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    S38 Schnellboot by Italeri 1/35 Scale
    by Spock66 ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    ๐Ÿ“ Finally - the paint is coming!
    23 days ago by Spock66 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Just had email, paint has shipped on 24 courier.

    Hopefully, make a good start very soon then.

    Oh, just an aside - and I know I'm crazy, but - - -

    The dimensions of the torpedoes set me thinking (all about bang etc). Turns out a 7.62mm blank shell (ยฃ8.00 for 50) would nicely take the place of the torpedo warhead area and with a metal 'firing pin and brace' made up in the main torpedo body, it might just give a great bang and flash, above all its totally legal. I'm going to model the torpedoes before installation in case the blank is too powerful, leading to unintended destruction!

    Andy
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Finally - the paint is coming!
    5 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Andy,
    you are doing a great job.
    I like all the plans you have for this boat.

    I am not sure about how far the gun rotated bu on my Mine-hunter i made the main gun servo rotate 360 and with the aid of two microswitches as limit switches i made it rotate from from the port bridge wing all the way round to the starboard bridge wing.
    I have put the link to my build log here just incase you wanter to see it in operation.

    You will have to scroll down a bit to fined it.

    Martin555.

    https://model-boats.com/blogs/52285
    https://model-boats.com/blogs/52285
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    ๐Ÿ“ Luck or fate? - It fits!
    30 days ago by Spock66 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi All,

    As I said this will be out of order of instructions in places, I have to make things fit and wire a loom around the hull as I go.

    No.1 - Took Part 7G (page11) and trial fitted in Forward Deck (Part 5C) - great fit, terrible ejector marks inside on 'wooden' floor. Oh well, the coffee stirrers will be used for a new floor!

    No.2 - Took a standard, cheap, 9G servo (as low as ยฃ11.00 for 20 online!), mocked it to base of part 7G and tried in the hull - Loads of room underneath assembly. Removed mock up and measured diameter of hole in driven gear of servo - it's 1.7mm (arrowed). Measured stub on shaft of part 70E (page54) - it varies between 1.8 to 2.0mm (arrowed and it ain't round!!), which means with a bit of thinning of the base that would fit over the floor of the Gun 'tub' and a tiny piece of silver wire drilled and threaded between the stub of 70E and a drop of epoxy in the servo hole, we'll be good to go.

    Couple of questions if anyone can help please?

    In larger ships, you couldn't rotate a for'ard gun to fire backwards at the forecastle (now there is a surprise!). On the S38, I can't work out if the weapon could rotate 360 degrees or was a 180 to 180 sweep. Depending on thoughts I can leave the servo as fixed limits and sweep via an Arduino Nano, or remove the stop in the top gear, centre the wiper pickup and make it constant rotation - Rotary switch A on my TX will adjust rotation so that seaman isn't doing a camel spin!
    Any thoughts?

    Secondly, The only pictures I have are black and white - like me very old!, the kit calls up 'white' as the gun frames colour. Well I can weather them white or use a different colour altogether if any member knows better than me (and that can't be hard!)

    Cheers Andy
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Luck or fate? - It fits!
    30 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Very glad to help Andy,
    especially in a 'bin there dun that' (and spilt paint on me T shirt๐Ÿ˜) case.
    You're right about the price, esp compared to Colour Coats;
    Lifecolor 22ml for 3 quid, CC 14ml for 2,50!
    And the Lifecolor thinners comes outa da tap ๐Ÿ˜€
    Good luck to Amy with the guard rails, good for her ๐Ÿ‘
    Make up a little wooden jig to hold the bits in place for soldering.
    Check out the Pilot Boat and Lifeboat Blogs on here; there's some guys who are masterful at making railings. robbob, mturpin, Graham93 and Skydive130 to name but a few of the best.
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Luck or fate? - It fits!
    30 days ago by Spock66 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Doug - You are a star!

    Many thanks, indeed in this kit the hand rail would stop lower depressions (or greater depression for the crew mates!). Will remake it in copper wire, there's nothing really wrong with the kit version, but Amy's learning soldering up hand rails so it's great practice.

    As to the paints, I am indebted. As you say, the DKM Hellgrau seems ideal so will be ordering the Lifecolor Kreigsmarine Set 1 in the morning and at ยฃ17.99 it seems a steal.

