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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats of Wroxham 'Fairwind 39', built 1930s and 40s
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ EdH ( Midshipman)
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Hi Michael. No, this is scratch built. The only kit I have built in many, many years is the RAF tender from my childhood that I worked on last year, and your blog was an inspiration and an enormous help with this. I enjoy the planning, research and figuring out the best method to use. With this project, Ron Wem got me interested in these classic river cruisers. I drew the plans from many photographs and from a photograph of a plan Ron had used for a similar boat. He has been a huge help. The construction method seems to be working well, as in this case, the chine and waterline have virtually the same plan except for the bow, which is only different for the first few inches. By cutting out a flat base at the waterline, in the shape of the chine lines, it was simple to fill in the hull sides above and below the chine, using the profile. I'm working on the bow now and will post when I get it done, but so far this method has worked fine. EdH
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Is this a currently available kit or plan?
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats of Wroxham 'Fairwind 39', built 1930s and 40s
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ EdH ( Midshipman)
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Ianh, that makes sense! They wouldnโt be so great in a sea! Edh
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats of Wroxham 'Fairwind 39', built 1930s and 40s
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi EdH,
You are off to a great start. I will be following this build. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats of Wroxham 'Fairwind 39', built 1930s and 40s
3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ Ianh ( Commander)
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Hi EdH,
They were used on the River Torridge, they weren't allowed out past the the Bideford Longbrige if my senile memory re calls. It's 60 Years ago๐ค๐ค ▲
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats of Wroxham 'Fairwind 39', built 1930s and 40s
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ EdH ( Midshipman)
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Ianh, could have been. They have a similar profile. I grew up on Tresco, Isles of Scilly and Iโm not sure Iโd want to take Maid Rosalind into any of those Cornish harbours! She was perfect for the Thames though!
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats of Wroxham 'Fairwind 39', built 1930s and 40s
3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ Ianh ( Commander)
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I am pretty sure that this design gave Les Rowell the idea for Sea Queen and see Commander. Used to see boats like this a Bideford in Cornwall
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats of Wroxham 'Fairwind 39', built 1930s and 40s
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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'Fairwind' - Lovely traditional Broads boat, I liked those varnished mahogany topsides. Should make a good model, a reminder of what cruisers used to be.
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats Fairwind - roughing out interior
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ EdH ( Midshipman)
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Hi Doug. In the past I have always glassed and painted a planked hull (and regular hulls) as you suggest, but the problem I have is these boats were almost always finished with a varnished hull and topsides (as was Rosalind), so I can't cover the glass with paint. I guess I will try to get the planks fitting as tightly as possible and then assess the situation! Thanks, Ed
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3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Ed,
Mike and I were referring to the use of auto lacquer on the deck planking only, as a final finish after they have been sealed. For sealing / strengthening the hull itself, especially if planked or even skinned with thin ply, I use Deluxe Materials EzeKote with glass-fibre tissue on the inside and about 3 coats of EzeKote resin on the outside, after filling any gaps or depressions with an auto polyester filler, such as P38 or I believe 'Bondo' in your neck of the woods. That gives strength and a good base for the primer and final colour coats. Since you have so much interior decoration (not a problem I normally have!) I think the lacquer would be a quick and simple solution. For the hull itself I would use the EzeKote resin. It is a water based one part resin, i.e. no hardener needed, which sets in about 20 to 30 minutes and doesn't stink out the house ๐ For a working boat she sure has a lot of nice panelling inside! Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats Fairwind - roughing out interior
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ EdH ( Midshipman)
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Doug, I'm going with lacquer inside and out but my big concern is using it on a planked hull which has to be watertight. I would normally fiberglass at least the inside as no matter how tight you get the planks there's always some leak, but that's not even possible as the planks are visible on the inside. This is a working river boat and doesn't have to have a mirror shine anywhere. What I particularly like about lacquer is the ability to add coats with little fuss, which will be helpful as I plan to paint the interior in overlapping sections at different times. Thanks for the support. Ed
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats Fairwind - roughing out interior
3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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"Finishing of the planking I would suggest automotive clear lacquer"
I heartily agree Mike๐ That's what I used on the decks of my Sea Scout restoration. Gives a real nice hard shine. I flatted off between coats with 3000 wet & dry with a drop of liquid soap. Final coat was then polished with auto fine cutting paste + anti hologram polish!! Details of materials used, and how, are in my Build Blog; Sea Scout 'Jessica' restoration. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats Fairwind - roughing out interior
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ EdH ( Midshipman)
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Hi Michael. If I can get away with lacquer, that would be my first choice. My problem is that unlike deck planking glued over solid wood, this is the hull topsides which will get wet and don't have a solid wood backing. However careful, it's hard to get every board fitting snuggly, especially when there's quite a curve involved. All but one of other hulls I've planked have been static models and the working one was painted so I glassed it. An additional problem is that the inside of the hull planking will be visible in parts, so I can't glass the inside. Depending on how well I think the planking turned out, I'm tempted to go the lacquer route!
