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    'FAIRACRE' BROADS CRUISER (BATES LOOK ALIKE) RESTORATION
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    πŸ“ 'FAIRACRE' BROADS CRUISER (BATES LOOK ALIKE) NEW MOTOR AND ESC
    17 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Goes a lot better with the new 550 45T brushed motor. Prop is a Graupner medium/fine pitched 40mm 2 blade, battery is a 2200mAh LiPo 2s. Runs and turns very well, and the new chine spray rails do a good job of keeping the boat dry. Later on I'll invest in a Hobbywing ESC for better reverse action (current El Cheapo car one is a bit slow at times) Still a few more things to add yet.
    R/C 'FAIRACRE' BROADS CRUISER LAUNCH, NEW 550 MOTOR FITTED
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    16 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    You know me too well Martin 😁 Still may chuck in a smoky exhaust if I get bored😁😁

    JB
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    17 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    JB,
    I will admit it is a nice looking boat.

    The only reason you are thinking of scaling it up is so you can fit some more doodads in LOL!!!!

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    17 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Martin, was a bit breezy today and a mite cold (about 17c) but we have become used to temps in the high 20s for almost a year of near drought, so anything under 20 seems freezing now. We are normally around 12c at this time of year. Wind was about 10mph but didn't bother the boat at all, and it runs very cleanly. Tempted to buy the plan and scale it up to 40" but I think I have enough models already, - but you never know😁

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    17 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    She looks good on the water to me JB.
    You have a very nice peaceful place there for your boats.

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    πŸ“ 'FAIRACRE' BROADS CRUISER (BATES STARCRAFT) MORE UPGRADES
    19 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Fitted the new cabin lights and the RC switch which is just a micro servo operating a micro switch, (looks primitive but works perfectly) This is hooked through a small VR which enables the voltage to the LEDs to be adjusted to suit. The LEDs are stripped down 5mm white Xmas tree lights which are perfect for the job. The wiring looks horrendous but is unseen, it also allows repairs or replacement without having to destroy anything. If I painted it all white it would look better but serve no real purpose.

    The tape is just to hold some of the wires from sagging, and to allow some slack if the roof needs to be removed. I always build things to be able to add mods later if required, and usually don't permanently attach any internal wiring, as I find masking tape painted over holds things in place and can be easily removed years later if required. The cabin can be removed easily by unplugging the blue RCA plug (lights) and the servo lead to the battery monitor on the dash/firewall.
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    19 days ago by Newby7 ( Rear Admiral)
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    I like it.Well done.
    Rick
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    19 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    JB,
    I like the recycling of the Christmas tree LED's
    And the painted tape idea.
    I have used tape to hide wiring before and if trimmed neatly then painted no-one will know, and as you say easy to change wiring then re tape and paint.

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    πŸ“ 'FAIRACRE' BROADS CRUISER (BATES STARCRAFT) MORE UPGRADES
    21 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Decided to do a bit more towards the refit by fitting a new motor. The old Graupner Monoperm was too slow, so it now has a 550 45T brushless and new car ESC (El Cheapo, might fit a Hobbywing later) I've removed the original glow engine mount (it actually came adrift after I had made the cutout for the new mount, and was trying to cut the age hardened brass bolts for the old anti vibration plate, -even better!) New motor has more than enough power, and will enable cruising at very low throttle. The original Bates twin V8 boats were capable of around 25knts, so this should not look too much out of place, moving at a reasonable pace.

    Made the new ply mount and realigned the new motor and propshafts. Had trouble with my usual reinforced silicone tube coupler as the prop shaft didn't protrude enough for a decent grip. I ended up using the crappy spiral coupling which had come with the jet I fitted in the Hartley, and having to balance it using a big cable tie. Still vibrates a small amount but not critical. I changed the prop to a much smaller 2 blade, as the other was a high pitched racing prop to gear up the slow monoperm.

    I also removed the 70s Graupner ESC (works perfectly but quite large) to fit the car ESC, plus a bit of surplus wiring. I'll be fitting LED lighting instead of the old grain of wheat bulbs and running them through a small VR so as to be adjustable. Might fit an air/smoke/water exhaust if I get the urge as there is plenty of room inside to play with. I've also added a Hextronic RX battery monitor to the dash area, just as a power on/off light. Still a few more additions to come. It's not as quiet as it was before, but will go a heck of a lot better.
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    20 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Mike, the clever Chinese put both grub screws on the same side in a light alloy coupling, so when you spin them fast they vibrate quite badly. They are only really made for small slow speed drives such as home type CNC routers with small stepper motors etc. They are also cut in a particular hand, so if you spin them the wrong way fast with a load on, they can try and unwind and distort.

    The jet unit in the my Hartley model came with one, which was the wrong hand for the jet unit, and vibrated so badly it was unusable. I had no luck finding a suitable precision coupling to fit the gap between mount and shaft, so I ended up making a coupling using silicone tube inside a firm plastic tube. It runs quite smoothly with the 3000kv in-runner which can reach 30A static.

