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    ๐Ÿ“ Success!
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Well it was a struggle, but I have gotten S91 to operationalโ€ฆthere is still details to be added as in weathering and paint โ€ฆbut I am happy with the over all build .
    I ended up removing one of the three motors due to weight concerns and better use of the space it would give as to both operations and maintenance. I may revisit the motors and ESCโ€™s due to having to dial back via the transmitter to 20% of full power , any more it starts to get very unmanageable and unstable.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Success!
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Scratchbuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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    BW.
    Really impressive.Well done after all your problems.
    Got me thinking about getting mine out of dry dock and back in the water.
    Regards
    Bill๐Ÿ‘
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Success!
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Doogle ( Rear Admiral)
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    Very nice footage of her running. Success indeed ๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ“ Letโ€™s try again โ€ฆ.
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Spent the last couple of days and a few dollars repairing and rebuilding the main propulsion , as the new 85 Amp ESCโ€™s are a bit heavier and larger than the 45 Amp ESCโ€™s they replaced I opted to remove one of the 3 motors. This will save weight and provide space to get better air flow and still give a 1/3 more power over the S100 build 2 - 2218kv vs. 3 - 1100 kv motors .
    I have again successfully performed both bench test and a tub trim test of all systems/ channels and now await a trip to the pond for a full shake down โ€ฆ.As much as I enjoy building it breaks my heart that I no longer have the hands to do the fine work skills I once had , I continue neverthelessโ€ฆโ€ฆ

    Bill G.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Letโ€™s try again โ€ฆ.
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง flaxbybuck ( Captain)
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    That's a nice neat set-up you've got there Bill. You may not have all the skills you once had, but I'm sure you still have them in plenty !๐Ÿ˜‰
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Letโ€™s try again โ€ฆ.
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Doogle ( Rear Admiral)
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    Looks very neat internally Bill, puts my wiring to shame, I'll persevere with mine ๐Ÿ˜€
    ๐Ÿ“ Bad Day at sea trial and shake down โ€ฆ.
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    The good news is my S100 and the Two Vospers ran with out issues, so with recharged batteries I look forward to the next meet sailing meetโ€ฆ.

    The S91 not so well โ€ฆ.I am lucky that with quick action it appears the damage is easily fixed ,like all things mechanical , time and money โ€ฆand most importantly education and learning โ€ฆThe photo says it all โ€ฆ.๐Ÿ˜ž

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Bad Day at sea trial and shake down โ€ฆ.
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    I am not sure but it looks like It was a number of factors , from not enough ventilation, to not enough big enough Amperage of the ESCโ€™s โ€ฆalong with the possibility of the props not correctly matched to the motor size โ€ฆmy solution has been larger ESCโ€™s โ€ฆ85 Amp vs. 45 Amp โ€ฆmotors are rated at 40 Amps โ€ฆbut no spike/ peak data availableโ€ฆI have added Fans to the ESCโ€™s and opened the deck for better air flow. Given The larger ESCโ€™s , I removed one motor and ESC โ€ฆto save weight and to gain space for wiring and air flow โ€ฆThis still gives me 1/3 more power over my first EBoat build of a S100 , see Blog โ€ฆ2- 2218 kv motors vs 3 1100 kv motors .
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Bad Day at sea trial and shake down โ€ฆ.
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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    Please tell me why your ESC became so hot and partly melted?
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Bad Day at sea trial and shake down โ€ฆ.
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    I am still not sure what/ why I had this failure , but I am correcting many possibles , , 1. Not enough ventilation, and possible heat build up .
    2. Not enough over spec in matching an ESC to the brushless motor ,,ESC 45 amps , Motor 40 Amp โ€ฆ
    3. Component failure in the ESC , โ€ฆ
    4. To large , or to great of pitch of the props for the motors , โ€ฆS100 has 3 discontinued brushed motors and ESC โ€˜s and ran well from day 1 ..bought over 6 years ago , otherwise I would have bought the same set up again .

