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    (Other) Sharpie
    by Nerys ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ( Captain)
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    30" (76.2 cm)
    2 years ago
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    Scratch built model of a typical East Coast of America sharpie. Used as a general work/ fishing boat. Fitted with topsails a few weeks after original launching. Appears to have greatly improved performance, but there was rather too much wind for a fair assessment and my partner had no desire to go wading in the lake. (5/10)


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    1 month ago by ianed57 ( Midshipman)
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    This is another very interesting boat Nerys. I have long wanted to have ago at Munroe's Egret, in fact I actually built the hull but was never confident I could get the sail area/ hull weight ratio to anything like satisfactory- she was quite a light displacement hull. I would be interested to learn more about this boat. ie, design, sail area, displacement etc. Does she have a bulb keel and are the sails winched synchronously? I attach a picture of my unfinished Egret which has since been scrapped.
    Ian
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    1 month ago by Nerys ( Captain)
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    My sharpie was 30" long, quite light. I fitted her with the bulb and fin for a Helion Aura. Both sheets went to the one servo. When I first built her. she was a bit undercanvased, so I fitted topsails which gave a greatly improved performance. The masts are easily removable, just dropping in to a piece of copper tube, so, I have it in mind to make an alternative Bermudan rig one of these days. Pity you scrapped your Egret, she looks nice.

    All the best, Nerys
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    1 month ago by ianed57 ( Midshipman)
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    Sorry Nerys, missed this. Thanks for the information about your Sharpie. Yes, when I looked again at the photo of Egret I wonder why I gave up on it. I still have the drawings I did so, maybe one day.

    Ian

    PS One of the things that attracted me to Egret was the unstayed rig.
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    1 month ago by Nerys ( Captain)
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    That's the beauty of a lot of small inshore working boats, an unstayed rig. A lot of the American East Coast craft, some Scandinavian boats and a lot of British fishing boats, particularly those launched off a beach the Mediterranean lateenos and probably hundreds of others had no standing rigging. The low, simple spritsail or lugsail had no need for it.

    Cheers, Nerys
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    1 month ago by ianed57 ( Midshipman)
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    You mention that your sharpie is scratch built and I'd be very interested to know what lines you used and how much she weighs with the keel. I think I probably gave up too easily with Egret. It too was to have a fin and bulb keel like a model racing yacht but did have an open cockpit. I notice you mention the problems of modelling open types elsewhere on this site.
    I have a wonderful book about British inshore craft but I hesitate to mention its name.๐Ÿ˜€
    Ian
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    1 month ago by Nerys ( Captain)
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    Hi Ian, I have a book on American sharpies and in my head designed a boat based on several different ones. Apart from a few odd measurements, there were no lines, I literally built from scratch. Weight, I would guess about 5- 6 Kg.

    Cheers, Nerys
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    1 month ago by ianed57 ( Midshipman)
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    Clever stuff! I have various sharpie books including the Ruel Baker(?) one. I have just dug out my file on Egret and realise what a lot of work I had done in calculating sail areas, displacement, CLR etc- I wonder if I over think these things! The lines for Egret were taken from a book of plans published by Wooden Boat magazine. The hull was 42'' long and would have weighed about 9 1\2lbs, so quite light. I feel sorely tempted to revisit the project. It was a cat schooner, both sails being pretty much the same so control would be fairly easy, and as I said, plug in masts.
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    1 month ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Go for it Ian๐Ÿ‘
    You KNOW you want to๐Ÿ˜Š
    Great shame that you 'wasted' that hull๐Ÿ˜ฎ
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    1 month ago by ianed57 ( Midshipman)
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    I know! What was I thinking? Looking again at my file I had obviously thought about a bigger model at some stage and this would work better of course. So out with pencil, paper and ruler. It's a flat bottomed boat so quite easy to scale up.

    Nerys, it's Ruel Parker not Baker, and he designed a slightly beefier Egret and I have the table of offsets for that, so will have a look. It would give me a couple of pounds more displacement.
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    1 month ago by Nerys ( Captain)
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    Ian, a bigger Egret, actually, I built one about 40 years ago. She was 43 ft long with 9ft beam and so similar in shape to your Egret. She was rigged as a cat schooner with two standing lugsails. She had leeboards. I had a 15hp petrol/paraffin Yamaha outboard fitted in a trunk under the cockpit as an auxiliary, Very comfortable accomodation, solid fuel stove etc. I have some photos somewhere, I'll do my best to find them and post them on here.

