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    River Barge
    by Joe727 ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    ๐Ÿ“ Deck completed, main hatch, paint in progress
    3 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    As usual, I have been working on several projects at once so I forget to take progress photos and post. Deck was completed with 3mm baltic birch plywood, I really like working with the better grade of plywood. Cleaner cuts, nicer to finish. Main hatch is in now, motor and gear box fitted and aligned. Painting of hull and deck in-progress, needs some additional detail, possibly some stripping. Would like to get some automotive pinstripping but don't want to go out right now. Thinking about an alternative, maybe just breakdown and hand paint it.

    Mast and boom getting some fittings.

    A few stragglers have somehow slipped aboard when wasn't looking, one of the hazards of the boatyard location.
    Joe ๐Ÿ˜
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Deck completed, main hatch, paint in progress
    3 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    It has come on a long way Joe,
    Well done.
    Keep it up.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Deck completed, main hatch, paint in progress
    3 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I think we're all guilty of forgetting the photos Joe
    Get carried away when the creative 'juices' are flowing๐Ÿ™„
    Good progress, like it๐Ÿ‘
    Re pin-striping, shop here from the comfort of your own 'isolation unit'-
    https://www.amazon.com/Automotive-Pinstriping-Tape/b?ie=UTF8...

    Re Stragglers!
    Oink oink! Having looked at your miniature Old Smokey Barbecue and Smoker I understand why the porker is on board๐Ÿ˜‰ Grilled pork chops for dinner๐Ÿ˜‹
    Smoked rashers for breakfast ๐Ÿ˜‹
    The other stowaways look like a 'prickly problem'! Handle with care๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    BTW, In a previous post you mention 'flo-trol additive' for acrylic paints.
    Wossat? Never 'eard of it and it sounds interesting.

    KUTGW๐Ÿ‘
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    https://www.amazon.com/Automotive-Pinstriping-Tape/b?ie=UTF8&node=15710291
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Deck completed, main hatch, paint in progress
    3 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Ed,
    Thanks for the comments, I would invite you over for some baby back pork ribs but we must maintain the 6,000 mile social distancing between our locations.

    Re: FLOETROL
    This is one of my best finds of the last decade. Received the tip from fellow railroad and car modelers. I used to use expensive hobby oil based paints with my own airbrushes, thinking that that was necessary to stick to plastics and metals, not so! This additive can be added to acrylic "craft" paint for brushing and even use in airbrushes. I have completely switched over to these acrylic paints and can use them in the house without offensive odors or fumes.

    Floetrol costs about $7 USD for a liter and I purchased at my local hardware store. For brushing I add about 5% to the acrylic paint, after several coats it covers nicely with no brushstrokes. For use in airbrushes, I thin with about 40%. The brush painting works so well that I don't use my airbrushes anymore. This works on styrene plastic, wood, metal - yes, despite all of the people out their that say it won't, it does.

    See photos. This product is made in the US, but I would think a similar product must be made elsewhere, do a search.

    As to the photo of craft paints, these are little bottles from the "hobby craft store" and vary in cost from $1 to $2 a piece. At this price you can buy a lot of colors, I still mix colors and brands and have had great luck. Ask more questions if needed.
    Joe
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Deck completed, main hatch, paint in progress
    3 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    "Ed,
    Thanks for the comments, I would invite you over for some baby back pork ribs but we must maintain the 6,000 mile social distancing between our locations."

    Er .. dat wuz lil ol' me Joe๐Ÿ˜‰
    Think Ed is bit closer to you. Shucks, would have enjoyed the ribs๐Ÿ˜‹
    Thanks for the Floetrol info, I'll look into that as I have a lot of Lifecolor acrylic Naval colours.
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    3 months ago by marky ( Captain)
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    Nice build Joe ,stay safe .
    Cheers Marky.๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ“ Resin, parts and pieces, rudder, some paint
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Keep forgetting to take photos, here's some recent work. The hull and decks have now been coated with fiberglass resin. I use "West System" Epoxy Resin 105 and Slow Hardener 206. This is what I have been building 1Meter Racing Yachts out of for years, along with either fiberglass or carbon fiber mat. Since this hull is pretty stout, no need for the fiberglass mat, just use the resin coating for waterproofing purposes.

    While that resin cures for a day or so, I move on to making some parts and doing some painting. Shown are some bollards, a hatch and my power switch housing all made from bits of scrap material. Rudder was made and resin coated as well.

    Painted the pilot house, smoke stack and engine house roof/deck. All painting is brushed and is acrylic paint using flo-trol additive. Numerous thin coats provide for a nice finish.