    Very hard to find a coupling which runs smoothly (planes are the same with the prop adaptors) as the Chinese insist on making their shafts or coupling holes undersize or oversize. It's a real pain with plane motors as balance is critical. A lot of Chinese motors have slop in the shafts brand new. They can't seem to grasp the idea that say, a 4mm ID bearing will take a 4mm shaft with a polish, they insist on taking .02 off the shaft to make it fit, (possibly for ease of assembly ?) I think perhaps if you want a precision coupling you have to go German.

    JB
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    21 days ago by mturpin013 ( Rear Admiral)
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    I'm puzzled by the cable tie surely the spiral coupling wasn't that bad to require quite a large piece of plastic to balance it?
    Not a criticism just an observation
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    21 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    JB.
    She is definitely a nice looking boat.

    Martin555.
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    21 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Martin, it doesn't really need any support as it has an 8mm OD thick walled outer with a 4mm shaft. only hangs out by about 3". It has a good amount of epoxy holding it in anyhow. It had been used with a glow motor or diesel originally, but I took the shaft out and replaced it with a better one as the original had worn out the bushes. Boat is only 30" long x 8"wide. Would probably be nice in a bigger scale, as there are plenty of nice features you could add. (see pic)

    JB
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    21 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi JB,
    You certainly have a serious case of Tinker-itus LOL!!
    I noticed you have no 'P' or 'A' bracket on the outer prop shaft.
    Perhaps it it not long enough to need one it is difficult to tell/work out the scale.

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    πŸ“ 'FAIRACRE' BROADS CRUISER (BATES LOOK ALIKE) RESTORATION AND CURRENT REFURBISHMENT
    6 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Fittings all 'chromed', spray rails and toe rails finished, and 'Star Craft' decal made (might need re-doing, hard to get it looking good in such a small size) First one I did was on clear sheet which looked good, but came out black when applied on the varnish. I tried the white which came out ok colour wise but with the usual rough edges from having to cut them to shape. Hardly ever looks good on very small decals. Best way is to use a white background and the clear decal sheet, (bit hard to do in this instance). One day we might be able to print white.
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    6 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Fun fact Martin, a young guy, ( Sam Morgan) started that site with his father (Gareth -who had plenty of dosh and helped him get started) he later sold it to Fairfax media (Aust) for $770m - not a bad profit!!😊 (not to mention the millions he made while he ran the site)

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    6 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Jb,
    it is only worth me looking at that site if the models are the same price as a Margarine tub LOL!!!

    Martin555.
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    6 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    That's the one Martin, check out the r/c boats for sale , might be something of interest. Been a few interesting models quite cheap lately. Been tempted, but have enough already😁

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    6 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Jb,
    The site you refer to dose it have a little blue Kiwi legging it across the top left screen ?

    Martin555.
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    6 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Martin, they were left-over curtains from a Graupner 'Commodore' I built in 1978. Knew if I kept them long enough, I'd find a use for them😁

    I was tempted to buy the blue one which was on our 'Trade Me' sellers site,- sort of like a Kiwi E-Bay, - (see if you can look at it from there - no I don't mean with binoculars MartinπŸ˜‚) Might possibly have been my old one as there were probably not many sold in NZ due to the huge price in those days, (I bought it tax and duty free while working on Norfolk Island)

    JB
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    6 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Jb,
    I don't think you mentioned how you did the curtains for this beauty.

    Martin555.
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    6 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Boat was 'hauled out' and went into the shed for a bit of work. Progress so far, - chine spray rails fitted, along with port toe rail, (stbd toe rail varnished and ready to go on). Hull re sprayed, old interior lighting wiring removed and 'propspeed' applied to prop and rudder. Preliminary 'Star Craft' decal printed. Cabin carpets cut to shape.
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    6 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Jb,
    you certainly can turn out some real master pieces.
    Well done.

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    6 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Think I may have found the boat this was modelled off. I had a thought that it was modelled on a Bates 'Star Craft' cruiser, and having tracked down the star craft owners club, I found this photo on their site which might support that thought. Main difference with the model is that it is a hard chine hull (probably for ease of modelling) whereas the Bates is semi displacement. Everything else is pretty much the same. Fun fact, Bates Star Craft were made to be a British competition for Chris Craft cruisers. Very well made with laminated double diagonal mahogany or teak hulls on Oak frames, and nicely fitted out .

    JB
    http://www.bates-starcraft.co.uk/birth-of-the-star.html
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    6 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Jb,
    Looks like your time researching has paid off.

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    6 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Seeing there is not a huge amount going on at the moment, I thought I might put up a timeline of the restoration of an old M/M plan built 'Fairacre' launch, which was found in a farm rubbish bin, and given to me by a fellow plane club member. I did the restoration quite a while back but never put it together on the site, (only a few pics in my harbour).

    The boat was almost completely rotten as it had been sitting in a bin outside for years, so it needed a lot of work. I first de-moulded the inside which was black and washed it all out. It was then left in the sun for a few weeks for the balsa to dry thoroughly. Next thing was to repair the hull, which required cutting out the rotten sections and re sheeting them. Other areas were ground out and filled where necessary.

