something happens.. Your steam setup looks impressive Gary ! Have you managed to get back to your drifter Steve ?, - hope you can get it finished eventually. JB ▲
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๐ฌ Re: New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
7 days ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder (
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Hi JB,
Looks like a really good improvement on how she preforms. ๐ Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
8 days ago by ๐ฌ๐ง GaryLC (
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I'll be the first to admit I know naff all about sail boats, but that looks pretty damn neat to me. Extremely manoeuvrable and finally sorted, I'll guess you are pretty damn pleased with that sailing session. That is a really nice lake you have access to, keep up the experimental works. Looking forward to what ever comes along next. Regards, Gary.
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๐ฌ Re: New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
8 days ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Ronald (
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She sails well in into the wind, quick response on the helm. You must be very pleased.
Where is this ? It looks like the pond where Peter Duncan sailed. ▲
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26 days ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi (
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Hi Andy, boat is 2.5kg (was 2.2 but have added 300g of lead to the stern) and the c/board is 1.2kg, so 3.7kg all up. By comparison, an IOM yacht has a minimum weight of 4kg. It's not going to be a high wind model, but sailed ok on it's first outing with little wind, and showed no tendency to fall over in gusts. The extra lead in the stern might help correct the bow down attitude, which is how it's going to sail with no human interaction to balance it.
The c/board won't have the leverage of a long bulb keel, but I wanted a way to keep it more scale looking, and enough to right it if it gets knocked flat. I'm hoping I can get it to plane eventually in a good breeze, and that the hull shape lift will counteract the nose down attitude if it gets going fast enough to avoid submarining. JB ▲
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27 days ago by ๐ฌ๐ง AndyB2 (
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Excellent - always good to see models sailing, especially if they are made to scale, which is an extra challenge - well done.
Interested to know the weight of the hull and how much the centre board finally weighed? Your centre board is good solution rather than a false keel with a bulb weight. ▲
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27 days ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi (
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Thanks LD, had a similar thought but using wedges in the c/board case, but it's easy enough to add some to the leading edge. The model is also very sensitive to COB changes as you mentioned, as 20mm difference was like night and day, (just reversed the c/board in the pic) I think it's because of the flat bottom,- now it's quite sensitive to the rudder. Off to the fishing shop to get some sinkers to try and level the hull in the water, (no human ballast shifting round the boat in dinghies,- unlike a keel boat).
Could do with a horse setup for the mainsheet to straighten the leech a bit, but that would depend on the travel available in the sheet hauler. A few mods to do and I'll have another go. JB ▲
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๐ฌ Re: New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
27 days ago by ๐ฌ๐ง luckyduck (
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Superb JB, you might also try what I had on my full size moth, which was that the centreboard instead of being vertical, when it was fully down, I had a shock cord, which pulled the top of the board backwards, forcing the bottom of the board forward, it only moved forward between 1 and 2 inches, but was enough to make a huge difference in speed of tacking.
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๐ฌ Re: New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
29 days ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi (
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Thanks LD, still have the moth emblem to put on the sail, not sure what to use yet,- maybe a decal. Weather still not great, champing at the bit to get it wet. On Fri I took my 70s 12ft racing dinghy in to our big wooden boat festival here in Auckland. At least the weather was dry enough to cart that 32km to the city. Coincidentally, my Cherokee 12ft dinghy (red one in the pic-no 93 pics 1+2)) ended up beside an old moth from the same period. Around 60 different types of small sailboats in the indoor display, with lots of beautiful clinker boats. Dozens of vintage launches in the on water display outside.
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1 month ago by ๐ฌ๐ง luckyduck (
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Absolute masterstroke JB, and VERY realistic - if put onto a pond with sufficient difference in perspective would easily pass for the real deal - just hope it saisl as well as the real thing. By the way, you might need your NZ sail number!!!!
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1 month ago by ๐บ๐ธ jumpugly (
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1 month ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi (
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Hi Steve,
almost there, just need the weather to co-operate now . JB ▲
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1 month ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder (
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Hi JB,
Looks like she is nearly ready to get wet. Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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2 months ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi (
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Hi Ross, I've had it sewn just as a way of taking the load off the tape, as it's only 5mm from Temu. Tape adhesive does go hard after a few years and will just fall off eventually, so a bit of help should make it last longer. The sail is back from the seamstress (NZ $25) and she's made a nice job of the batten pockets. I've yet to fit it to the mast and finish the battens, but it should look good once all tensioned up. - Added sail pic to last post
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2 months ago by ๐จ๐ฆ RossM (
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JB
If you are using RIPSTOP, 3M double back tape may be all you require. TOMARACK has told me that is all he needs for seaming the sails. I have put panel seams into my sails and they appear to be very strong, just using tape. I suspected you were using RIPSTOP when you stated that you were cutting the sailing with a soldering gun. I was waiting for your answer to Ron's question. I use a chisel point tip on a soldering pencil along a steel edge ruler. The heat sealed up the edges on the leech of the sail on the RG65. It's held up with no hemming ▲
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2 months ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi (
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Hi Ron,- using rip stop nylon
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2 months ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Ronald (
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What are you using for
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2 months ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder (
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Hi JB,
You're making some great progress, I hope the centre board works as hoped. Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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2 months ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi (
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Hi guys, thanks for the kind comments. Re crimps Chris, they are just pieces of 3mm copper tube, cut to length from some K&S precision metals (USA) stock, and crimped with Bonito pliers (for making fishing traces). The plastic coated stainless trace wire I used was able to be twisted and fused with heat, but crimping was easier.
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2 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ChrisF (
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As JB says, outstanding.
Can you buy the crimps or did you make them? ▲
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2 months ago by ๐บ๐ธ jumpugly (
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Absolutely outstanding workmanship JB!!! Love that lead work and respect all the effort you've put in to it! Looking forward to a video as I bet she sails like a champ!
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3 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง luckyduck (
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That is one beautiful rudder blade and stock JB - I can remember the shape so well. You have also picked almost the same red as my Skol for the hull, it then had a pale blue deck? Colour idea for you?
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