29" Double Horse 7007 Flying Fish

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29" Double Horse 7007 Flying Fish

Hi Shipmates,

The Polycarbonate Hull
the only part I will use.

The rest will be scraped
(Equipped with Twin 380 Motors Vector-push design for easy control
Radio Controller with antenna Wall Battery Charger 7.2v NiCD 1800 mAh NiCD Rechargeable battery Extra Pair of Propellers English Manual
Length: 32 Inches Battery Type: 7.2V 1800 mAh Transmitter: 3 Channel Motor Type: Twin 380 Charger: Supplied
Skill Level: Beginner / All Levels Speed: 20 - 25 mph+ Battery Requirements: Vehicle: 7.2V 1800 mAh NiCd Rechargeable Battery (Included) Transmitter😊

I have stripped out all hardware, filled holes in the transom and affixed polystyrene to the hatch / cabin to make it buoyant, so it will not sink if it falls in the water.

Regards
Roy
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CB90 #2 of 11

29" Double Horse 7007 Flying Fish

Hi shipmates,

The Hull is a well designed double stepped hull made of Polycarbonate (The same stuff they made crash helmets from).

Have reinforced the transom with some epoxy resin.
Added insulating foam for pipes into the rounded part of the hull.
Added some hardware to the transom.

Motors are on order, gave myself a choice of two
A 3670 1900kv or a 4074 1550kv the latter may be better in theory.

Regards Roy
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  1. BOATSHED
    Captain
    I don't know if you can still get then, but I bought from B&M some what they were selling called swimming snake's I think. They were in the children's toy isles. They were like those polystyrene lagging tubes but not hollow. Also came in different colours. they were a lot longer than those grey lagging pipe ones and would go all the way down the side of the boat.
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CB90 #3 of 11

29" Double Horse 7007 Flying Fish

Hi Shipmates,
After a few too many bad experiences with expanding foam I though of a less dangerous way to stop my boat sinking (experimental).

Basically it is polystyrene balls and acrylic paint (white) mixed together so the balls are covered and stick together (patient pending) joke.

Thus will follow the rough shape of the hull, but will take some time to dry.

Regards Roy
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  1. AlessandroSPQR
    Fleet Admiral
    Hi Roy, this system seems better and safer to me than expanded foam, even if by now you understood what the risks were and how to manage it.
    I hope that the glue you used for the balls is not too heavy otherwise it will greatly limit the floating effect.
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  2. AlessandroSPQR
    Fleet Admiral
    Hi Roy, allow me to tell you my opinion.

    To guarantee a buoyancy reserve it is not essential that the spheres are glued together.
    The important thing is that, in the event of a leak in the hull (or in any case if water is entering the hold) they remain in position to carry out their task.
    To do this, they just need to be placed in a closed compartment.
    However, in the event of flooding, even if the spheres cannot leave the boat, water will seep in between them.
    Geometrically the spheres do not have a total occupation of the volume and the space between them is quite conspicuous.
    To understand this, look at the images.
    In the second and third attached images a parallelepiped measuring 36 x 24 x 24 mm is represented.
    So its total volume will be 20736 mm3.
    Let's take into consideration spheres with a radius of 3 mm (diameter 6 mm).
    A maximum of 96 spheres of this diameter can fit inside this parallelepiped.
    A sphere with a diameter of 6 mm has a volume of approximately 113.1 mm3.
    Therefore the volume occupied by all the spheres will be 10858 mm3.
    Well if you make a proportion between the volume of the parallelepiped and the total of the spheres you will realize that this is approximately 52.36%.
    Logically this proportion is always the same, whatever the number of balls taken into consideration and whatever their diameter.
    This means that if water gets between the spheres or if the glue you use is heavier or slightly lighter than the water, you will have reduced (almost halved) the floating effect of the spheres.

    In fact I prefer light material but not in spheres. Compact, square shapes that I can cut out. They will fill all the spaces (not leaving them available for water) and will be stuck together without the need for glue.
    In any case, if you still want to use the spheres, you could put them in various hermetically sealed bags.
    I don't know if I managed to explain myself well with the translation.
    I hope so.
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CB90 #4 of 11

29" Double Horse 7007 Flying Fish

Hi Shipmates,

Received the motor today!
It is a 4074 at 1550kv with water cooling jacket, picture to compare to a 3660 at 3800kv.

Regards Roy
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CB90 #5 of 11

29" Double Horse 7007 Flying Fish

Hi Shipmates,

RECAP
After a few too many bad experiences with expanding foam I though of a less dangerous way to stop my boat sinking (experimental).

Basically it is polystyrene balls and acrylic paint (white) mixed together so the balls are covered and stick together (patient pending) joke.

Thus will follow the rough shape of the hull, but will take some time to dry.

UPDATE
Unfortunately after a few days the stuff was only dry on the exposed surface.
So I had to remove it all by hand and wash out the interior of the boat before refilling with dry polystyrene balls and fitting a solid polystyrene bulkhead, which appears to have worked ok.