    My current efforts are focused on more ventilation, and a larger ESC at 85 Amp , as such , I am removing the center motor and only powering with two counter rotational props of the outer shafts .along with a prop change in the future if needed. In the mean time I wait for the electronics to finish drying out for so far they all work after being dunked to put out the flaming ESC , the deck did get some damage from the flameโ€ฆbut fixable โ€ฆthe addition of floatation on the removable hatch over the motors and ESC โ€˜s took a large part of the flame damage before the deck hatch and Hull did .

    The removal of the center Motor and itโ€™s ESC will lighten the load and give me space to better run the wiring , โ€ฆ.I feel the major mistake I made was not taking into full account the peak or spike loads.

    BillG.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Bad Day at sea trial and shake down โ€ฆ.
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Doogle ( Rear Admiral)
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    Oops, what's happened?
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Bad Day at sea trial and shake down โ€ฆ.
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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    How did this happen?
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Bad Day at sea trial and shake down โ€ฆ.
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Add more suppression capacitors Ballast๐Ÿ˜
    For me the electrical/electronical gubbinses are the interesting bit๐Ÿ˜‰
    'Making things work!'
    Cheers, Doug๐Ÿ˜Ž
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Bad Day at sea trial and shake down โ€ฆ.
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Ballast ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Oh dear ! The one thing I hate about building model boats is the "Sparks" side of it !!!
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Bad Day at sea trial and shake down โ€ฆ.
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Scratchbuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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    Morning.
    Oh dear.
    It doesn't seem right ticking a like with that damage โ˜น๏ธ.
    Been there and felt the pain.
    Hope all is soon rectified.
    Bill
    ๐Ÿ“ Progress
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Well with help from the local Hobby shop that is more into RC cars and off road I was able to learn what I should have remembered from my youth and education and work experienceโ€ฆ..We are close this is a bench test just before a sea trial ๐Ÿค”. Must have missed a button or two on this post โ€ฆwill keep trying to get the video to work or maybe I have fixed it time will tell ..

    ๐Ÿ“ Lucky ,,,,but Good? โ€ฆ.
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Still donโ€™t know why but at this point I am just taking it as a near miss, I went to the only source I have locally for information about Brushless motors , ESCโ€™s and Lipo battery packs . It is primarily RC Cars , Trucks and Off road buggiesโ€ฆ..very very little in the way of boating , understandable as to the limited ponds and water ways that have access, itโ€™s even the same for full size boating at least for fresh water ,,,Salt water well thatโ€™s always been $$$$$.
    Still donโ€™t understand what was done , rewired everything the same way I had it in the boat back at the apartment, โ€ฆ.except it all worked โ€ฆ.No factory smoke releasedโ€ฆ.Motors and speed control worked as it should โ€ฆnow a day later , and everything back in the boat , I and ready for finial trim and sea trials , โ€ฆ.

    ๐Ÿค”. I just done know ..but I will take it โ€ฆthe next club meet is in July โ€ฆand my fleet will be in top form and will be out on the water โ€ฆ

    Be Safe and Smooth sailing

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Lucky ,,,,but Good? โ€ฆ.
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง flaxbybuck ( Captain)
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    Oh dear. Not good. However, your boat is OK , so not all is lost.๐Ÿ˜‰
    ๐Ÿ“ Vosper after action reports
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Well not checking before rushing off to the meet was my major mistake , my St Nazaire special , had a collet set screw that missed thread lock resulting in the loose prop shaft . I also found a few mounts that had not been glued in place well enough so fixed a possible future failure,โ€ฆ.she is now ready to run .
    My standard Vosper , had the suspected grease issue , along with a collet that was to tight running against the end of the prop shaft tube , this added drag and heated the motor which resulted in the bridge deck to start to melt . Not realizing that my deck fitted that close to my motor mount as it heated an melted it then contracted the motor adding more drag ,..more heat โ€ฆ.this also explains the change in sound during its short run as told to me by my son. Final failure was the motor ripping out of it mounting and binding the works up โ€ฆ.

