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    HMS Amethyst
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    ๐Ÿ“ Lattice masts
    3 months ago by Gdaynorm ( Warrant Officer)
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    HMS Amethyst had a lattice mast. Does anyone know if this was constructed using tube or bar and angle steel. It is a difficult thing to make whatever the format.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Lattice masts
    2 months ago by Gdaynorm ( Warrant Officer)
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    Having a real problem with windlass, mainly size as do not have any drawings, only indistinct photos. I have made as per picture, but it seems a bit large, but to get the chain realistically around the drums, can't get it much smaller. As usual, your opinion will be welcome!
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    3 months ago by Gdaynorm ( Warrant Officer)
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    She had what I can only describe as a short bulwark, see pic. Seems strange but the there had to be a good reason for it. Any idea what was behind it?
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    3 months ago by Gdaynorm ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi Doug,
    Hopefully mast finished, apart from gear on the crowsnest. See pic. Looks okay from three or four feet!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Lattice masts
    3 months ago by Gdaynorm ( Warrant Officer)
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    Only made the main uprights angle, the rest flat about 30 thou wide. The really perceptive might be able to criticize as there is some discrepancy there - no way could I cut better part of four feet totally accurately! One way to save previous soldered joints is to do the first one with standard solder, then low melt after. Problem here in Canada is can't find low melt! Making the angle was not too hard, just time consuming. Crowsnest next, with guard rails - steel guitar strings.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Lattice masts
    3 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Looks pretty damn good to me Norm๐Ÿ‘ That's some 'tin snipping'!
    Musta bin a tin can or it wouldn't have taken solder so well.
    That's what concerned me about a brass construction; previous joints popping when heating the next oneโ˜น๏ธ Have had that agro with brass photo etch. Mini croc clips and slivers of copper sheet as heat sinks didn't help much.
    Folding the corner angle profiles musta bin fun, assume you made a jig?

    Next project an oil drilling rig??? Deep Horizon?
    Keep up the great work, shame we'll never see her sailing tho.
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Lattice masts
    3 months ago by Gdaynorm ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi Doug,
    I've hardly ever used styrene. I think I have a reasonable result, using steel cut from a body shop paint thinners can. See pics. Took a while.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Lattice masts
    3 months ago by Rowen ( Commander)
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    Hi Norm,
    Made one for my Castle class corvette years ago.
    The original was angled steel but found, using a jig that styrene angled strip made quite a successful replica .
    Rowen
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Lattice masts
    3 months ago by Rookysailor ( Commodore)
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    See my harbour Norm, my HMS Amethyst is in there and some pictures of her main mast, I believe this was made using angled brass.

    Cheers, Pete๐Ÿ˜Š

    Don't know how to post a link to my harbour, ๐Ÿ˜sorry
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Lattice masts
    3 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Norm,
    I would guess angle steel, to minimise top weight and maximise inherent strength.
    Been on the odd ship / FAC with such a mast and they were built using angle profile.
    In a model probably best constructed from styrene profile, conclusion I came to when making the depth charge rails and bridge wing supports for my H class destroyer.
    Soldering brass profile for such a mast could become a 'job for life'๐Ÿค”
    Happy gluing, don't get too 'stuck in' ๐Ÿ˜
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    BTW: ref deck colours, see Norman Ough's comments here, click on the 4th pic-
    https://www.vintagemodelplans.com/products/digital-full-size...

