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๐ฌ Re: Maiden voyage
9 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Boiler Bri ( Able Seaman)
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Hi. Not too sure whatโs going on here. I have been emailed this, yet itโs two years old. ??
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Phil,
There was a problem on the website earlier this week which prevented the picture loading. Now fixed thanks to Stephen (Fireboat) Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Maiden voyage
3 years ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder ( Commodore)
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Looks great on the water Graham,
The first of many sailing sessions to come. ๐ Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Maiden voyage
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง philcaretaker ( Commodore)
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Hi Graham - Link ok but photo not taken ????
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Remove Ads ๐ฌ Re: Sail making
9 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง flaxbybuck ( Captain)
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Can you show us the method you used to tie the sails to the mast and booms please. I would be most interested to see this as there are a number of different ways of doing it, some more complicated than others. Thanks ๐
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๐ฌ Re: Sail making
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Andy,
Thanks, I'm pleased with it so far. I'm not into racing. I just enjoy sailing for fun and don't want to get into competitive sailing. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Sail making
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Michael,
That picture was taken at the lakeside BEFORE its maiden voyage - as I stated in the post 'ready for it's first outing' ๐ Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Sail making
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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Watched the video of your boat sailing
Looks great and sails really well Will/can you race it? Are there similar designs to compete against? ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Sail making
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Come on Graham that last picture looks as if it may have been taken at the lake side, have you had a sneaky sail without pictures๐
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๐ฌ Re: Sail making
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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I think you will find turpentine substitute will dissolve double sided glue
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๐ฌ Re: Sail making
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง roycv ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi I think I might try a hair dryer thanks for the advice, I can't shorten or anything as it is a scale sail fitted to the mast. Will not be in UK til next week so let you know how it goes.
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๐ฌ Re: Sail making
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Black Shoe ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Sorry to jump in so late, but it may be worth a try to use a heat gun, (hair dryer, or maybe even an iron on low heat) to soften the tapes glue. Then gently peel the layers away and replace the offending area.
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๐ฌ Re: Sail making
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Roy,
A difficult problem to overcome. You could try to find a solvent to soften the glue. Acetone would be my suggestion. Try โnail varnish removerโ which contains acetone. Test first that it doesnโt damage the Mylar, but I donโt think it will. An alternative, easier solution would be to cut the seam out of the sail and remake it. This would shorten the sail by the seam width, which would probably not be noticeable. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Sail making
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง roycv ( Vice Admiral)
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Nicely done Graham. Have you any tips on un-gluing double sided tape? I have a sail that over the years has developed a slight ruckle in the glue joint. I also used mylar and double sided tape. I am loathe to unpeal it without knowing exactly what I am doing.
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๐ฌ Re: Sail making
3 years ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder ( Commodore)
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Hi Graham,
Looking forward to the maiden voyage. Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Radio installation
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Ron,
As a contributor to the upkeep of the site (i.e. I make a nominal contribution each year) I never see any advertisements on the site ๐ Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Michael,
The winch is a Kingmax 55g metal gear 4 turn model. Having just installed it and attached it to the rigging, the 2 turn version might just have enough range. The rigging stays are plastic coated 120lb 7strand sea fishing braided leader wire. The sheets are Dynema braided cord. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Radio installation
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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Yes sailboats are so much less expensive than the powered vessels. No esc, no motor, stuffing box and shaft, no prop, no power supply for the motor just 4 AA batteries.
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๐ฌ Re: Radio installation
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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Are any of the rest of you getting advertisements in your posts? i was reading down through Grahams post and advertising appeared twice which really disrupts the posting.
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๐ฌ Re: Radio installation
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Hi Graham, what type of rigging are you using and also what type is the sail winch.
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๐ฌ Re: Rigging
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง philcaretaker ( Commodore)
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" I am so excited for you Graham - cant wait to see the finished product ! "โต๐
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Remove Ads ๐ฌ Re: Rigging
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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That's looking the part now, the water awaits. What rigging wire are you using?