    Many thanks

    Andy
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Luck or fate? - It fits!
    30 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Andy,
    To your questions;
    #1: Since the guns on an S Boot were primarily for air defence I believe that they could rotate full circle.
    However!! To prevent them destroying their own upper-works, never mind shooting the crew ๐Ÿค•๐Ÿ˜ญ, there were guard rails fitted to limit the depression over an arc covering the superstructure. I just checked in my Revell 1/72 kit and the guards are supplied.
    Apropos my Revell kit ...
    Question #2: For the gun mounts Revell specify a 50/50 mix of DKM Mittelgrau (Medium Grey) and White. Which sounds to me like the DKM Hellgrau - Light Grey.

    I often use LifeColor acrylic paints for warships as they are very true to the original.
    Here are a couple of links to sources of the LifeColor DKM paint sets in UK.
    #1 Basic surface ship colours,
    https://mm1models.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path...
    #2 DKM Camo colours, in case you want to get fancy! ๐Ÿ˜‰
    https://www.airbrush-fengda.co.uk/en_US/p/Camouflage-Set-Lif...
    The Lifecolor paints are water based and come in 22ml bottles; 6 in each set.
    And a general search link for DKM basic colours.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=LifeColor+German+WWII+Kriegs...

    Or if you prefer enamel paints; Sovereign Hobbies does an excellent range of authentic naval colours. Based on original WW2 Paint Chips.
    https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/collections/kriegsmarine-...
    No sets though, only individual 14ml tins, like Humbrol do.
    But they do have Schnellbootweiss!
    https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/collections/kriegsmarine-...

    Have fun.
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    https://mm1models.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=67_174&product_id=142
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    ๐Ÿ“ More Detail!
    1 month ago by Spock66 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    After carefully checking the 56 page instruction book, I am going to put the two crewmen on a clear platform (simulating their positions better) to rotate with the rear gun mount.

    The Radio antenna will make a slow 90 - 90 degree sweep as if searching for triangulation of radio transmissions.

    I might be way over the top and launch the depth charges tied to monofilament( cos I don't want to lose them!) and tie any launching to a safety cut-out on the props to prevent fouling until they are retrieved.

    There also seems to be enough room to servo the main searchlight for a sweep across the sea search.

    Maybe the engine room hatches need to be openable.

    Let's get building!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: More Detail!
    1 month ago by Spock66 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi Bill,

    Yes, I do remember and I also remember the envy I felt at your incredible work! (Is that envy or just awe of a great builder?)

    Any photos would be very gratefully received, I've looked on line and the details for the S38 seem limited to wartime images (obvious really!), but nothing like the great 'Flower class' book I bought that had all the dimensions and details I could have wished for.

    Take care Andy
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: More Detail!
    1 month ago by Scratchbuilder ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Andy.
    I hope you are well.
    If you recall we chatted about 10 months ago re Flower Class Corvettes.
    If you check your Private messages you can refresh your memory.
    We also spoke about the Schnellboat of which I have built one.
    I do have many pictures and am more than happy to send them onto you if you wish.
    Some are shown in my boat harbour if you have a look.
    Happy to help if you wish.
    Good luck with the build.
    Regards Bill.
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    ๐Ÿ“ S38 Schnellboot by Italeri 1/35 Scale
    1 month ago by Spock66 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi All,

    I.C. Crips here!
    This will be a fairly long build for me, but I'm looking forward to this immensely.

    This isn't a new release, it's been around for a while. the inclusion of some nicely done Photo Etch parts will help somewhat - although I like making my own metal parts. Italeri have produced this kit in 1/35 scale and its a monster! Checking the very well packaged parts, there is little or no flash to be found and plenty of size to make many improvements in detail to a fine kit.

    The total cost so far, including the 5607 kit from the Netherlands is around ยฃ200. I have the RC tx and rx, many LEDS, electrical components and a ton of paints (italeri to other makes has been done where possible).
    I'll need to buy 10 cheap simple servos at about ยฃ17.00 and 4 good quality servos at about ยฃ50.00. My ESC will need upgrading (about ยฃ40.00), will still use NiMh or lead acid - I like old, simple to recharge via plug in port hidden is deck locker. No worries about Lipo fires etc. I'm still a 'brushed' man and I reckon on 3 * MFA 380's might be ok. Motors, shafts, mounts etc and general electrics I reckon will add another ยฃ40 - ยฃ60. We'll see how close I am!

    Painting is nearly all by airbrush - I can only use a tiny hand style brush for crew faces etc, in my mouth and it takes a lot of concentration to hold it and paint!

    From the Photos you'll see the Bow, midships and stern sections. I've temporarily assembled them to check for any serious warping, or joining problems. Happy to report, apart from some sprue ends on the areas along the top of the hulls, there are no issues with fit.

