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    Veronica - Thames Sailing Barge
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    ๐Ÿ“ Veronica - Thames Sailing Barge
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Jerry 001 ( Master Seaman)
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    Hi
    Weโ€™re scratch building the boat with plans from Sarik. Sheโ€™s 1/24th scale and the original was owned by the company I first went to sea with.

    We started at the end of April (2021) an do about 8 to 10 hours a week on her.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica - Thames Sailing Barge
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Jerry looks good.
    Rick
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica - Thames Sailing Barge
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Scratchbuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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    Nice looking set up.
    Keep the posts coming.
    Regards Bill.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica - Thames Sailing Barge
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Coming along nicely.
    Keep up the good work.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Planking
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Jerry 001 ( Master Seaman)
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    The planking has begun. Slow but steady!

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Planking
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Scratchbuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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    Jerry.
    Starting to take shape.
    Looking forward to more progress.
    Regards Bill.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Planking
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Jerry taking your time planking is the way to go.
    Rick
    ๐Ÿ“ Still planking herโ€ฆโ€ฆ..
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Jerry 001 ( Master Seaman)
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    Slow and steady. Not long until the exterior of the hull will be ready for filling, sanding and priming. ๐Ÿ˜€

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Still planking herโ€ฆโ€ฆ..
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Even from a partly planked model, you can see why the real Veronica was such a fast barge. Good fine entry and a lovely run on her.

    Cheers, Nerys
    ๐Ÿ“ Veronica
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Jerry 001 ( Master Seaman)
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    So we have finished planking the hull filling the gaps (with car body filler), sanding down and itโ€™s just had a second coat of primer.

    Does anyone know where I can buy a lead torpedo keel weight. Really donโ€™t fancy making one myself ๐Ÿ˜ฑ

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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    Do you have any shooting galleries in your area where they use shot guns firing at clay pigeons? If so, they will have used shot which you will be able to buy by the lbs.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I have bought small lead pellets, on Ebay, by so many Kg, which I put into small plastic bags containing 100gms and use them as ballast, easily squashed into the hull and easy to balance the hull because they will fit in almost anywhere. Builders merchants also sell rolls of sheet lead for flashing on roofs. I have bought it about 9" wide and a few yards long, can't remember now, about ยฃ25. You can cut that to size to fit in the bottom of a barge or other craft. I've used both for ballast, but if your lead bulb is heavy enough you are unlikely to need any extra ballast, unless it is for fore and aft trim.

    Cheers, Nerys
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง mistyoptic ( Midshipman)
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    Try Fishing weights on E bay, sold in ingots

    Geoff
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I don't think the dragonforce bulb and keel would be heavy enough for a 42" Veronica. The DF65 is only about 26" long and has a much smaller sail area.

    Nerys
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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    Try the Dragon Force DF65 keel and bulb.
    https://www.tmrcboatyard.com/product/jos880502-df65-keel-w-bolts/
    https://www.tmrcboatyard.com/product/jos880504-df65-ballast-550g/
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Jerry, I am told that P J Sails make a lead bulb. It is intended for a Marblehead and weighs 3.6 Kg so could be suitable for your Veronica.

    Cheers, Nerys












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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I should have said, Jerry, that the keels from Mastman are the least trouble. They just bolt on through the barge's bottom, with two bolts. The bulb and fin, I built a box inside the barge, cutting a slot in the barge's bottom, had about three inches of the fin inside the box and a couple of bolts going through box and fin to hold it in. On a recent Dutch barge, I built a weighted fin keel. It was really a narrow box, about three inches by 3/4 filled with lead shot. a solid piece of wood at the top and bottom. Through the top one, I put two bolts then drilled two holes in the barge's bottom to take the bolts in the keel. Hope you can understand what I mean.

    Cheers, Nerys
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Jerry 001 ( Master Seaman)
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    @Nerys

    Thatโ€™s great help. Thank you very much.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    She's looking great Jerry. Think you are making a really nice job of her. As far as a keel for her is concerned, Mastman make two different fibreglass keels that you fill with lead shot specifically for 42" Thames Barges. One is a straightforward shortish fin with a bulb and the other is described as a duck's foot. I used the duck's foot on my 42" barge. Alternately for a 30" barge I bought a fin and keel for a RTR yacht and that was alright despite being a little light, but I added a bit of internal ballast. Joysway, for instance do various ballast keels for their RTR yachts and are available as spares. A lot of people cast their own lead bulbs of course, That's probably quite easy once you've done it!

    Cheers, Nerys
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Looking very nice so far Jerry.

    JB
    ๐Ÿ“ Veronica / Mastman
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Jerry 001 ( Master Seaman)
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    Afternoon all. A quick update on our modelโ€™s progress. The RC gear has been fitted and the decking is going on. The Masts, Spas and bowsprit have been turned up.