Regards Roy
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  1. River Rat
    Captain
    I think I read an article on this site where the person uses outdoor wood glue and tiny foam balls for flotation. The glue waterproofed the foam and held it in place. I just couldn't find the article.
    RR.
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CB90 #6 of 11

29" Double Horse 7007 Flying Fish

Hi shipmates,

Today I received my stinger by post, after a lot of cutting and filing I got it to fit and made it adjustable up 1 degree and down 2 degrees.

I have cut down the rudder as a bit too deep.

I've fitted the motor and had a bit of luck with that by changing the mount to a narrower based one I am able to fit it snuggly between two of the spray rails.

I have just epoxied the bent shaft into position.

Regards Roy
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CB90 #7 of 11

29" Double Horse 7007 Flying Fish

Hi Shipmates,

I add some epoxy resin under the motor after making some small dams to keep it in place.

Add a small strengthing bar across the front and rear of the motor

Added a battery rack to port stern, to counter prop torque, and keep the COG towards the stern.

Motor specs.
no load 1.8A
Max voltage 38v
Max current 73A
Max power 2800w

but will only run on 4s

Regards Roy
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  1. Len1
    Lieutenant Commander
    nice motor mount. Do you have any issues when using a cable propeller shaft when you run it in reverse. Does the cable start to unwind because it is turning in the opposite direction it was wound when manufactured? Len
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  2. CB90
    Captain
    Hi Len1,

    It is possible that a cable can be damaged if put in reverse at full power, but this has not happen to me personally.
    I never use full power in reverse on a cable drive, some ESCs are set up to limit reverse power to about 50 percent, but not all do.

    one of the main problems with cable drives is corrosion due to poor lubrication and/or use in sea water.

    Regards Roy
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CB90 #8 of 11

29" Double Horse 7007 Flying Fish

Hi Shipmates,

Added water cooling, servo and water outlets. a bit of soldering for the ESC (125A 6S ) setup a Radio and receiver and a test in the test tank No1 (the bath).

Test
Fail No1, Forgot to do up grub screw on the dog drive so prop moved up the shaft a bit, easy fix.

Fail No2, I've had this before on boats with a low level prop-shaft that is below the water line, yes water slowly ingresses up the shaft, especially when not in motion.

Cures,
a) Add grease between outer metal tube and the liner as there is a small gap between them.
b) Grease the flexi-shaft, but normally a thin oil is used.
c) The most invasive is to build a grease box around the shaft end in the boat, and fill it with grease as last resort.

Regards
Roy
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  1. BOATSHED
    Captain
    I have an old bath at the bottom of the garden for boat testing, I put that there as when I used to test my boats with IC engines it didn't stink the house out being near the back door. Not like my dad when I was a kid starting and running a ED Hunter 3.46 cc in our bathroom. My mum didn't even say a word. ut after 15 minutes he stopped it as even with the small window that we had in there it was full of exhaust smoke and fumes. That was a one off, after that it was only ever run on the pond or with a gravity fed cooling water pipe in the garden
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CB90 #9 of 11

29" Double Horse 7007 Flying Fish

Hi Shipmates,

Re Hi Roy, it seems like a very valuable electrical setup, especially the motor and the ESC (they are very expensive I imagine).
The brushless motor has remarkable performance.
Can you attach some photos of the propeller area and the point where the water enters?

The motor cost £56 including water jacket, the ESC has been modified by myself to add water cooling it is a dual direction 125A cost £31.

I only oiled the shaft but I need to disassemble and add a heavier grease to parts of the assembly, to prevent water ingress.

Please note that there is meant to be a gap between the prop and the end of the stinger of about 1mm, this is to allow for shrinkage of the flexi-shaft when under load.

Regards Roy
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  1. BOATSHED
    Captain
    I would use silicone grease on the shaft, but that is just my opinion. As that's what i use on my boats. Silicone grease is a water resistant one. But to each his own we all have different opinions. I stopped using other greases as I found they tended to gum up and then solidify.
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  2. AlessandroSPQR
    Fleet Admiral
    Hi Roy, thanks for the reply.

    Yes, indeed the motor and ESC are expensive but they are worth the expense.

    Thanks for sending me the detail photos of the propeller and the rear parts.
    I asked you to see if a method that I tried to keep water out was possible (in addition to using grease).
    However, it is not applicable in your case.
    Basically it consists of this, I model a small gasket using silicone (silicone glue). It's not easy to explain just in words (a drawing would be needed).
    The silicone sticks to the fixed tube and adheres to the propeller shaft without sticking to it.
    To prevent the silicone from sticking to the propeller shaft, you need to sprinkle it with soap (dish soap is fine).
    With your soapy finger you can shape the silicone.
    Once dry it will not stop the axle from turning but it will be tight enough to prevent water from entering.
    After some navigation this gasket must be replaced.
    It should be considered more disposable (single use) than fixed.

    This method is not a replacement but an addition. However it worked very well for me.
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CB90 #10 of 11

29" Double Horse 7007 Flying Fish

Hi Shipmates,

After second trial run, still leaks. so have added a grease bucket (not shown). but see above post.
Also I found it was turning too quick, no control, I guessed this was lack of turn fins, so have fitted a couple of carbon fibre and red anodised fins. see pics
Have not tested them out, that will be on my next visit!

Regards Roy
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