    The only 'serious' omission from Italeri is I have no 2.3*4.5 screws that will fit into keel to join the halves together. Main screws for hull top - all present and correct. Only other screws found are 6 * 2.3*6.5 and no spares either! Luckily, like most of us, it's not a problem to raid the hoarded supplies and find some. Shame really Italeri must ensure QC is carried out on all the kit parts.

    Taking things as I will have to do them, some of you might spot the motor placed inside a torpedo half. This motor, from a ยฃ2.99 eyebrow trimmer, is perfect for what I plan for the torpedoes. Each weapon will be launchable via a spring system. Door opens, motor spun up and spring released. Each torpedo will have monofilament to keep it tethered to ship. After some great advice from the Portsmouth Model Ship guys, I'm not allowed to use explosives to simulate the torpedo hitting a target. But, after a long search of rules applying, I can use the 'throwing bangs' from the likes of Amazon - I've bought 500 for ยฃ3.75. These will be in the warhead section and by modifying the torpedo body will be replaceable within a waterproof warhead section.

    I'm hoping to use the nimble fingers of my daughter, Amy, to solder the motor wires, include a 1.5v AAA rechargeable and, as my brain is still working on a couple of cylinders, I'm going to try to use a tiny PCB and have some form of steering and motor cut out. Hell and that's just the torpedo.

    The first build part will be the Forward Bofors weapon. I'm going to adapt the crewman from the 5607 kit and cross drill a pin through his shoulders to give simulated arm movements, via a servo that will also raise and depress the weapon. Another servo will be used for slewing control.

    Obviously I'm going for RC conversion. Not sure about the Lurssen effect rudders yet (might be easier for me to have outer two rudders moving conventionally - we'll see how much hand control deteriorates during the build), but will move as many features as possible, give her correct lights (I fancy a high power LED for the searchlight). I'll use Arduino and Nanos' to control the lighting, anchor windlass, searchlight rotation, Bofors sweeping etc. That way I can assign a lot of the 6ch RC I've got to operating sound effects, rudder, Throttle - leaving very little for these crippy hands to try and do.

    Amy will help as much as she can with the very small fiddly bits, masking up for paint etc. I've had to be realistic with what is still possible for me to do, but I reckon I can do 70 - 75% still under my own steam.

    Hope you like the build as it progresses.

    Andy
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: S38 Schnellboot by Italeri 1/35 Scale
    28 days ago by Griss ( Master Seaman)
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    Doug any reading on brushless motors you would recommend suitable for S38 Italiari.Thanks Griss.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: S38 Schnellboot by Italeri 1/35 Scale
    1 month ago by Spock66 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi Doug,

    Whoa there!

    I contacted the secretary of the Porstmouth Model Boat club and asked the same question i.e. Black Powder. They answered politely and promptly that unless you have a home office licence for Black Powder (you may have one), then it is liable to get an arrest carried out under the laws regarding explosives i.e. Terrorism offences!

    That put me off rather a lot, I don't think Her Majesty's Home Office will consider a one armed, electric motorised guy would be a safe candidate for an explosives licence!

    So we'll see how the thunder flashes work in reality (might give a reasonable effect?).

    All the best Andy
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    1 month ago by Spock66 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi Doug,

    Much appreciated - 385's sound like a much better idea. I like the idea of sitting her on Newquay lake and watching the wake go by and an extreme scale rate of knots!

    Cheers Andy
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: S38 Schnellboot by Italeri 1/35 Scale
    1 month ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    BTW Andy,
    "3 * MFA 380's might be ok."
    If I were you I'd go for the 385s.
    They are the 5 pole version of the 380 and give much smoother starts and more torque to get a heavy boat started. Which with all your special effects I suspect it might be!๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    Two 385s on 12V (2 x 6v SLA) in my 107cm Type 1A U Boat make most RTR so called 'Speed boats' look very silly ๐Ÿ˜
    Will be watching your progress with very great interest.
    Can't wait for the Sea and Weapons Trials!!!!
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: S38 Schnellboot by Italeri 1/35 Scale
    1 month ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Man! You've sure got a full menu there Andy!
    More power to your elbow ๐Ÿ‘
    I'll be following your blog with especially interest-
    A) Cos I have two 1/72 plastic kits (Airfix and Revell) of S / E Boats of slightly different types, which I also want to convert to RC,
    B) Cos I've been contemplating similar torpedo and depth charge launching systems on my 1/72 destroyer (1.35m).
    Have been contemplating experimenting with black powder for the D/C throwers ๐Ÿ’ฅ!
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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