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    New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
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    ๐Ÿ“ New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I've now made a new keel for the moth. It's 700g lighter but still has the same righting ability, as the weight is now on a slightly shorter skeg, but now as a bulb, rather than previously distributed over the length of the original c/board in a milled out center, (done for more scale aesthetics) The original only added weight, and a lot of it was wasted in the upper side and not doing much toward righting ability.

    I made a new mould, and cast 2 weights using and equal number of lead ball sinkers. These were epoxied onto the skeg and bolted through with brass bolts for security. The skeg has a 20mm hardwood leading edge added, which is f/glassed on to correct the center of balance.

    Managed to get a 2nd test sail after waiting for some bad weather to pass, and the boat now sails a lot better with the reduced keel weight and the 200g of weight in the rear of the cockpit
    Sits with the hull level now, not as prone to 'duck shoveling'.

    JB



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    7 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡บ stevedownunder ( Commodore)
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    Hi JB,
    Re have I got back to the Drifter, unfortinatly no.
    I will post an explination for the extra long break at some point.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    7 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Thanks for the comments guys. I'm pleased it doesn't try too hard to be a sub, as that was my concern when building a mostly scale model of a normally 'very wet' full sized open dinghy with not a lot of freeboard. I could probably move the weight back on the new keel to make another small improvement, but I'm happy enough with it as it is now. Everything is sealed up as much as possible and covered in Vaseline in case of a crash dive ๐Ÿ˜ฎ but there is nothing getting in so far which is good. The self draining cockpit should get rid of any large ingress if it nosedives.

    Ron,- re where is the pond ? - it's near the Gulf Harbour Marina north of Auckland (type these co-ordinates into Google Earth to find it) 36 36 34.50 S 174 47 23.28 E Google street will give you a good view. It is the retention pond for the subdivision built round an international standard golf course which is now abandoned. The huge clubhouse and golf shop were burnt down by arsonists a couple of years ago after it closed. Locals are mowing parts of it to use for practice till something happens..

    Your steam setup looks impressive Gary ! Have you managed to get back to your drifter
    Steve ?, - hope you can get it finished eventually.
    JB


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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
    7 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡บ stevedownunder ( Commodore)
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    Hi JB,
    Looks like a really good improvement on how she preforms. ๐Ÿ‘

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง GaryLC ( Captain)
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    I'll be the first to admit I know naff all about sail boats, but that looks pretty damn neat to me. Extremely manoeuvrable and finally sorted, I'll guess you are pretty damn pleased with that sailing session. That is a really nice lake you have access to, keep up the experimental works. Looking forward to what ever comes along next. Regards, Gary.
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    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Ronald ( Fleet Admiral)
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    She sails well in into the wind, quick response on the helm. You must be very pleased.

    Where is this ? It looks like the pond where Peter Duncan sailed.
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    ๐Ÿ“ New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
    26 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    After the successful first outing, I've added a few more bits which I left off in case it turned out to be a total failure. I've added a tiller, cast some small 110g weights for the stern (to try and level the boat under sail), fitted foredeck coamings, and made a spring supported mainsheet block to prevent the block becoming tangled in the mainsheet hauler line (previously the block was on a cord.)

    It's now on an eye in the floor, and the spring keeps it upright out of the way (same idea as a full sized stand up block) but still flexible. I've also painted and mounted the 2 lead weights on the rear cockpit sides. Ready for round 2.

    JB

    ๐Ÿ“ New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
    27 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Finally got to wet the moth after picking up my racing dinghy from the boat festival in the city. Wind had died down and was just right for a test. It went quite well but needs more adding to the c/board leading edge, as it wouldn't tack at first, with the c/board 20mm back from the front of the c/board case. Spaced fully forward it was slightly better, but I ended up reversing the c/board so the 20mm trailing edge was forward, and it was spot on.

    Will be modding the c/board with 40mm on the leading edge (had the same problem with my catamaran) Unfortunately couldn't build the case any further forward because of the winch position. Boat's a bit nose heavy so will need some rear ballast. At present I'm making a tiller and a water diverting coaming for the deck. Only shipped a spoonful or 2 of water on the test, but the electrics stayed dry which was the main thing. A few mods and I'll give it another go.