    I have fixed all the issues found ,hopefully this will help others too not make my mistakes and let the enthusiasm over ride better judgement and practiceโ€ฆ

    Back in the water!
    Bill G.

    P.S.
    Still evaluating the S91โ€ฆ.๐Ÿ˜–

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Vosper after action reports
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง flaxbybuck ( Captain)
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    Glad to hear you have things back on track.
    After experiencing technical problems and failures there can be appreciable satisfaction in identifying and fixing all the problems.
    Have fun๐Ÿ˜‰
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Vosper after action reports
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    I agree , I really liked these conversion builds ,unlike the S91 project that has a displacement type hull , these plane hulls require a light touch I feel so have been given a small brushless helicopter motor I felt it was a good fit and I am happy with the out come and their performance. As long as I have done my part โ€ฆ.lol.

    Your Vosper puts my feeble efforts to shame that is a fine looking model. Very Nice !!
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Vosper after action reports
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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    Mine runs very well on 1 brushed motor and single prop
    ๐Ÿ“ Update : Found and joined a club and my poor efforts are still showing โ€ฆ
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hoped to get an early start to this new to me Marine Modelers club based in Boston Mass. but members from all over the state and near by. โ€ฆWell I loaded up my Two Vospers , check out their build blog , โ€ฆand the still on going old lindberg Blue Devil Fletcher class destroyer and arrived two hours after the start time , took a quick look at some fine scale models and the paperwork to become a member . After answering many interested questions as to my builds and the models I had brought I sent out my St. Nazaire Vosper โ€ฆ.Only to run it into the biggest patch of weeds and have my driveshaft fail๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ. So had the pleasure of one of the members wade out and retrieve my wreck โ€ฆ.Ok โ€ฆThings happen no biggie will just send the other Vosper out โ€ฆHanded the model and controller to my son and he took her out โ€ฆfor about 3 minutes only to have it go dead in the water โ€ฆwith a locked Prop Shaft โ€ฆ.๐Ÿ˜–๐Ÿ˜–๐Ÿ˜– have yet to open the hull up to see why โ€ฆbut have a feeling the home made prop shaft did not get enough grease and not checking it in my rush to this event only put frosting on my cake as the new guy. ๐Ÿ˜ž๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ. Good news is I had Video of my runs from last year and the over all results is that several members are ordering kits to convert . A good day!
    Back to the bench and repairs โ€ฆ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Update : Found and joined a club and my poor efforts are still showing โ€ฆ
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Doogle ( Rear Admiral)
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    Best of luck with your repairs and the new club. Enjoy ๐Ÿ˜Š
    ๐Ÿ“ Major Set Back โ€ฆ
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    I foolishly got info about a local club is have a meet, so with lack of sleep I started to rush to get S91 at least water operational โ€ฆ.was working on trim and final electrical/ electronics bench test still not sure what went wrong โ€ฆ.but plugged in main battery and smoke โ€ฆ.Have confirmed all 3 ESCโ€™s are toast โ€ฆstill need to check radio receiver and sound board , and motorsโ€ฆ.๐Ÿ˜–๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ$$$$$