    The prop shaft was renewed and then the hull was glassed and painted. The inside was coated with 'Everdure' timber sealer/preservative to kill any mould in the balsa and toughen it. The rear rubbing strakes were replaced with dowelled in varnished hardwood and a rubbing strake fitted to the gunwale. The deck was sanded back, the plank lines re-drawn and the deck varnished again. The hull was painted inside with grey enamel which improved it somewhat.

    The cabin was almost a write-off as the front part had warped out of shape. This required adding small sections of thin ply and veneer to get the deck line anywhere near straight. The cabin saloon roof was cut off to allow access to the inside (and to later re-do the windows). The cabin sides were sanded back as far as possible and then re-varnish/stained with 4 coats to try and hide the ply weather staining defects.

    The inside was carpeted (left over grass from my sons model layout) and the seats painted (don't ask me why I painted them moroonπŸ˜€). The cabin roofs were sanded back and repaired, then painted and re-fitted with blocks and screws so as to be removable. They had been planked originally but were pretty rough, so paint was the best option. New windows were installed after re-shaping and repairing the openings in most of them, and some left-over Graupner 'Commodore' curtains (from 1978) were used to cover the windows.

    The old Graupner monoperm motor was re fitted after a tidy up, although it's pretty knackered as the bushes are worn out. It still runs very quietly and pushes the boat at a decent speed, so saved having to buy a new motor. I used my old 1978 Futaba FP-MC llB 12-24v 10A ESC which still works perfectly, to run the motor from a 3s Lipo and a Sanwa servo for the rudder. The main power switch is a 12v car aux switch hooked to the ESC, and the output from the ESC run to a stereo speaker connector, then to the motor (simple to disconnect) The TX used is a 2.4 TGY (Flysky) 6x, converted to twin throttles (used on the MTB as well)

    The lighting is a mixture of LEDs (nav/running lights/dash-top power indicator) and grain of wheat bulbs for the 3 cabins. The are all independently controlled from an 8 way micro PCB switch and have resistors to balance the lights. I also fitted a mast,, grab rails, a few deck ornaments, and made a boarding ladder for the transom.

    The model is far from perfect, but considering it's previous state I think it's a slight improvement. The boat runs nicely and is very quiet as well. The original builder made a good job of it and used ply frames and 4x4mm hardwood stringers which probably saved it from extinction.

    While I'm waiting for the sampan to arrive from China, I am going to make a start on a small refurbishment and tidy up a few bits. I'm going to fit a spray rail on the chine, a toe rail, simplify the lighting (all LEDs switched from the TX), better on off switch and tidier wiring, anchor, bow roller, new motor, new interior and whatever else needs improving. Wouldn't mind actually getting hold of a plan (still available) and scaling one up to 40" and 'Starcrafterising' it, - would make a nice and unusual model.
    R/C 'Fairacre' launch
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    6 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Good find Baz, I have kept all my old plans/assembly drawings as well (mostly Graupner boat and plane assembly plans, along with other plane kit and scratch plans ) I may just purchase a plan from Sarik if they still have one, for next winters' project, and as mentioned, scale it up a bit, (if we can still get balsa!). In short supply here at the moment. If it comes to the crunch, there's always f/glass and plastic, but I prefer wood.

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    6 months ago by Shipyard Baz ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Just found the plan for the Fairacre ll. Thought it was five bob, but it was five & a tanner
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    Re - you have certainly worked your magic on this one

    Thanks Martin, but I only attempted it because I had never seen another one like it, and I cant resist 'orphans' in needπŸ˜‚

    JB
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    Re - I think I would have used it as firewood.πŸ˜†

    Would have been gone in a flash Graham, wouldn't have even made good kindlingπŸ˜‚

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    6 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Baz, looks good and an interesting conversion. Looks like a good project for you to restore with modern gear. I think this one may have been built around the same time but I've never seen another one here. I wondered if it might have come from the UK as it doesn't seem like a usual subject for NZ modellers.

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    6 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Thanks Colin, I won't tell you what I said when the guy gave it to me and my finger went through the hull😁

    JB
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    6 months ago by Colin H ( Vice Admiral)
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    You have given a new meaning to restoration, it's a fine piece of workmanship and now you have a beautiful broads cruiser.
    Well done shipmate, Colin.
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    Nicely done, I made the Fairacre ll, around 1970, the only boat plan I ever purchased (5/-) five bob. Still have the plan, here's mine but with my centre cabin conversion, the photo is dated 1977c. The motor was a Decaperm Geared and Macgregor MR200 transmitter, single-channel (Deac). Still have the hull!
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    6 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Jb,
    That is a very nice boat.
    It is hard to believe considering the state she was in before.
    You have certainly worked your magic on this one.

    Well done.

    Martin555.
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    6 months ago by Graham93 ( Commodore)
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    JB,

    Master of the understatement: β€œconsidering it's previous state I think it's a slight improvement” !

    Nice restoration. Amazing what can be achieved with a little determination πŸ‘ I think I would have used it as firewood.πŸ˜†

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