    JB


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    26 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Andy, boat is 2.5kg (was 2.2 but have added 300g of lead to the stern) and the c/board is 1.2kg, so 3.7kg all up. By comparison, an IOM yacht has a minimum weight of 4kg. It's not going to be a high wind model, but sailed ok on it's first outing with little wind, and showed no tendency to fall over in gusts. The extra lead in the stern might help correct the bow down attitude, which is how it's going to sail with no human interaction to balance it.

    The c/board won't have the leverage of a long bulb keel, but I wanted a way to keep it more scale looking, and enough to right it if it gets knocked flat. I'm hoping I can get it to plane eventually in a good breeze, and that the hull shape lift will counteract the nose down attitude if it gets going fast enough to avoid submarining.

    JB
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    27 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Excellent - always good to see models sailing, especially if they are made to scale, which is an extra challenge - well done.
    Interested to know the weight of the hull and how much the centre board finally weighed? Your centre board is good solution rather than a false keel with a bulb weight.
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    27 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Thanks LD, had a similar thought but using wedges in the c/board case, but it's easy enough to add some to the leading edge. The model is also very sensitive to COB changes as you mentioned, as 20mm difference was like night and day, (just reversed the c/board in the pic) I think it's because of the flat bottom,- now it's quite sensitive to the rudder. Off to the fishing shop to get some sinkers to try and level the hull in the water, (no human ballast shifting round the boat in dinghies,- unlike a keel boat).

    Could do with a horse setup for the mainsheet to straighten the leech a bit, but that would depend on the travel available in the sheet hauler. A few mods to do and I'll have another go.

    JB
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    27 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง luckyduck ( Lieutenant)
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    Superb JB, you might also try what I had on my full size moth, which was that the centreboard instead of being vertical, when it was fully down, I had a shock cord, which pulled the top of the board backwards, forcing the bottom of the board forward, it only moved forward between 1 and 2 inches, but was enough to make a huge difference in speed of tacking.
    ๐Ÿ“ New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    99% done now, finished after a 12hr stint on Sunday afternoon. The RX and battery covers are done as well as the c/board spacers, c/board case top trim, winch splash cover, wiring secured and hidden as much as possible, and a few other minor bits and pieces. The 1% is for if it sails. I was hoping to try it today, but the weather changed from fine for a week to wind and rain, so will have to wait for the next fine day with light winds for testing. Keen to see if it's going to need a periscope๐Ÿ˜€

    JB

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    29 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Thanks LD, still have the moth emblem to put on the sail, not sure what to use yet,- maybe a decal. Weather still not great, champing at the bit to get it wet. On Fri I took my 70s 12ft racing dinghy in to our big wooden boat festival here in Auckland. At least the weather was dry enough to cart that 32km to the city. Coincidentally, my Cherokee 12ft dinghy (red one in the pic-no 93 pics 1+2)) ended up beside an old moth from the same period. Around 60 different types of small sailboats in the indoor display, with lots of beautiful clinker boats. Dozens of vintage launches in the on water display outside.
    JB
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    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง luckyduck ( Lieutenant)
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    Absolute masterstroke JB, and VERY realistic - if put onto a pond with sufficient difference in perspective would easily pass for the real deal - just hope it saisl as well as the real thing. By the way, you might need your NZ sail number!!!!
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    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ jumpugly ( Admiral)
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    Tis' A Beautiful Thing JB!!!!!!!
    ๐Ÿ“ New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Sail's now fitted to the mast, and battens made from resin coated 1.5mm ply. The mainsheet hauler is now sorted also. Managed to find a suitable small Li-ion 7.4v 1500mah 2s battery for the boat, from a large Chinese owned model shop -

    https://hobbystation.co.nz/
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    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Steve,

    almost there, just need the weather to co-operate now .

    JB
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    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡บ stevedownunder ( Commodore)
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    Hi JB,
    Looks like she is nearly ready to get wet.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
    ๐Ÿ“ New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Cut the sail last night using a Weller soldering gun, and managed to get the luff and foot taped ready to sew. Rather than make a mess with my sewing, I decided to take it to the experts a few houses down the road, where a couple of ladies do alterations in a well set up workshop. I'm getting them to sew the foot and luff, and sail batten pockets (which I made a wrinkly mess of on the first catamaran sail) . There is a special folded hemming? tape the lady showed me which looked ideal for those. Hopefully it will all come out nice and flat. UPDATED SAIL PICS

    Also worked out the sheet hauler pulley system which is similar to the last day-sailer yacht I built. Comes off the winch one side lower than the other, so the initial pulley for the top of the drum, is slightly higher than the lower drum side pulley. The line goes over that and under a guide at the bottom of the c/board case, and back around the 2 rear pulleys in a continuous loop, as per normal. The dropper idea gets the lines down near the floor and less obvious. A bit harder to do than a yacht where the lines are all internal and out of sight.

