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I am sure I have seen one very much like yours I will let you know if I can find it again.
Cheers Jon
Cheers Jon
j a Easter.
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Hi Muskrat yes l agree the keels on the sarik boat plans seem to be much deeper and as you say the stern and rudder are different.
l still think that it is a type of Bristol cutter just from its overall shape and rig but as l previously mentioned it may be the original builders idea and a one off.
We have some very clever chaps on this site and more joining everyday l bet some one will recognise her.
stay safe all, Jim.
l still think that it is a type of Bristol cutter just from its overall shape and rig but as l previously mentioned it may be the original builders idea and a one off.
We have some very clever chaps on this site and more joining everyday l bet some one will recognise her.
stay safe all, Jim.
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Hi I am building a Sarik model Bristol Pilot Cutter at the moment and it is based on the Breeze the picture I have just looked at is not either a Breeze or Katie as the stern is not the right shape as the rudder goes from top to bottom outside the Hull.
Regards
Jon.
Regards
Jon.
j a Easter.
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Hi chaps thankyou for all your interest in the pilot cutter l did look the sarik plans it seems to fall between the two. l think that a rather worthy shipmate has found a kit or just a hull and has put their own spin on it.
l went down the rabbit hole of looking them up on you tube wow! there were some wonderfull boats out there, elderly ladies looking better now than when thier keels were first laid down.
I think like most of us we have something on the back burner this is going to be one of them for a while.
My Riva points accusing fingers at me then the Chris craft runabout joins in. The Pilot boat will just have to wait its turn.
Stay safe, Jim.
l went down the rabbit hole of looking them up on you tube wow! there were some wonderfull boats out there, elderly ladies looking better now than when thier keels were first laid down.
I think like most of us we have something on the back burner this is going to be one of them for a while.
My Riva points accusing fingers at me then the Chris craft runabout joins in. The Pilot boat will just have to wait its turn.
Stay safe, Jim.
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Hi Derek!
Poah! You have it under control with the types of sailing ships !!!
Greets Michel-Claude
Poah! You have it under control with the types of sailing ships !!!
Greets Michel-Claude
if you don't ask, you won't get an answer!
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Hi Jim,
Here is another one by Sarik - https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/bristol-channel-pilot-cutter-hilda-2-by-david-alderton/
These give all the measurements of the models - not sure whether yours fits in with either of these.
Derek.
Here is another one by Sarik - https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/bristol-channel-pilot-cutter-hilda-2-by-david-alderton/
These give all the measurements of the models - not sure whether yours fits in with either of these.
Derek.
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Here is a link to Sarik Hobbies' plans, etc., for a model 'Breeze' -https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/breeze-bristol-channel-pilot-cutter-by-dave-alderton/
Derek.
Derek.
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Michel-Claude has PM'd me with a picture of 'Penn Duick' which, I believe, was a fench Pilot Cutter and was completely different to the Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter. Have a look at this link for details and terrific pictures of 'Breeze', a typical Bristol Channel boat - https://woodenships.co.uk/sailing-yacht/bristol-channel-pilot-cutter-breeze/
I will see if I can find a link to a model boat and post it.
Derek.
I will see if I can find a link to a model boat and post it.
Derek.
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Hello Jim,
I like your sailor a lot, what happens now? What you up to??
Greets Michel-Claude
I like your sailor a lot, what happens now? What you up to??
Greets Michel-Claude
if you don't ask, you won't get an answer!
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Hi Paults yes a very nice time lots of family and friends sharing food drink and some embarassing memories. The weights are a little difficult to examine in the boat, from the looks of them they appear to be pieces of round brass bar cut into sections to make up a required weight. The sail control cord is threaded through in a vertical zig zag pattern on brass rollers. so as the sail moves further out one will lift to its maximum then the next one will move upwards. When the sail starts to return the weights drop back and take up the returning sail control thread.
I hope this helps stay safe all, Jim.
I hope this helps stay safe all, Jim.
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Hi Jim, I hope you had a nice Christmas. Do you know what those sail control weights are made of it is difficult to tell from the pictures?
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hi paults l have never come across this type of sail control thats why l put it up on the forum.
The make up of the parts is homemade, its to rough and ready to have been commercially produced, maybe it was somebodies idea and it never took off.
stay safe chaps Jim.
The make up of the parts is homemade, its to rough and ready to have been commercially produced, maybe it was somebodies idea and it never took off.
stay safe chaps Jim.
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Hi Tony the boat has a servo for the rudder. l dont want to dissapoint any body but l wont be able to get on with getting it shipshape till l have completed two other boats that keep giving me very accusing looks.
if anyone is really interested in the sail control give me a pm and l will try to give more info and closer pictures by taking the complete things out of the boat.
stay safe Jim.
if anyone is really interested in the sail control give me a pm and l will try to give more info and closer pictures by taking the complete things out of the boat.
stay safe Jim.
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Hi Paults, we will have to see what Jim does with this sail control set up, I've never come across it before. It appears to operate to spill the wind if the wind gets too strong. I can't see how the boat would sail on a reach or close hauled unless it was rudder controlled. It's over to you Jim -perhaps you can do some dry land sailing to figure out how it's supposed to work!