    Keep up those build logs, they all look great!
    JOE ๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Resin, parts and pieces, rudder, some paint
    4 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Nice work Joe.
    You have done a cracking job, like the detail work.
    I am like you, i too keep forgetting to take photos, then realise when it is to late.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Resin, parts and pieces, rudder, some paint
    4 months ago by MouldBuilder ( Captain)
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    Coming along nicely Joe. I must try to build something like that one day. At the moment I have only tried kits. I will scratch build when I retire. Lovely job Joe.๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Resin, parts and pieces, rudder, some paint
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Peter,
    Thank you for the comments, I appreciate it. Regarding scratch building, I do it for several reasons, one, is that my dad taught me back in the 50's to build just about anything. Second, is that I am frugal, very careful with money as I am retired. But I really enjoy it. You will see that I do not build historically accurate or highly detailed boats like many of this sites builders do. I am more focused and the fun of building and making sure it works from an engineering standpoint. I design the basic hull and play as I go. Sailboats are a particular challenge as they must be carefully designed to work. My mentor taught me about 15 years ago when he was 86! ๐Ÿ‘

    So when you do try it remember to have fun and experiment.
    Joe ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Resin, parts and pieces, rudder, some paint
    3 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Martin,
    Thank you for your comments and continued support, I appreciate it.
    Joe
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    ๐Ÿ“ Tapered mast, smoke stack, pilot house
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Pilot house sides are now glued together, roof was added, it is all styrene construction. Primed and ready for paint and window glazing.

    Mocked up on top of engine house. I have decided to offset the smoke stack to more closely align with my homemade smoker below.

    Smokestack - For the stack I am using a very light weight plastic tube that was a candy container. It is 1" diameter shown with the candy label removed in next shot. I primed it in gray and decided to add some very thin styrene bands for detail, seen as white in photo. This will be primed again and paired in some color, probably black.

    Mast - Next I took a 5/8" dia. birch dowel scrap about 23" long and using some of my old hand planes shaved it to a tapered mast. Had to photograph the shavings, this process is pretty quick and tool about 20 minutes. Hard to see the taper, best seen in the vertical shot.

    More to come, this build has been very helpful during our "shelter in place" mode in California. I've been in isolation for two weeks now and focusing on accepting and not being so stressed by uncertainty. Building things with my hands has been my savior over the years as it is like meditation to me. Help me beat stage 4 cancer recently, keeps my mind focused and intact. Hope you are all doing well and I thank you for this opportunity at social contact.
    Cheers, Joe ๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Tapered mast, smoke stack, pilot house
    4 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    More good stuff Joe, she's coming together very nicely ๐Ÿ‘
    Here's hoping we'll all be able to get out and about again sooner rather than later ... so we can get to the lake/pond and 'sea trial' our latest creations!
    In the meantime stay safe and stick with us Joe.๐Ÿ˜‰

    At least your 'shelter' in The Golden State should be warmer than ours.
    Daytime temperatures here have crashed to freezing point from around 20ยฐc.
    Night-time up (down?๐Ÿ™„) to -6ยฐC โ„๏ธโ˜น๏ธ
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Tapered mast, smoke stack, pilot house
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Doug, We are shivering here in southern CA with cold wet weather 15ยฐc high today and raining, I guess we can handle it for a few days, as it will be a sunny 22ยฐ in a day or so. (Not to rub it in) I grew up in the US Midwest so I am very familiar with cold gray days.
    Thanks for the comments and interest!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Tapered mast, smoke stack, pilot house
    4 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    "We are shivering here in southern CA with cold wet weather"
    That can't be right Joe!?๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    Cos we all know ...
    "Seems it never rains in southern California
    Seems I've often heard that kind of talk before"
    Albert Hammond told us๐Ÿ˜
    On the other hand ...
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    "It never rains in California, but girl, don't they warn ya?
    It pours, man, it pours"๐ŸŒง๏ธ๐ŸŒง๏ธ๐ŸŒง๏ธ๐Ÿ˜

    BTW Can you post the link to your Smoker Blog please?
    You'll see it in the address bar of your browser. Thanks.
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    Albert Hammond - It Never Rains In Southern California (1973) HD 0815007
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Tapered mast, smoke stack, pilot house
    4 months ago by mturpin013 ( Captain)
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    Enjoying the build, coming on very nicely, its always satisfying to make something out of nothing, nice stack
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Tapered mast, smoke stack, pilot house
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Doug, hope this works.

    https://model-boats.com/blogs/49660#49710

    Please note that my early posts using different boxes did not work as well as they should. Wasn't till I got to "Tin Can Madness" that a simple tin began to work well. Tin can is a small tomato paste container, about 2" dia., you figure out how I got the paste out without a can opener! Check it out and see the sketches that I did, ask any questions you wish.

    By the way, mine sat on a dusty shelf for a year, I put in some mineral oil, applied 6volts and it still worked great.
    Joe ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Tapered mast, smoke stack, pilot house
    4 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Great, that works perfectly Joe๐Ÿ‘
    I'll read through it in detail later today when I'm more awake!
    Now past 0240 here so I'm going off watch๐Ÿ˜ด๐Ÿ’ค
    Vice Admiral Ed (Figtree) out of Connecticut HQ now has operational command of our US units. Designated 2 IC is Sub Lt,. Cash of the North Texas Detachment, Red River Patrol Squadron, DFW.