    https://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/great_britain/pages/sloops/hms_amethyst_u16_page_4.htm
    https://www.vintagemodelplans.com/products/digital-full-size-plans-h-m-s-amethyst-scale-1-96-suitable-for-radio-control
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    https://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/great_britain/pages/sloops/hms_amethyst_u16_page_4.htm
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    ๐Ÿ“ HMS Amethyst
    5 months ago by Gdaynorm ( Warrant Officer)
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    She must have undergone some pretty extensive work, especially aft from photos I have. From pics I have her decks could be anything from very dark grey to similar shade blue, grey or even brown corticene. Ideas welcome! Pic is as she is now. Guns detail inside the turrets missing. Having scoured the net for hours, I still have not found one pic looking into the turret!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: HMS Amethyst
    5 months ago by Scratchbuilder ( Captain)
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    Hi Norm.
    I watched the film again this evening and managed to capture some pics.
    Hope they are of some help.
    Regards Bill.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: HMS Amethyst
    5 months ago by Scratchbuilder ( Captain)
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    Hi Norm.
    I attach some pictures of the type of main guns fitted to HMS Amethyst namely the Mk XV1 QF 4 inch.
    They are not taken on Amethyst but from other vessels.
    Some time ago I posted a section in response to your first blog on her and if you can get hold of a copy of the film on the Yangtze incident the film shows the guns in action.
    Sorry if you have already seen the attached pictures.
    Regards Bill.
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    ๐Ÿ“ HMS Amethyst
    7 months ago by Gdaynorm ( Warrant Officer)
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    Just starting on 1/96 waterline model, as she was at the Yangtse incident. Have good drawings from two sources - N A Ough and Les Brown book. Bit short on photos from above. One problem. Was her plating butt welded or overlapped and welded.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: HMS Amethyst
    6 months ago by Gdaynorm ( Warrant Officer)
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    She's starting to look like a ship. She almost certainly had corticene decks. Question is, dirty dark green or blue or even brown?
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: HMS Amethyst
    7 months ago by Gdaynorm ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi Damon,
    Thanks, that would be great. I thought I had already replied, twice, but maybe I'm not clicking the right spot. email is gdaynorm@sympatico.ca
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: HMS Amethyst
    7 months ago by ToraDog ( Lieutenant)
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    Very nice!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: HMS Amethyst
    7 months ago by ToraDog ( Lieutenant)
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    Norm,
    Card is a great way to go. The alumin tape can also be used easily on curves. Applied lightly, then cut with a sharp knife, peel off the unwanted, and the "plate" wraps around the curve. burnished down and viola!
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    7 months ago by Gdaynorm ( Warrant Officer)
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    Well thanks for trying. They look like shots taken in Malta grand harbour? Difficulty is dating photos to what stage of modifications a ship underwent.
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    7 months ago by Gdaynorm ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi Damon.
    Yes thanks. The more pics the better. Have you ever noticed there are very few shots taken from above the stern of any ship? My e-mail is gdaynorm@sympatico.ca
    Are you currently building?
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    7 months ago by Gdaynorm ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi, thanks. Yes, from the photos I have they are definitely not riveted. The Ough drawings show the plating in detail, individual plate by plate. I have taken a punt as attached pic shows. I have always done my plating with card, which has the advantage of when damp being slightly mouldable where curvature is complex. It is slightly over thick, but by the time it has a couple of coats of paint, sanded and finish coat it works well.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: HMS Amethyst
    7 months ago by DamonH ( Able Seaman)
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    hay
    well I've tried all night but this is the best i could do sorry no use I'm afraid, sorry
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    7 months ago by Damon ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi
    I've got a few pics I'll dig them out scan them and can email you them if will help any?๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: HMS Amethyst
    7 months ago by ToraDog ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Norm,
    I found quite a few pics of her on line including the attached from her incident. To me, it appears thaat her stakes overlapped the above and below strakes and I suspect, not seeing any sign of rivets, that she was welded. I would also suspect that, if she were built anythng like a Fletcher cl. destroyer, that she had riveted straps running around her hull where her expansion joints were.
    I would like to suggest a technique, learned from a very good modelers in New Hampshire, to easily simulate the strake plating. I used it fro the first time on my latest Fletcher and it worked well. Starting with a smooth hull, mark your stake lines on your hull, bow to stern. As you are doing a WL model, there will be few. From photos, determine the proud strakes, those that would be welding on top of the adjoining strakes. The proud strkes are the only ones you need to simulate. calculate the strake thickness and convert it to scale, then using adhesive backed aluminum tape cut to size, apply it to the hull where the proud stake would be found. To cut the foil I applied it lightly to my hulls surface and cut it with an Xacto knife. When you are satisfied with the shape and position rub the foil down onto the hull with a dull object, i used a piece of basswood with a rounded edge. On Fletchers the strakes overlapped for and after and this is easily accomplishe by posisioning and careful rubbing. It helps to try it a time or two before getting too close to your hull.๐Ÿ˜‹
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