Regarding the battery, there is more room than is evident in the photographs. A 5 1/2" LiPo fits and the 3S LiPos I use are smaller than that. It will go to one side of the motor, partially tucked under the bulkhead aft of the cockpit. There is actually also room above the opening as the cockpit floor will be level with the companionway openings. Ed ▲
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats Fairwind - roughing out interior
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Finishing of the planking I would suggest automotive clear lacquer I used it on my Crash Tender and on the Freeman 22 broads cruiser I gave the decks 5 coats with rubbing down in between. The key to a flat surface is to make sure its flat before you start lacquering.
If it last on cars I'm sure it will last on our occasionally used boats by comparison. PS where do the batteries fit? ▲
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats Fairwind - lighting, paneling, electronics, sinks
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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You have been very busy there Ed.
Nice work, keep it up. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Thanks for the link Ed๐ I'll be looking them up.
"I have a nasty habit of changing things!" That goes with the territory Ed, we ALL do that ๐ The lacquer shouldn't be a problem if you need to change something. Just check all connections for continuity with a multimeter set on Ohms with a beeper for continuity. Any problems just scrape off the lacquer with a scalpel blade. When all is OK and tightened down give it another quick blast of lacquer to seal it. WD40 is good but it stinks more and creeps around inside models ๐ค Bon chance mon ami๐ Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats Fairwind - lighting, paneling, electronics, sinks
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ EdH ( Midshipman)
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Doug, the LEDs came from
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats Fairwind - lighting, paneling, electronics, sinks
3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Egad Sah, thou art truly a glutton for panelling!๐
Some excellent 'how to' tips here as well ๐ Everything including the kitchen sink!! Will help me to finish off the cockpit of my Sea Scout properly (at long long last ๐) without the sink though. I like the sound of those Mega Chip LEDs, can you please post the link for where you bought 'em. I guess you'll also be fitting an RC switch for the pump / cistern for the head flushing ๐ or are they chemical heads?๐ฎ๐ Nice tidy electrics installation as well, appeals to my engineering instinct ๐ One word to the wise; I've had those screw terminal connectors corrode after a while in a damp atmosphere. A quick blast of WD40 or better a conformal coating type lacquer, as used on military radio gear etc, solves the problem. The lacquer also helps prevent/delay the screws working loose over time. So far so very good, watching with interest and looking forward to the sea trials. Any thoughts on the crew yet? Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats Fairwind - faucets/taps, cooker, floor
3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Why avoid it Ed?
I think it looks great as it is. Cutesville ๐ ๐ Seems almost poetic, or do I mean procreative?, making a cooker by baking in a cooker! ▲
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ EdH ( Midshipman)
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Thank you Doug. I see what you mean about the cooker. Wish I'd painted the handle a metal light grey instead of black, which would have helped avoid the smiling face! Ed
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats Fairwind - faucets/taps, cooker, floor
3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Brilliant work Ed ๐
The cooker looks very happy in his new home, wide eyed and a happy grin ๐ I've never seen so much detailed interior work in such a model before. (Possible exception; the 'ladies loo' in one of JB's boats!) Otherwise only in 'cut-a-ways', like Martin's U-Boat. Hat off Sir. She's gonna look glorious when all fettled up varnished and polished. Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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There's nowt like getting to grips with essentials Ed ๐ฎ
Good work ๐ Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats Fairwind - planking and decking
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ EdH ( Midshipman)
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Thanks JB. The cabin sides, cockpit and cabin roof will come off as a single unit, so the interior will look the way it does now. Ed
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ EdH ( Midshipman)
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Larry, I used a mixture of regular Minwax stains, but I let them really dry for several days before bending and glueing, and wiped the stain off very quickly after dipping. The glue was odorless thin CA (Iโm allergic to the regular type) and I aggressively pre-bent the curved sections to minimize the strain on the bulkheads. CA thin also runs well between the planks so the end result was surprisingly strong, even with the widely spaced bulkheads. I think regular wood glue would be more affected by the Linseed oil in the stain, than the CA thin. I've used this method on quite a few models and all have survived grandchild use! I did actually remove one of these planks that I didn't like the next morning and the joints were very strong, splitting the wood before the joint! Ed
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๐ฌ Re: 39' Windboats Fairwind - planking and decking
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Looking nice so far Ed, like the interior look,- are you going to be able to see everything with the cabin on.?
