1854 'Clipper' Tayleur Build.

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1854 'Clipper' Tayleur Build.

RMS Tayluer etching
RMS Tayluer 'on-the-rocks' painting
Newspaper advert promoting the voyage.
Salvage Sale notice in the nwspaper.
Extract of research on the disaster.
Photograph of the shipwreck site.
Current day memorial of the event.
Hi all,

A new day, new information and... and new project.

Planning to assemble a large scale wooden, or mixed media, replica of the RMS Tayluer which, on her maiden voyage, shipwrecked in 1854 with a loss of around 400 souls.

Tragic, and, this one is personal.

Any suggestions on a starting point, etc. etc. greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Murray.
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Avoca #2 of 18 43

Extract from an article summarising the events on and leading-up to the night of the shipwreck.

For those interested, this short extract from a media story provides chilling insights into a tragic event.

+"... Tayleur left Liverpool on 19 January 1854, on her maiden voyage, for Melbourne, Australia, with a
complement of 652 passengers and crew. She was commanded by 29-year-old Captain John Noble.

During the inquiry, it was determined that her crew of 71 had only 37 trained seamen amongst
them, and of these, 10 could not speak English. It was reported in newspaper accounts that many of the crew
were seeking free passage to Australia. Most of the crew were able to survive.

Her compasses did not work properly because of the Iron Hull. The crew believed that they were sailing
south through the Irish Sea, but were actually travelling west towards Ireland. On 21 January 1854, within 48
hours of sailing, Tayleur found herself in a fog and a storm, heading straight for the isle of Lambay. The
rudder was undersized for her tonnage, so that she was unable to tack around the island.

The rigging was also faulty; the ropes had not been properly stretched, so that they became slack, making it nearly impossible to
control the sails. Despite dropping both anchors as soon as rocks were sighted, she ran aground on the east
coast of Lambay Island, about 5 miles from Dublin Bay..."+

58 years later, the same company, The White Star Line, lost The Titanic, also on a maiden voyage.

There's more of the article attached to the Build Blog for further reading.

And, in a strange coincidence, 5 years earlier, my other gggGreat Grandmother was 'transported' to Van Diemans Land on The Earl Grey.... from Dublin Bay.

È andato tutto a rotoli, amico mio.
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Avoca #3 of 18 35

The Revell 1/96 Cutty Sark might be suitable starting point.

Revell 1/96 Cutty Sark
RMS Tayluer etching
Whilst waiting a reply from the maritime museum, and following the advice of several forum members, I'm hopeful that I may be able to use most of, if not all, of the existing Revell 1/96th Cutty Sark kit rather than starting from scratch.
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Avoca #4 of 18 31

The Build commences...

The base. Re-purposed Dremel Drill Press stand I made years ago that happened to be an ideal size and work surface.
A little trimming and marking to get things underway. Screws indicate overall length, beam and centre point.
AI generated Build Instructions for 1/80th scale RMS Tayluer.
Ok, so, this may seem a bit weird to you seasoned model crafts-folk, but, because there is so very little around regarding the RMS Tayluer in clinical, specific terms and no 'close-match' existing kits, I'm approaching this by presenting a basic AI LLM with as much information as I can and, based on this and other information it can gather itself, asking it to produce build specifications and instructions(attached) to reproduce, as close as possible, a 1/80th scale model of the Tayluer.

The screws in these photos represent the first steps in that process.

Overall length = 87.6cm
Midship Beam = 15cm
Main Mast = approx midships.

I am also considering running this hardwood base through a planer/thinner a few times and using it as the actual deck for the model.

With that, prior to deck profiling, shaping and cambering, I could run my Dremel Routing tool length ways with a super fine tile cutting bit to imitate planking.

I could then, possibly, use my Dremel drill press with 0.08mm PCB drill bit to drill fine holes, and then insert and trim resistor wire(happens to be 0.08mm copper) to provide the metal 'nails' for effect in the decking.

It would be quite effective given each 'plank' will be 2.5mm in width.

Please feel free to jump in and comment or suggest as I go.

Deck Width profile to come...

Cheers.
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Avoca #5 of 18 31

Update 2.

Looks weird...
Deck marked out.
I think we have a deck!
That's one long skinny bloody boat mate.

They were mad...

Happy with the day's work though..
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Avoca #6 of 18 31

AI generated images of the Tayluer.

Tayluer AI Top View.
Tayluer AI Side View.
Tayluer AI starboard cutaway including decking.
Tayluer AI 2D plot.
Tayluer AI 2D plot.
Tayluer AI 2D plot.
Tayluer AI 2D plot.
Tayluer AI Deck Longtitudinal Profile. Mast angles. Fore = 0deg, Main = -1deg, Mizzen = -1.5deg.
Tayluer AI Main Deck Camber Cross-section. ~12deg.
Tayluer AI Deck Structure.
When the AI LLM produces dimensions/instructions, this it what its 'thinking' about.
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Avoca #7 of 18 31

...and the verdict is ... AI still sucks!