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Major Set Back โ€ฆ
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Doogle ( Rear Admiral)
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    Commiserations my friend, similar happened to me as well last Wednesday. Took the Orca for a quick sail after club meeting to find she would only go around in circles-of course this only happens when you're far from the shore๐Ÿ˜‚ rescued by feฤบlows and find the steering linkage was broken.
    Easy fix, test bench afterwards only for the esc to suddenly start smoking and in turn cook the battery .. hey ho, hopefully you'll get yours sorted and I'll get started on dismantling ๐Ÿ™„.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Major Set Back โ€ฆ
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง flaxbybuck ( Captain)
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    My commiserations. I know how you must feel. It's that awful feeling in the pit of your stomach knowing that only you are to blame.โ˜น๏ธโ˜น๏ธ๐Ÿค•
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    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ MouldBuilder ( Admiral)
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    Sad to hear about this. As Bill said, we have all done it. At least it teaches us valuable lessons for the future. I hope you can repair at minimal cost.๐Ÿ˜Ÿ
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    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Scratchbuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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    Sadly been there done it and got the ๐ŸŽ–๏ธ to prove it โ˜น๏ธ.
    Itโ€™s the angry frustration after thatโ€™s the worst part.
    Bill.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Major Set Back โ€ฆ
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง exsnapper ( Leading Seaman)
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    Nothing worse than doing a late night rush for the next day and having a major breakdown like yours. Hope the damage is not a total wipeout for you!
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    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ช hermank ( Commodore)
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    Very sad to hear this!!!!
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Major Set Back โ€ฆ
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Cashrc ( Admiral)
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    Sorry to hear of your troubles. If Iโ€™m going to smoke, break or bend anything itโ€™s usually late at night, trying to get something ready for the next day. You have my sympathies and I hope you get her back up to speed, sheโ€™s looking very nice.
    Cash
    ๐Ÿ“ Project S91 update
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    It been awhile since my last update , but life is like that at times we cant always do what we want or even feel up to doing it โ€ฆlol I have started to move forward to getting this to be a runner , by working on a few details and mounting hardware , running the wires and ordering bits and pieces that are needed. I have done a quick water line check and trim with more weight than what is currently required as to known parts that must still be installed . She is looking to be a bit light or very close to spec as to draft and still have room for more battery or details . I canโ€™t wait to see and hear the sound board and muzzle flash in actionโ€ฆAnd I seemed to have new help โ€ฆlol โ€ฆBe Safe All
    BG

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Project S91 update
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    No .. I think the cat sabotaged me โ€ฆ..they are like that most likely due to not working on my trawler โ€ฆ๐Ÿค”
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Project S91 update
    1 year ago by ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ MouldBuilder ( Admiral)
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    Looks good. Is it a Catamaran?๐Ÿ˜ƒ
    ๐Ÿ“ Update โ€ฆon S91 projectโ€ฆ
    2 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Well things are progressing slow , life does that at times , tho a bit of procrastination can be made if honest โ€ฆlol ..I have done more detailed work and finalizing things as to hull access , and component mounting/ locations โ€ฆone thing I have added that was not on my original build plan is a sound board and LED muzzle flash .
    I am very excited to get this in and see and hear it on the water . My only regret is where I am adding muzzle flash to the 40mm Bofors in the stern that I have reto fitted the LED . I feel if I had installed it at its build time I could have run the fine wiring better , but we do the best we can . What is nice is that the sound board has proportional Throttle Diesel engines, 20 mm bust , 40 mm Bofors bust and Torpedo launch ,with warning siren ,โ€ฆas an added feature the LED out puts for the engineโ€™s exhaust, and the weapons are synchronized to the sound of each , so you can have exhaust flash , and muzzle flash when the sound for each is activated.
    Hope all are well , Good Building and Best to All
    Bill. G.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Update โ€ฆon S91 projectโ€ฆ
    2 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ช hermank ( Commodore)
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    Must be detailled instead of ยซย dรฉtaillรฉ eย ยป language problem wit the i phone ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Update โ€ฆon S91 projectโ€ฆ
    2 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ช hermank ( Commodore)
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    Beautifull model and very dรฉtaillรฉe๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Update โ€ฆon S91 projectโ€ฆ
    2 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ BW3 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    I found Model Sounds inc. online , they have a wide selection of sounds and for a small fee can customize your sounds and has the option to purchase software to make your own customized sounds . Their system can be optimized to be removable and placed in different models. I have found them to be very helpful and worth the consideration when choosing to add a sound system .
    Bill G.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Update โ€ฆon S91 projectโ€ฆ
    2 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Very nice. What are you using for the LED/Sound board?
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Update โ€ฆon S91 projectโ€ฆ
    2 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ AllDayFunHobbies ( Recruit)
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    Love all the boat traffic on the site I created. Anybody know me?๐Ÿ˜€ Keep it up, I was US Navy 4 years on DD752, Destroyer, Alfred Cunningham, based in Long Beach, CA 1959 to 1963. Now live So Cal. Call me Marty.
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