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ CaptLarry ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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What sort of stain did you use so that the glue would adhere on assembly? And type of glue....
Quite detailed.....very nice๐ ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Commodore Ron.
That is definitely a BLUE Print LOL!! Congratulations on your promotion. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Very nice work indeed Ed,
I really love all the detailed fittings. I can just imagine the comments you will be getting when after lockdown she is at pool side topless. (I know what i meant LOL!!) Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Looking real nice Ed๐๐
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๐ฌ Re: Maid Rosalind, the 1940 Thames cruiser
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ EdH ( Midshipman)
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Hi Doug. Nice hulls! Because the topsides were varnished and the planks had to be visible, I couldnโt use fiberglass cloth and I was worried about strength. The individual planks also were not as strong as a sheet of wood and as hard as one tries, itโs impossible to get them really tight. I therefore used three layers of epoxy resin, ending up with around 1/8โ thickness. I would suspect the West System epoxy is thicker than your epoxy. There therefore was no danger in attacking the hull(!), getting the inevitable mounds out by feel with the coarse stuff and later by sight as it started to shine. I wasnโt painting it so there was no really fine sandpaper between coats. I was very tempted to polish the epoxy with the gel coat compound I use to shine our real boat, instead of using lacquer (which wouldnโt have stuck to it). Wish I had now. Anyway Iโve ended up with an almost indestructible hull!
The Fein sander is indeed German. I destroyed the one Iโve had for over 20 years earlier this year, with one too many drops on the concrete floor and bought a new one. Itโs a real credit to the manufacturer that unlike every other tool, the replacement was just as solidly built as the 20 year old one and actually was better! They are the best! Ed ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Maid Rosalind, the 1940 Thames cruiser
3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Right on Nerys ๐
"We'd sing and dance forever and a day We'd live the life we choose We'd fight and never lose For we were young and sure to have our way" ๐๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Maid Rosalind, the 1940 Thames cruiser
3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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"Initial sanding was with a Fein sander and 40 grit paper (yes 40!), but a smooth epoxy finish can only really be achieved with days of hand sanding, finishing with 320 grit soaked in water! "
40 grit! ๐ฎ That sounds pretty violent Ed! "a smooth epoxy finish can only really be achieved with days of hand sanding" ... Agreed Ed, but ... With my Sea Scout, ELCO PTB and Danish fish cutter hulls I started with 180 grit and worked through to 3000 grit. 180/240 at the resin stage. I used Deluxe Materials EzeKote water based resin. 400, 600, 1000, 2000, 3000 between coats through the primer, colour coats and lacquer stages. Final finishing on the Sea Scout with auto polishing paste and then 'anti hologram' fine polishing paste. (Product details in my Sea Scout restoration and upgrade Blog). Like you say 'It takes days' ๐ค But it's worth it ๐ I'm sure it adds a knot or two to the boat's speed as well ๐ Cheers, Doug ๐ PS "Fein sander" A German product!? ๐ PPS Very pleased to see that you retained the Smiley cooker! ๐๐ ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Those were the days my friend, We thought they'd never end.
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3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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"cucumber sandwiches and lemonade"
Lemonade!! ๐ฎ Wot! No Muscadet or Sancerre! to wash down the sandwiches? ๐ฎ๐ค Or a Gordon's G&T for those who preferred the hard stuff ๐ Those were the days 'my friend we thought they'd never end' ... But I do believe that only Nerys amongst our most esteemed members actually experienced that decade, (I missed it by two years!), esp the first half!๐ค ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Maid Rosalind, the 1940 Thames cruiser
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ EdH ( Midshipman)
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Thames cruising in a nutshell Nerys! Those were indeed good days! Ed
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Beautifully detailed model, so many of us ignore the model below decks. I like the varnished topsides definitely dates her to the days of classic Thames cruising, picnics on the bank, gramophones, cucumber sandwiches and lemonade. Those were the days.
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3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Amazing stuff Ed ๐
I see you even thought of the Christmas stockings, GIANT size, very good ๐ When's the big trials day!?๐ Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Ed,
excellent work. I would not of thought about using clay in that way. I like the way you are using different mediums in this project. Martin555. ▲
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