Tony A...........
Tony A...........
Tony A.....
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Hi Jim,
This method of sail control looks ideal to me, so good in fact that surely there must be a downside but I can't see it, perhaps one of the more experienced members can. This would mean that only the rudder and an auxiliary prop motor if there was one would require RC.
This method of sail control looks ideal to me, so good in fact that surely there must be a downside but I can't see it, perhaps one of the more experienced members can. This would mean that only the rudder and an auxiliary prop motor if there was one would require RC.
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Hi Jim,
I stick by what I said in that she is a Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter. Unfortunately, I can't remember who did (or possibly still does) the kit. Perhaps someone else could enlighten us there.
Derek.
I stick by what I said in that she is a Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter. Unfortunately, I can't remember who did (or possibly still does) the kit. Perhaps someone else could enlighten us there.
Derek.
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Hi,
On the weight of the keel, may I suggest that you place it in a filled bath and add weight to it until it floats to the waterline? Then remove the weight and weigh them. I take a small amount of the resultant weight to allow for trimming.
I hope this makes sense.
Best of luck
Edward
On the weight of the keel, may I suggest that you place it in a filled bath and add weight to it until it floats to the waterline? Then remove the weight and weigh them. I take a small amount of the resultant weight to allow for trimming.
I hope this makes sense.
Best of luck
Edward
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Hi chaps as requested a few more pictures and some measurements. these are all in inches.
She is 37 ins from nose to tail. bow sprit is another 10 ins
7ins ins deck to keel bottom.
53 ins from deck to very top of mast.
and a beam of 12 ins.
l have looked over it a little more it has a slot along the keel 24 ins long where a weighted keel was fitted, unfortunatly this is missing l will need a little help on how to determine the weight l will need.
l am sure this was a kit as the the hull is fiberglass and the mast and booms are made of doweling. Also the sails are of nylon material.
stay safe chaps JIm.
She is 37 ins from nose to tail. bow sprit is another 10 ins
7ins ins deck to keel bottom.
53 ins from deck to very top of mast.
and a beam of 12 ins.
l have looked over it a little more it has a slot along the keel 24 ins long where a weighted keel was fitted, unfortunatly this is missing l will need a little help on how to determine the weight l will need.
l am sure this was a kit as the the hull is fiberglass and the mast and booms are made of doweling. Also the sails are of nylon material.
stay safe chaps JIm.
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Hi Jim!
Can you snap a few photos and show the whole thing from a different side, please?
I think this idea is great! 👍👍😊😊
Also from me relaxing holidays and a happy new year 2022.
Go on tinkering. . .
Best regards
Michel-Claude
Can you snap a few photos and show the whole thing from a different side, please?
I think this idea is great! 👍👍😊😊
Also from me relaxing holidays and a happy new year 2022.
Go on tinkering. . .
Best regards
Michel-Claude
if you don't ask, you won't get an answer!
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Hi Jim, as for the cutter it's likely late 19th early 20th century, anywhere between 40 and 50ft long, possibly an Irish sea boat. Re the sail control -first time I've seen one fitted like this. Given the depth of the model (you don't say how long overall it is) in relation to its beam it could have been intended as a static display model. The sail area is such it could easily be knocked on its beam ends, so I think the method used is weighted to spill wind and keep the boat more of less upright.
Looks interesting! Tony A..........
Looks interesting! Tony A..........
Tony A.....
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Hi Jim,
She looks like a Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter. What length is she? That's an amazing sail control - never seen anything like it before!
Derek.
She looks like a Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter. What length is she? That's an amazing sail control - never seen anything like it before!
Derek.
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You did find a lovely built model. Interesting concept and looks to be well made. Lookin forward to hearing more about this method.
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Hi chaps did it again accompanied a chum of mine to look at a boat that was up for sail. Again on the way there, no l dont need any more boats was the mantra l kept repeating, well this little lady made me into complete fibber.
l seem to have found my cocaine, l cant resist a late 19th early 20th century small working craft. she is a little neglected but later on next year she will have a lot of affection poured all over her.
together with my Maryvonne lobster boat l will be glad to have rescued them both back from being unloved and abandond.
I have put up a couple of pictures one of the boat and the other of the sail control mechanism l have never seen anything like this before. lt moves a couple of sliding weights up and down, harder the wind blows the more sail control line is let out less wind the weight draw the sails back in. l know that one of you chaps will not only tell me what type of gaff rigged pilot boat it is and dose anyone recognise the the sail control mechanism.
Please stay safe and have a very merry christmas. Jim.
l seem to have found my cocaine, l cant resist a late 19th early 20th century small working craft. she is a little neglected but later on next year she will have a lot of affection poured all over her.
together with my Maryvonne lobster boat l will be glad to have rescued them both back from being unloved and abandond.
I have put up a couple of pictures one of the boat and the other of the sail control mechanism l have never seen anything like this before. lt moves a couple of sliding weights up and down, harder the wind blows the more sail control line is let out less wind the weight draw the sails back in. l know that one of you chaps will not only tell me what type of gaff rigged pilot boat it is and dose anyone recognise the the sail control mechanism.
Please stay safe and have a very merry christmas. Jim.
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