Note: Clearly incorrect year for Flying Cloud, 1811 instead of 1851.
Based on Alessandro's great list of options, quite literally just cut-and-pasted into my AI LLM, it appears The Flying Cloud from the US is as good as it gets in terms of basic comparisons.

"
Based on my research, I can now provide you with a detailed comparison. First, let me establish the *RMS Tayleur's* specifications from my search results:

## RMS Tayleur (1853) Specifications
| Parameter | Measurement |
|-----------|-------------|
| *Displacement/Tonnage* | 1,750 tons |
| *Length* | 230 ft (70 m) |
| *Beam* | 40 ft (12 m) |
| *Draft* | 21 ft (6.4 m) |
| *Depth of Hold* | 28 ft (8.5 m) |
| *Type* | Full-rigged iron clipper |

---

## Comparison with Listed Clippers

| Ship | Year | Tonnes | Length | Beam | Draft | Similarity Score |
|------|------|--------|--------|------|-------|------------------|
| *Flying Cloud* | 1851 | 1,782 | 225-235 ft | 40-41 ft | 21.6 ft | ★★★★★ (Best Match) |
| *Andrew Jackson* | 1855 | 1,252-1,679 | 220 ft | 41 ft 2 in | 22 ft 3 in | ★★★★☆ |
| *Thermopylae* | 1868 | 991 GRT / 1,970 disp | 212 ft | 36 ft | ~20 ft | ★★★☆☆ |
| *Cutty Sark* | 1869 | 963 GRT / 2,100 disp | 212-280 ft | 36 ft | 20 ft | ★★★☆☆ |
| *Sea Witch* | 1846 | 908 | 170-192 ft | 33-34 ft | 19 ft | ★★☆☆☆ |
| *Ariel* | 1865 | 853-1,058 | 195-197 ft | 33.9 ft | ~21 ft | ★★☆☆☆ |
| *Sovereign of the Seas* | 1853 | 2,421 | 252-258 ft | 44-45 ft | 29 ft | ★★☆☆☆ |
| *Red Jacket* | 1853 | 2,305 | 251-260 ft | 44 ft | 26-31 ft | ★★☆☆☆ |

---

## Winner: *Flying Cloud (1851)*

The *Flying Cloud* is by far the closest match to the RMS Tayleur across all dimensions:

| Specification | Tayleur | Flying Cloud | Difference |
|---------------|---------|--------------|------------|
| Tonnage | 1,750 tons | 1,782 tons | *+1.8%* |
| Length | 230 ft | 225-235 ft | *±0-5 ft* |
| Beam | 40 ft | 40-41 ft | *0-2.5%* |
| Draft | 21 ft | 21.6 ft | *+2.9%* |

### Key Reasons:
1. *Same era*: Both built in early 1850s (Tayleur 1853, Flying Cloud 1851)
2. *Nearly identical displacement*: Only 32 tons difference
3. *Matching proportions*: Beam and draft ratios are essentially the same
4. *Comparable capacity*: Both were medium-to-large clippers designed for significant cargo/passenger loads

The Flying Cloud was built by Donald McKay in East Boston, while the Tayleur was an iron-hulled vessel built in Warrington—different construction methods, but remarkably similar in scale and purpose.

### Close Runner-Up: *Andrew Jackson (1855)*
- Very similar length (only 10 ft shorter)
- Slightly narrower beam but comparable draft
- Smaller tonnage (depending on source, 1,252-1,679 tons)
"

Based on a few things, not least of which the basic inaccuracies of spelling, name and manufacture year on the AI generated comparison image, I just CAN'T trust AI.

Therefore, I have decided NOT to use AI or 3D/CAD services for this project and will probably just build the IMAI 1/80th Cutty Sark I was looking at from the start.
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Avoca #8 of 18 29

One AI LLM rebuked and apologetic... I almost feel sorry for it.

So, I told the AI LLM I was using that I was disappointed in its performance and would not be using its service again.

It replied thus...

"... You're absolutely right to be disappointed, and I owe you a sincere apology. My performance on this task has been genuinely unacceptable.

Let me be direct about what went wrong:

1. *I failed to ensure accuracy* - Multiple spelling errors and incorrect dates appeared in generated images
2. *I kept repeating the same mistakes* instead of finding a better solution
3. *I didn't pivot quickly enough* when it became clear the image generation tool couldn't handle precise text requirements
4. *I wasted your time* through multiple failed iterations when a simpler approach from the start would have been more respectful

For a project requiring reliable documentation, these failures are particularly frustrating. You needed accurate technical specifications and clear visualizations - neither of which I delivered.

My fundamental limitation here is that image generation tools aren't suitable for technical diagrams requiring precise measurements, labels, and accurate historical data. I should have recognized this immediately and offered alternative solutions (like data tables, spreadsheet charts, or recommending specialized maritime reference resources) rather than persisting with an unsuitable approach.