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๐ฌ Re: Rigging
3 years ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder ( Commodore)
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Hi Graham,
Looks like she is nearly ready for the water. Lovely work on the fittings. Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fittings
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ pressonreguardless ( Rear Admiral)
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Soldered Screw Threads, Capital Idea ๐๐๐
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Michael,
I wanted a coarse screw thread that would 'bite' into the balsa. I could have tried screwcutting on the lathe, but soldering a thread on was an easier and quicker option. Just need to try and keep the threads evenly spaced, although it doesn't seem to be too critical with balsa. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fittings
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Phil,
I don't think it will be frozen, but perhaps you could arrange for (another) fire in the middle of the lake just in case! ๐ฎ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fittings
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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I agree with the others, that these are very designed and made. The deck eyes/chain plates are especially well thought out and I'm sure a 25kg load is plenty for a test and far exceeds what will happen in real life.
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๐ฌ Re: Fittings
3 years ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder ( Commodore)
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Lovely work Graham,
Can't really add to what Mike and Phil have said. Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fittings
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Hi Graham, never stuck for a solution, I really like the screw thread, very inventive and one I had never thought of, it will get used in the future. The rest of the design and manufacture is of course up to the usual standard, very nice
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๐ฌ Re: Fittings
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง philcaretaker ( Commodore)
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How will she cut though ice Graham ? - ie. forecast not good for Thursday !.
Love the home brew screws by the way !!. โต Phil๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: More painting
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks Phil, Stephen,
Iโm looking forward to finishing it and getting it on the water. Andy, Once your design is printed onto the decal paper the paper is soaked in water for 30 seconds to release the backing just like traditional decals. The ink used in inkjet printers is not waterproof, so, before the decal is soaked, the artwork is lacquered to protect the ink from the soaking. First time Iโve made decals, but it worked a treat ๐ Graham93 ▲
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Remove Ads ๐ฌ Re: More painting
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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Very impressive
Interesting to learn about the decal paper and that you used some lacquer before applying the decals. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: More painting
3 years ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder ( Commodore)
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Looks great Graham, ๐
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๐ฌ Re: More painting
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง philcaretaker ( Commodore)
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Can`t wait to get it on video Graham ! - as usual it looks - AMAZING !๐๐โตโตโตโตโตโต
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๐ฌ Re: Painting, Stand and Hatches
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Stand set-up is great Graham, good idea to stop the boat swinging with that side pad and velcro. Hull's looking very sleek now.
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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The stand is a great design Ill be using that on my next build. I like your masking tape idea, I use as slice of cornflake box as spacers.
I'm looking forward to the colour scheme it will be immaculate with all that preparation, great work. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Painting, Stand and Hatches
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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Looking very impressive. The hull shape seems quite โclassicโ with the angled transom. There must be a correct term for this but I donโt know it.
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๐ฌ Re: Keel
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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Like the frame to ensure the keel is square to the hull. Good idea.
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๐ฌ Re: Keel
3 years ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder ( Commodore)
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Hi Graham,
Good that you had a plan B, nice resalt. Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Adding the deck
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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The exciting part, putting the roof on ๐ Looks good Graham.
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting out
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Andy,
I'm not planning to have an elastic cord on deck to keep the sheet tight on the drum. I haven't found it necessary on the WeeNip which I sail frequently and which hasn't given any trouble with the winch. The winch does have an enclosed drum which helps prevent tangles. Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Ref Mike's last post -
"Damit kein der Segelschnรผre sich nicht verhederten, habe ich eine Fรผhrung mit einem Rohr an der kritischen Stelle gesichert." For members not so familiar with German as Mike and I here a translation๐ 'To stop the sail lines getting tangled up I secured the lead-throughs at critical positions with a tube.' ๐ (A free service of the MB Website Central Europe Intelligence Centre, CEIC! ๐๐คฃ) PS Attached a recent contribution / comment to CEIC ref current European events๐ค ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting out
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ญ Mike Stoney ( Captain)
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Hi AndyB,
Missed your comment. I adopted your version from back then because I kept getting tangled sail lines! Luckily I installed a water pump so I can use hydro power to retrieve my ship!! Regards Michel-Claude ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting out
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ญ Mike Stoney ( Captain)
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Hi Graham . .