    Can anyone let me know if Mastman is still in business as I am struggling to get hold of him?

    Thanks

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica / Mastman
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Jerry, How's Veronica coming along,haven't heard for a while and are wondering if you have overcome the bulb keel problem.. I had a moulding of one from the new Mastman a few weeks ago, ยฃ25. Have partly filled it with resin and lead pellets, but ran out of resin so it is not finished yet. The bolt for attaching to the hull is in, so as soon as we can do the rest of the resin, we'll be ready to try on. Is Veronica finished otherwise? a couple of pictureswould be good.

    Cheers, Nerys
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica / Mastman
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Jerry,
    The original Mastman sold out to Kevin Tinklin a little while ago, and his email is ktinklin1592@yahoo.com

    Nerys
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica / Mastman
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Jerry 001 ( Master Seaman)
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    Hi. Thanks for the guidance. Iโ€™ll try that again.

    I havenโ€™t been to Laytham yet. Itโ€™s very close to me, but this is a first attempt at a modelโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆ.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica / Mastman
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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    Hi Jerry just Google Mastman Veronica.
    By chance do you sail at YMB Laytham
    ๐Ÿ“ Veronica update
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Jerry 001 ( Master Seaman)
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    She is coming along. The bulwarks have been made and will soon be fitted. The masts, spars and sprits have been turned and we should be getting some bits and pieces from the โ€˜newโ€™ Mastman very soon. Including the keel ๐Ÿ˜€
    The photos were taken last night.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica update
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Jerry, Would be nice if we could meet up and compare barges, but we do live a long way from each other. Nevertheless I think you are making a grand job of her particularly as she's your first boat. Thames Barges are my 'thing', models and the real thing. I skippered them under both sail, and power in the days when they carried cargo, so if I can help you in any way, please ask. I'm only too pleased to help.
    I shall continue to keep a weather eye on your posts.

    All the best, Nerys
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica update
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Jerry 001 ( Master Seaman)
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    No plans to race, just want to enjoy sailing her. But would love to meet up ๐Ÿ˜€
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica update
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Jerry 001 ( Master Seaman)
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    Thank you very much. I canโ€™t / wonโ€™t take all the credit for this. I am building the model with my neighbour. Itโ€™s his first model too, but he is a keen amateur worker of wood ๐Ÿ˜€
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica update
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Jerry,
    I read in you log comment that this is your first model.

    Well looking at the photos you are doing a fantastic job.
    I will be keeping my eye in this build.
    Keep it up.

    Martin555.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica update
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Do we have thoughts of racing potential then? The real Veronica looked magnificent in her big racing rig as was Everard's other racing machine Sara. I could never reconcile myself to the big Bermudan mizzens but I suppose they needed something to balance the big headsails both sported. Their main rival was the London and Rochester Trading Co's Sirdar who carried a more conventional racing rig, but had such refinements as rocking leeboards and thereby hangs a tale. The MD of LRTC owned a class racing dinghy, a National 18 and about that time they introduced a rocking centre board that was supposed to skew the boat up to windward. The idea was that the rocking leeboards would have the same effect on Sirdar and she would sail closer to the wind when close-hauled than her rivals. As it happens, I purchased a 'nearly finished' model of Sirdar, built for racing, recently. Perhaps we can get together and re-enact some of the mighty battles from the last days of commercial barge racing.

    Cheers, Nerys
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica update
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Jerry 001 ( Master Seaman)
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    Weโ€™re going for the โ€˜big rigโ€™ - as much canvas as I can get on her ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Veronica update
    3 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I like what I see, she's coming on well, Bulwarks look fine. Are you building her as the working coasting barge version or the full racing rig complete with Bermudan mizzen or something in between? Glad you managed to find the new Mastman eventually. He is the only place where you will get a lot of barge fittings, like the leeboard and main brail winches, and dozens of other things.

    Cheers, Nerys
    ๐Ÿ“ Maiden voyage
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Jerry 001 ( Master Seaman)
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    It works ๐Ÿ˜€

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Maiden voyage
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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    Well done. The sailing barge is probably one of the more challenging builds considering the volume of sail carried, the shallowness of the hull and long narrow hull without the keel design of a sailboat. Yes, most use a removable ballast but knowing itโ€™s depth and weight is critical to a fine sailing barge. Neyrs knew this challenge and did it well.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Maiden voyage
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Jerry 001 ( Master Seaman)
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    Some โ€˜tweekingโ€™ to be done but the signs are goodโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆ
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    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง flaxbybuck ( Captain)
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    Well done Jerry. A lovely job, and a beautiful looking craft. I hope she sails as well as she looks.๐Ÿ˜‰
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Maiden voyage
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ช hermank ( Captain)
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    Sailing is the most beautifull thing in life๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Maiden voyage
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง luckyduck ( Midshipman)
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    Superb, well done


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