    The rear 2 pulleys are made from tuned down bungy tie down buttons used on utes or trailers, drilled out for a brass tube insert, and bolted to a ply plate with 3mm machine screws with nuts pressed and cyano'd into the bottom.

    Sail will need fitting when it's done, and cockpit needs painting before everything is screwed on permanently. Still have to figure out how I'm going to fit the battery.

    JB

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    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Ross, I've had it sewn just as a way of taking the load off the tape, as it's only 5mm from Temu. Tape adhesive does go hard after a few years and will just fall off eventually, so a bit of help should make it last longer. The sail is back from the seamstress (NZ $25) and she's made a nice job of the batten pockets. I've yet to fit it to the mast and finish the battens, but it should look good once all tensioned up. - Added sail pic to last post

    JB
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    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ RossM ( Captain)
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    JB

    If you are using RIPSTOP, 3M double back tape may be all you require. TOMARACK has told me that is all he needs for seaming the sails. I have put panel seams into my sails and they appear to be very strong, just using tape.

    I suspected you were using RIPSTOP when you stated that you were cutting the sailing with a soldering gun. I was waiting for your answer to Ron's question. I use a chisel point tip on a soldering pencil along a steel edge ruler. The heat sealed up the edges on the leech of the sail on the RG65. It's held up with no hemming
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    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Ron,- using rip stop nylon

    JB
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    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Ronald ( Fleet Admiral)
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    What are you using for
    โ€œsail clothโ€?
    ๐Ÿ“ New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Have poured the lead into the c/board mould and it came out well. I've filed the good side (wooden mould side) to a curved shape, and filed the top side flush with the aluminium center. I used a Surform file which I have found to be the best for lead, (a slightly used one is best as it won't grab). The filings and a few other bits will be used in the mould to make an identical side to be attached to the flat side, which will be filed to match the other side.

    I've also rigged the mast, and made a pair of turnbuckles for the side stays. They were made from 5mm aluminium rod, drilled and tapped for 3 x 30mm machine screws. The screw heads were peened flat and a 2mm hole drilled through them. One end of each the aluminium rod was carved with the tip of the lathe tool by turning the chuck by hand and making a knurled effect for grip.

    The top end of the rod was cross drilled 2mm, then cross cut at 90deg to the holes with a hacksaw. 2 small fishing swivels had one end loop peened flat on each to fit into the slots, then held in place with brass pins with soldered ends to keep them in place. Brass wire hooks were bent and soldered through the drilled screw heads for the chainplate ends.

    Mast had a center drilled dowel inserted in the bottom for a locating pin, which was cyano'd in.
    Stays were made from plastic coated stainless fishing trace, the trace was fed through a brass ferrule, through the attachments on the turnbuckles, back through the ferrules, adjusted and then crimped in place (leaving half the thread on the turnbuckles for final adjustment.)

    Brass chainplates were made, and screwed through the deck f/glass into the ply sub deck below. Sail template needs some adjustment, then I'll be having a look at making the sail. The template is pretty close to scale, so sailing is going to be 'interesting" !

    JB

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    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡บ stevedownunder ( Commodore)
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    Hi JB,
    You're making some great progress, I hope the centre board works as hoped.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi guys, thanks for the kind comments. Re crimps Chris, they are just pieces of 3mm copper tube, cut to length from some K&S precision metals (USA) stock, and crimped with Bonito pliers (for making fishing traces). The plastic coated stainless trace wire I used was able to be twisted and fused with heat, but crimping was easier.

    JB
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    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    As JB says, outstanding.

