Boat Identification

Started by GageHunt
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#1

Boat Identification

Hi Everyone,

I wondered if anyone knew anything about this wooden model boat. I own it through the purchase of my property and it was left behind in a floor to ceiling glass case.

Thanks
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#2

Boat Identification

An America's Cup 12-meter style pond racing yacht; seems to be a circa 1950's design. There are members here that can be more precise. If someone goes to all the trouble to put it in a glass case it's a winner. What ever you do, don't get rid of it! Send more pix!!!!
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#3

Boat Identification

looks like a J class yacht what a great model is its history in whoever owned the house
Stephen james tucker
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#4

Boat Identification

Thanks for all the comments. I do not sail any r/c boat at all. I built one in my younger days. I do have a couple r/c cars but thats about it. One ive had since a young boy and restored it. We are doing some remodeling so we will have to sell the boat. I will be leaving it in the case until it is sold for its protection. It deserves that much considering the time someone has spent to build it. Does anyone happen to know a ballpark of what it could be worth. It's close to 4 feet long and the mast stands at over 6 feet.

Thanks again!
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#5

Boat Identification

Hi, it sounds like a Marblehead Class yacht. I can just about see Braine steering at the rear.
This class is 50 inches long and 800 square inches of sail.

Can you get to the yacht i.e. behind the glass? Quite often there are boat details inside the boat.
However, there are no registered numbers on the sails so does not look like she ever raced, as being registered was required for racing.

Looks a beautiful boat, nowadays they are used as decorative items so there is value but finding the right person may not be easy.
The other point is dismantling her for transit.

Try contacting the American Vintage Yacht Group they may have a buyer and or help with further identification.

The lead keel was cast for the yacht and this makes the yacht over 60 years old and the Braine steering even older.

There is another class in the USA called the Soling class of similar dimensions.

Good luck with the search.
Roy
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#6

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It is a very nice model boat. It is not a Soling. The "Soling" is a one-design class. The configuration is very different. Enjoy!
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#8

Boat Identification

The model does not look like anything that would fit into the RC classes. The 50/800, aka "Marblehead" class's rule is 50 inches so you need a more accurate measurement than "close to". Who suggested a "Soling"? (I have a 50/800 Soling from the early 1970's.) It is not an EC-12 which should be 59 inches.

From the rigging the boat looks like it was built as a scale model rather than competition. I think I see horizontal lines, possibly a bread and butter build?

As for the value, that can vary from zero to expensive. If the seller says "My dad built it" doesn't make it expensive or even sellable. The design is too modern (less than ~60 years old) to be classified as an antique. People often have a misconception about the value of model boats. I have been GIVEN numerous model boats, kits, accessories. It was difficult for me to pass them on (free). One boat I estimated the builder spent $1500 US on even came with a quality radio. Even was given a $2,000 US kit for free.

One of the last ones was a Graupner Wiesel schnellboot kit untouched in the original box. I could get only $25 US for it.

I don't mean to disappoint you about the value of model boats, but I have seen more than my share of good models that are virtually worthless to others.
https://www.RCFlorida.org/lmb
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#9

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Correct, but not just the boom construction. All of the rigging and sails are not what one finds on rc competition sailboats that rely on smooth air flow.
Lew
https://www.RCFlorida.org/lmb
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#10

Boat Identification

Fellas,

Would the aft control unit on deck be used on a pond boat that is not RC but just for sport? The answer is Yes, and there are more features.

Earlier I asked about the connection between the mast and the boom stating it doesn’t look like a connection used for competitive sailing. But, have a look at these photos of old pond yachts.

There are similarities not to be overlooked.
1) See the deck housing that receives the mast.
2) Note the Brass cone over the end of the Boom where it connects to the Mast.
3) Here is an example of a similar Hull design. See the skeg forward of the rudder. There is no cap between the fin and the rudder but an extension or as I called it a skeg.

What I don’t see is a Horse. The aft one to assist with the boom or a Horse forward of the mast to assist with setting the Jib though they are not necessarily required but they do help.

https://www.vmyg.org.uk/pages/resources/plans/braine.htm
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#11

Boat Identification

Depends... old vs. modern. When I ran by rc sailboats (three 50/800 class) 50 +years ago, I made them for racing and not scale. Totally different look. Just one example would be the masts with captured lufts for the main sail.

Lew
https://www.RCFlorida.org/lmb
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#12

Boat Identification

I am inclined to agree with Roy, this looks like an early Marblehead. This class was started in 1930 and these were free sailing using various types for steering gear.
My first contact with model yachts was with a Marblehead built by my father in the 1950s. This had Braine type steering which he later converted to vane steering and finally fitted radio gear (reed set).
The hull was finally used to make a plug to cast fibre glass hulls
Below is a picture I found on this type of yacht
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#13

Boat Identification

Hi all just got back from Oz! The close ups at stern this is Braine steering, no question. I once set up a Braine for someone else some years ago. Should be a dead elastic band in there or a spring with calibrations for wind stregth.
The calibration on the main boom is also classic racing yacht intent.

I mentioned Soling as someone told me it was like a Marblehead but never seen one for myself.
Regards all,
Roy
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#14

Boat Identification

Hi Lew I share your disappointment about sale values. I think for kits it is mainly about the inability of so many to contemplate making a model as their education although excellent in its way left out working with your hands and being able to see the finished model from the plans alone.

The model yacht in question looks a lot like Marbleheads I remember from the late 1950's.
One of the photos with the large sail area looked like a 36R, the R stands for restricted, not radio!

Roy
Best
Roy
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#16

Boat Identification

Hi in the photos you can see a blue elastic band, and the other end goes via a bowsie to adjust tension according to wind speed.

The system works and I would leave it, but disabled, and fit 2 more cords of similar type but going to a concealed rudder servo.

Would look nice in the water but needs checking for leaks. A close up of the hull may reveal if the planking is screwed in place or glued. If glued it is post 1960 as it was only untill then that suitable glues were available.

Roy
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#17

Boat Identification

Thank you all for the information. I went and looked at the boat today and the hull looks to be nailed or screwed together. Also it is definitely a lead keel. Here are more pics.
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