    Nerys
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    1 month ago by ianed57 ( Midshipman)
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    Hi Nerys,
    That would be very interesting to see. Forty three foot is quite a boat.
    My original Egret hull was 34" and I'm now planning to build at 42", ie 1:8 instead of 1:10. I calculate that that would give a weight of around 9.25lbs. I must say, seeing your nice sharpie model has made me feel keen to persist with this, although I have a fair few unfinished projects!

    All the best,
    Ian
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    1 month ago by Nerys ( Captain)
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    Ian, pleased that seeing my sharpie has inspired you to have another go. Ruel Parker's book is very good, I have a copy, but I think Howard Chapelle's, American Small Sailing Craft, their design and construction, is more comprehensive. My real sharpie was inspired by designs in that. Pleased you found some information on Tumlaren, they are nice boats, but never very prolific in the UK. What a contrast! sharpies and tumlaren,

    Nerys
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    1 month ago by ianed57 ( Midshipman)
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    Hi Nerys,
    I too have the Chapelle books but find the drawings and offsets a little difficult to make out. Yes, I am seriously thinking of having another go at Egret. Let's be honest, I'm going to do it. When I beat myself up about unfinished projects my wife Jane always says, 'But it's your hobby, you can do what you want.'
    I have all the templates for a 34" model but, as I said, I think I will go to 42" giving the boat more chance of success. In normal times I'd just whip down to the copy shop and get them enlarged but for now I think it will be easy enough to enlarge by hand as she js a flat bottomed, single chine hull. It's the profile which will be a bit more difficult. I like Muddy's (Speranza and Gwen Eagle) idea of a retospective build blog so might do that. That way you don't get egg on your face if things don't work out!
    Looks as though the 48" Victorian gaff cutter I started in 1999 will have to wait a bit longer.โ˜น๏ธ
    Ian
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    1 month ago by Nerys ( Captain)
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    Hi Ian,

    That sounds good, shouldn't be any problem to enlarge, simplest boat form there is really. Glad you don't have any problems with the number of boats you build, I'm lucky that way too. I gave my full size sharpie 'Gwahaniaeth' a fair bit of rocker in her bottom, thinks it improves ability to tack. What rig are you thinking about?. I think a two masted rig is preferable on a biggish sharpie, but that's only my opinion.

    All the best, Nerys.
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    1 month ago by Nerys ( Captain)
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    Ian, missed your earlier comment about a very good book on Inshore Craft. Could it be 'Inshore Craft of Britain in the Days of Sail and Oar' vols 1 and 2 by Edgar March. Roger Finch's 'Sailing Craft of the British Isles' is another very good one, nice illustrations.

    Nerys
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    1 month ago by ianed57 ( Midshipman)
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    Hello Nerys,
    The book I was referring to was the Chatham Directory of Inshore Craft. It was published in 1997 and goes round the coasts of Britain describing local types. It is full of lines plans, photos and descriptions but again, expensive. My copy is marked as costing ยฃ35 so don't do anything rash! I haven't see either of the books you mention, I'll look into them, although I have heard of Edgar March. I believe he wrote some volumes on steam trawlers.
    I take your point about the sharpie being a simple shape and it's another reason I wanted to build one, yet Munroe seemed to design a wonderfully elegant craft in Egret and I wanted to capture something of that. I think one reason I gave up on the earlier hull was that I think I failed in that. Perhaps it looks better on paper than in 3D. I scaled the Parker offsets for a 1:8 model so feel inclined to use those, although he doesn't mention a displacement - it's got to be similar to the Wooden boat version. I would use the Munroe rig which is actually described as a cat ketch, both sails being near identical with a fairly high peaked gaff and a sprit instead of a boom on each. It looks more elegant to me than Parker's fully battened sails. The original Egret was only 28.5 feet long, so not really very big, cerainly not as big as yours. It would be fascinating to see photos of that if you have them, sounds a great boat. My first dinghy had a standing lug rig, very handy.
    By the way, it's not the number of boats I build which worries me - it's the number I start! As I said, I have a gaffer I started 20 years ago which has been waiting patiently.

    All the best,
    Ian
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    1 month ago by Nerys ( Captain)
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    Ian. I don't know that book, but will do in a few days time, I've ordered a copy from Abe books, ยฃ17.33 inc. postage. Edgar March wrote one of the definitive books on Thames Barges, 'Spritsail Barges of the Thames and Medway' and as you say, others on trawlers etc. Cat ketch would be a nice rig for a sharpie, I'm not sure about fully battened sails either. Build her this time, please!. I always manage to finish my boats but like now, have been building the hull of a Dutch Schouw at the same time as the stumpy barge. The stumpy is reaching the end stages, fitted the mainsheet and the vangs today as well as the setup for them to the servo. Should have her ready for the water by next weekend. That's a joke of course.

    All the best, Nerys
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