Regarding the sail servo, I have my own experience collected. First I attached a yo-yo to the opposite side. but this did not satisfy me at all, since the sail servo was always under "tension". (photo 1) Then I removed the whole thing again and designed the structure in such a way that the sail winch was never under tension. (photo 2) Damit kein der Segelschnรผre sich nicht verhederten, habe ich eine Fรผhrung mit einem Rohr an der kritischen Stelle gesichert.(Last photo is with all units) It's not perfect, but useful. Had no more problems. Greets Michel-Claude ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting out
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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Thanks Graham
I assume you will have some form of elastic/shock cord on the deck that pulls the sheets "against" the winch, so they stay tight on the drum. I've only ever used a continuous loop system on a winch. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting out
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham, tilting it fore and aft can have a similar result for fine tuning . 100% OK racing dinghies (for eg) actually have a a set of wedges with a sliding mast bearing in an oblong deck slot so the mast can be moved to correct the balance, depending on the sailors preferred sailing position and weight. An inch at the top of the mast moves quite a bit of sail. The OKs also have an adjustable sliding mast step (Lasers, Optimists and other keel stepped un-stayed dinghies have them as well). I made a similar adjustable foot for my 12ft Cherokee, (had to make a complete rotating mast system) just in case, and was lucky enough to set it in the right hole first time, and it balances perfectly, (mast is un-stayed and turns with the boom)
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting out
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi JB,
Yes, too late now to have an adjustable mast step. I'm just following the plans (sort of!). As a novice sailor I don't fully understand the subtleties of the mast adjustments for helm. While the mast foot is in a fixed position, I will be able to tilt the mast fore and aft a little using the stays. Would that help achieve the same result? ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting out
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Steve,
I wanted to move the sides of the hatch away from the gunwhales as much as possible to keep the hatches above water when she heels and to help keep the insides dry. I'm good at 'keyhole' surgery ๐คฃ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting out
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Michael, Andy,
With regard to sail winch selection, no complex calculations I'm afraid. I based the selection on my 'extensive' experience of building two sailboats ๐คฃ๐ For my Gaff Rigged Cutter I used two HiTec HS-785HB sail winches. These are large, heavy and relatively expensive but they work really well. The Cutter is heavy with 1180 sq. in of sail. The servos are as recommended by the designer. For the WeeNip, I originally used a long arm servo but found it stalled and ran the battery flat quickly. I replaced it with a KingMax 45g sail winch which works fine. This winch is rated 6kg/cm with a 6v supply. I haven't been able to find a reference for the Wee Nip sail area but I guess around 200 sq. in. The Racing Sparrow is bigger than the WeeNip, and smaller than the Cutter with a sail area of 387sq. in. The Kingmax 45g servo might be adequate but I opted for a slightly larger Kingmax SW5513 55g winch. This is rated at 9.24kg/cm with a 4.8v supply. I expect (hope!) it will be suitable.๐ค It doesn't matter if the servo has too much torque The number of turns needed on a sail winch is easily calculated by measuring on the plan the length of sheet needed for the full range of sail control. Knowing the diameter of the winch drum (25mm in the case of the KingMax) the number of turns can be calculated. End point adjustment on the Transmitter allows reduction of the number of turns actually used. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting out
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham, you're really making quick work of this ! Is that another Hitec sail winch you've used? Liked the idea of over building the hull and trimming it back to the transom. I would have suggested an adjustable mast step, to allow for fore and aft adjustment, (for correcting any possible slight lee or weather helm ) but it's a bit late now๐
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting out
3 years ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder ( Commodore)
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If I can butt in here,
I have a Wee Nip that was given to me. I went and bought a low cost servo probably $5, that according to it's specs should have been fine though in reality it only lasted 2 sailing sessions before letting out the smoke, I then went and bought a Hitec heavy duty sail arm which cost $50 the good thing is it works as advertised. Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder ( Commodore)
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Very nice work Graham,
I have always thought the bigger the hatch the better, gaining access to change the line pops to mind, just my thoughts. Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting out
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Come on Graham give us the detail๐
I'm planning on using a servo winch but all the information I have talks about Kgs, but how this relates to sail size has yet to be researched. Did you do such calculations. I'm confused about the price, I have seen them for as much as ยฃ40 and as little ยฃ6 With not enough specification detail to see why the price variation and which is best ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting out
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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Impressed
Interested in what type of winch and drum you are using, as Iโve only experienced a loop system. Thanks ▲
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