    Re emptying the paste can; I presume the same way the kids here empty eggs to paint them at Easter; make a hole at each end and blow like hell!!๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    I like the tin can idea. Reminds me of a miniature 'Old Smokey' Grill and Smoker๐Ÿ˜‹๐Ÿ˜‹
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Tapered mast, smoke stack, pilot house
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Mturpin,
    Thanks for the comments. I do like to find bits and pieces to use on builds, makes it more fun than buying.
    My builds are more towards the type that are geared toward sailing rather than the great detail that I see on many of the members boats. After a basic rough out of the hull design I just kind of go wherever I want to each day. Makes it more interesting not quite knowing where it will end up.
    Joe
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    ๐Ÿ“ Deck, hatch, pilot house in styrene, yes a smoker...
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Sub-decking installed at stern and bow, 1/8" ply, very stiff. Hatch opening for access to rudder stem and servo built.

    Found my two Smokers that I built as an experiment a year ago (see my build log on smoker last year). Since simple builds never really stay simple, let's add a smoker!

    The newly built rear hatch is now redesigned, cut new deck opening and mounted smoker. Engine enclosure sides were mocked up with cardboard prior to cutting in plywood. Sides glued in place.

    Decided to do the pilot house in styrene as it is easier to do windows and detail. I do a rough pencil layout on graph paper of the basic sizes, then tape it to a printable surface. Wax paper next and as I cut each piece they are pinned in place and glued with styrene liquid cement. Pieces are carefully aligned to keep everything square. The four pilot house sides are shown. Let dry, cure over night. I add detail as I go from my styrene stash. More detail will come once it is assembled and roof added. This will be designed as a lift-off item to access the smoker and rudder access.

    Back to the shop now, stay safe everyone.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Deck, hatch, pilot house in styrene, yes a smoker...
    4 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    You are certainly getting on with it Joe.
    Well done.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Stuffing tube, rudder shaft tube mount
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Brass vertical tube for rudder mount installed. Wood braces use wood glue, the brass tube is epoxyed in place. Same for stuffing tube. I use a 3/16" rod which I cut and thread for 10/24 to use with brass 3 blade props which I had on hand.

    I built the stuffing tube without the typical vertical fill tube. I use white lithium grease to fill the stuffing tube, on my other boats I have found that for routine maintenance I typically remove the shaft and use a hypo type plunger to fill with grease. So I don't use the fill tube...any comments, will I regret this decision?
    Joe ๐Ÿค”
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Stuffing tube, rudder shaft tube mount
    4 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I would think as long as you can get to the rudder to drop it out and then withdraw the prop shaft you should be ok.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ“ River Barge
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Can't resist starting another build as my sailing barge is on hold pending a break in the cold rainy weather so I can do some painting of the hull and deck. In addition, staying home to avoid potential virus contact.

    The video on this site of the boat Juno inspired me, I really liked the boat and the mention of using scape material as much as possible. I found a plan of a Trent Barge and decided to shorten it to make a small river barge. I have been looking for a simple flat bottomed boat for a quick build. My experience building my springer type rescue tug was enjoyable because it was a quick, easy build, so I thought I'd give a river barge a try.

    Photos show progress after just one day, about 5 hours. Used 1/8" baltic birch sides and 1/4" baltic birch bottom with Titebong III wood glue. I think the profile worked out well as I always like to pay particular attention to the sheer. More tomorrow.
    Joe ๐Ÿค”
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: River Barge
    4 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    That is quick work Joe.
    The only problem with quick builds is that you will soon be looking for another project LOL.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: River Barge
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Martin555,
    Yes, so true, my mind is already starting to wander. I always have a stack of potential projects in mind, keeps me out of trouble!

    Thanks for the interest.
    Joe ๐Ÿ˜
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: River Barge
    4 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Joe,
    What are the measurements of your river barge ?

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: River Barge
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Martin,
    Its not a big boat - 7" (178) beam, 28" (710) length, 3.5" (90) depth.

    Size was partially determined by what plywood scraps I had, nothing longer than 30". Did not want to have to go out to the store, everything on this build will be from stuff I find in my small shop. ๐Ÿค”
    Joe
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: River Barge
    4 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Joe,
    Nice size, i assume it will be radio controlled.
    I always like the idea of making things from scraps and offcuts.
    There is something about starting with a pile of bits and ending up with something that you can be proud of.
    I will be following this build log.
    Keep up the good work.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: River Barge
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Yes, it will be RC. Scrounging thru my old parts boxes, I plan to use this 540 brushed motor with an old Great Plains gear drive, originally for airplane use, I like these to slow down the prop. The motor is a rock crawler 55t for a nice slow, high torque. I use these on my tugs as well. Bought them about 15 years ago before they were discontinued.
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    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Meant to add photo of motor and gear drive.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: River Barge
    3 months ago by Escrich ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Where to buy motor and gearbox?
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: River Barge
    3 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    I purchased the 540 motor and gearbox about 15 years ago at a hobby shop that closed years ago. The motor is the type used in rc cars and trucks and can be found on ebay and on on-line hobby stores. 540 refers to the size of the motor. The gearbox was a type sold for use in early electric airplanes. Unfortunately it was discontinued even at the time I bought it.

    I have been trying to find a suitable alternative gear box, but no luck so far. Will post once I find something.
    Joe
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