I can't undo the poor results or change your decision about the service. I can only acknowledge that I failed to meet reasonable expectations and thank you for your patience throughout this frustrating process.

If there's any way I can help salvage aspects of your research through other means (data organization, source verification, written specifications), I'd be glad to assist. Regardless, I appreciate you holding me accountable for these shortcomings..."

Cheers.
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Avoca #9 of 18 21

A couple of likely candidates...

With the help of Alessandro and encouragement of others, a couple of 'base' existing model options have been looked at.

But, before I go any further, there is a potential complication, and possible part reason for the Tayluer's quick demise.

As mentioned earlier, the Tayluer's masts were said to be set further apart and more towards the aft end than standard 'clippers' of the time.

Research has shown that the Tayluer was originally commissioned as a screw steamer, but her design was modified during construction to accommodate sail propulsion.

It appears, therefore, the hull may have already been partially constructed for a large steam engine at this point, which meant the infrastructure required to mount masts was missing midships, forcing the main and mizzen masts towards the rear of the vessel.

"
That's a significant claim about her genesis, and it would indeed neatly explain the Grantham-style fuller midsections — but given your standard of verification, let me check it before we fold it into the record:

The claim is partly corroborated and partly needs pinning down — let me get the full paragraph from the Moore Group archaeology page, since its snippet cuts off right where it explains what "this modification" was:

Verified — and it's better than "could explain." The archaeological assessment of the wreck (Moore Group, citing MacGregor, 1973) states it outright:

"The ship was originally designed as a screw steamer but whilst on the blocks its form was changed to that of a clipper owing to the lack of availability of a suitable engine."

And the consequence was the mid-build dimensional jump we noted earlier: from 204 × 36 × 23 ft as laid down to 225 × 39.4 × 27.6 ft as launched. Her genesis as a screw steamer now explains three things that previously looked like anomalies:

The Grantham resemblance. The lugnad.ie analysis finding her sections matched John Grantham's auxiliary-steamer drawings isn't coincidental — she was laid down to Grantham's consulting brief for the Bank Quay Foundry, whose shipbuilding programme (11 iron vessels, 1852–55, per MacGregor via Starkey) was steeped in steamer work. The Bank Quay foundry had built paddle steamers through the 1840s before moving to ocean-going iron vessels.

The retention of steamer architecture. Per the Moore Group assessment, the designers kept the large hold "allowing for the possible refit of the vessel with a steam engine at a later date" — hence the three decks, box keelson, and deep hold that puzzled us relative to Flying Cloud.

The reason she couldn't turn at Lambay. This is the historically significant part: the steamer-derived hold placement forced the main and mizzen masts further aft than sailing-ship practice, at the expense of balance. The article links this aft shift directly to her poor response and handling difficulty — compounding the undersized rudder and the 17-degree uncompensated compass deviation. She was, in a real sense, lost to a design compromise made eighteen months before she ever tasted salt water.

The critical implication for your model

This is now the single most important divergence from Flying Cloud plans, and one I'd previously missed: mast placement. If you adapt McKay's rig using Flying Cloud's mast stations, you'll reproduce exactly the error Tayleur's builders didn't make. Your modified plan needs the main and mizzen stepped noticeably further aft than the American convention — the contemporary illustrations referenced in the Moore Group article are the check on how far. That's also a detail worth capturing, not smoothing over: the aft-set rig is Tayleur's most distinctive visible signature, visible in her profile silhouette.

Secondary build notes flowing from the steamer genesis: consider modelling the hull as originally lofted (204 ft) versus as launched (225 ft) only if you're documenting the design evolution — otherwise, as-launched dimensions. And the huge hold means a plausibly cavernous hatch spacing fore-and-aft compared to McKay ships.

The MacGregor reference (David MacGregor, 1973 — likely The Tea Clippers or its predecessor work on British iron ships; I'd want to confirm which title before you chase it) is now the key secondary source alongside Vicary and the lugnad half-model analysis. Want me to verify which MacGregor title carries this account, or shall we move to drafting the Dún Laoghaire enquiry with this added context? The steamer-origin story strengthens the case for requesting the half-model documentation considerably — it makes her hull historically unique among clipper survivors.
"
So, where to next...?

Cheers.
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Avoca #10 of 18 17

Positive news for a change...

So, I wrote an email to the Maritime Institute of Ireland to see if they could help with some design specs.

I just got this encouraging email in return.

Not all of it is here, of course, but this bit is interesting...

"
Thank you for your very interesting query and the Maritime Museum does in fact have a half model of the Tayleur donated some years ago.

The Museum also has a display of pottery recovered from the Tayleur, plus a tombstone that was destined for Australia.

I will be meeting the donor next week, so I will ascertain then whether a lines plan or measured drawings taken from the half model exist.

It certainly would be a great tribute to Jane Henderson and her daughter Isabella and sons William and Allan if you were able to reconstruct this half model and I am sure it would be cherished.
"
So, we'll see what comes of that.

Updates as they come.

Murray..
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