    Can you buy the crimps or did you make them?
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    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ jumpugly ( Admiral)
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    Absolutely outstanding workmanship JB!!! Love that lead work and respect all the effort you've put in to it! Looking forward to a video as I bet she sails like a champ!
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    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Deck has been painted now, and the walnut transom veneer epoxied on, stained and varnished. The winch has been fitted and the pocket it fits in has had all the foam surfaces (from cutting the pocket) epoxied to prevent any water getting in. Managed to get the ESC hidden in a side 'pocket, and the rudder servo mounted and working. A tunnel was bored through the foam between the rudder servo and the ESC, so as to keep the servo lead (fitted with a servo extender) out of sight and dry. Rudder servo will be waterproofed with Vaseline in the casing joints and round the output shaft, will also have a splash cover to keep anything major off it, and will be sealed into the cockpit side with some silicone. Self draining cockpit should let most of the water out.

    The side pocket for the ESC, has a waterproof cover which will be screwed on once everything is finally installed and set up, after the cockpit is painted. The glass covering the bottom of the c/board slot, has been cut out, with the balsa plug (previously fitted before glassing) doing its' job stopping any resin intruding into the case.

    The centerboard is something I've been working at,- thinking of ways to avoid having a large bulb, which would not suit a small c/board racing dinghy. Here's what I'm going to try as a way round it. If this works, it should end up with a slightly fat fin, rather than a big blob on the end. I'm only after good self righting from horizontal, but not a 'stick to the water upright' sort of weight, as the whole idea is for the boat to plane easily.

    Re c/board. -- milled out the aluminium centerboard last night for the lead infill. I bolted the 2 50mmx3mm halves together with 3mm drilled and tapped machine screws, and they will be clamped over the block which has the same profile routered out of it, then filled with lead (hopefully it won't pour out everywhere!) The block itself will have another lot of lead poured in after that, to make the other side of the c/board, well that's the theory !ย  If it looks good, it will be glassed and painted.

    At the same time as this, I've been knocking up a new improved beach trolley for my restored 11ft 70s vintage Cherokee racing dinghy, which is going on display with many other small yachts at our next Auckland Wooden Boat Festival in March, plus- putting a new roof on my bathroom,- so modeling progress is a bit slow at the moment. Hopefully pouring some lead today.

    JB

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    3 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hull's back to red paint now after the Zinsser coat which fixed the fisheyes. Added some mahogany trim to the rudder stock, and have now cut out the self draining slots in the transom, (i think it's going to need them) The foam between the cockpit ply and transom will need filling and coating round the inside of the drains. Still have the deck to paint (over the white resin) and a veneer to go on the transom (varnished). After that,- fittings. Decided to leave the rudder unpainted, looks ok as is I think.

    Rough weather slowing things down at the moment, heavy rain, landslides (unfortunately people missing,) slips everywhere, flooding etc . It's supposed to be summer !

    JB

    ๐Ÿ“ New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
    3 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    More sanding and fairing on the hull lately, (not so much the last week, as it's been raining non stop the whole week, (big storm, see todays' rain radar pic,- NZ's under there somewhere ๐Ÿ˜) - floods everywhere,- workshop downstairs has a tiny stream running through due to a retaining wall leak and water coming from underground,- happens whenever we get torrential persistent rain, eventually most drains out, then its mop time. Does no damage, just a nuisance. Just got my new bathroom roof on in time,- and no leaks,- good test though.

    Re-resin coated the hull and tried using red tinted resin as a final coat. Looked good from a distance, super shiny, but was a bit opaque over the previous white and for some reason had a number of small 'fish eyes' from some wax bleeding through. I'd super degreased it, but it still happened. Sanded that back and tried again,-scrubbed it with degreaser and isopropyl alcohol,- same thing, same spots !*%^

    Gave up, sanded it back and coated it with Zinsser stain blocker, which usually fixes most problems. Have to wait till the sun comes back to paint it with epoxy enamel.

    Just finished building the rudder, stock and gudgeon and pintle setup. Rudder laminated with 3 pieces of basswood, then glassed using polyester aircraft cloth. Another resin coat after that. Stock was from basswood, coated with resin. Will be painted eventually.

    Slowly progressing.

    JB

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: New Moth MKII semi scale yacht
    3 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง luckyduck ( Lieutenant)
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    That is one beautiful rudder blade and stock JB - I can remember the shape so well. You have also picked almost the same red as my Skol for the hull, it then had a pale blue deck? Colour idea for you?
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