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Hello all,
For all those interested and for those it may help, I attach images of another plan sheet for Hunan I have found showing a folding bulwark.

Not had time to study it fully yet. Hope I can comprehend its working to make it.

Toby

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Hello John

The Waine book, Steam Coaster and Short Sea Traders arrived today but have yet to find the image of the mushroom.

Toby

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Hello John

What wonderful old b&w photos!

Noticed the rivets and liked the example of the mushroom vent.
I must go to the drawing board and plan how to make those vents, 4 struts 4 openings by the look of it forms the top portion.


Re the bollards what is the chamfhered block on which it sits. is that fastened to the deck apart from the rivets of the bollards.

Toby

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Hello John
Thank you for the valuable information and the three photos!
I have found a copy of the book by Waine but was not sure of the volume by Ough.

So a domed top of but slight rather than flat and a rolled rather than square edge to the rim. I have the web in the base plate between the bollards.

Assume that these bollards were bolted rather than riveted to the deck?

Toby

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Thank you Marky

So you believe the dotted line does represent the 10".

I asked, for someone suggested that the bollards may have had domed tops. New to me and the plan seems to indicate flat plate tops.


Toby

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Hello

Can anyone confirm that M.V equates to mushroom vent and know of images of the type used in the 1930s.

Toby

Hello all

Another question trying understand that on the plan.

Looking at the bollards on the plan what does the inner dashed circle represent. It doesn't seem to be of equal dashes indicating the diameter of the bollards trunk and it already states the size in text.

Toby

Glad to be able to log- in again.

Hello John

Thank you for looking through your new books!

The picture you have uploaded is indeed a curious and interesting vessel. I have never seen such before. Could make a great ahs unusual model.

I believe I have the cargo winches sorted and hope to make those next week. Now to sort an anchor winch.

I have asked a number of modellers about folding bulwarks and I have been met with no idea expression each time.
Obviously not something modellers bother with out would seem.

Regards

Toby

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Thank you. I have indeed scrolled to that and it is the file that downloaded without telling me it was or had so.
In the index page 200 mentions collapsible bulwarks and this is found actually on page 212 in the pdf. it seems to refer to lifeboats and albeit a few pages several are blocked from view as are some of the drawings. I believe it said one has to be a member in order to see those pages.
I don't think that the information concerns the ship's bulwark but rather the side of a ship's lifeboat.

What was it that you read?
Am I yet in the wrong link.

T

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If only it showed us a definitive folding bulwark system. it did give some info though. I shall go back to that and note it.

T

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John

I have just read through the whole of the Pursey. Fascinating and helpful with good illustrations.
Toby

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Hello Onetenor

I cannot get the first link to work. it seems to bring up Google and images of hinges.

I have just found a downloaded file on my mobile concerning ship's boats. is this the file to the link you sent?
T

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John

I have just found an uploaded pdf of the book you cite. Off to have a peruse.

Toby

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Thank you Steve and thank you John for the message and the drawing. I shall be intrigued as to what you find in your new book arrivals.

The drawing is very clear and confirms the sort of understanding I had thought from your earlier text.
Clearly the strap hinges however many they be per section would be logical and strong. Steve's farm gate comparison also would serve.

Two other questions arise, namely:
Would there be bulwark supports in these sections because they would have to be removable and fastened?
What is the locking mechanism when the bulwark section is upright in its home position and would there be some sort of keep plate to prevent the bulwark section leaning over the side.

I am just going to look online for the book you mention.

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Hello John

Thank you again. I did appreciate seeing the earlier picture with a different style of opening. The latest image is a delightful period photo is it not. Beautifully lit and good colour with interesting detail.

John, re your view of bulwark hinging would you do me a favour and be kind enough to make a sketch of what you say in order that I might visualise more clearly where and how the fixings would look. From such I would be able to fashion something.

Also, with regard to removable railings when they are in situ, how are they locked or kept in place or do they just rely simply on long stemmed stanchions going in to the deck and the weight of the railings to keep in situ.

T

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Steve and Doug

Thank you. This would be my view also and thus the difficulty arises as to know how they were hinged and fastened.

Toby

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Hello Onetenor,
Thank you for another helpful bit of info. I am not sure what is meant by IIRC though. I asm assuming the hinge runs along the waterway.
T

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John
Your method helped for I found an image of a door of ship yard number 550 and Hunan is 555. Likely Hunan had the same type of door? The ships were 2 years apart.

T

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John
Thank you for the two photos. The second particularly is fascinating because it is the first time I have seen such. These bulwark sections open out but certainly it gives assurance that settings of bulwark were evident.

Toby

In this section of plan one can see sections of removable rails in the bulwarks and the folding bulwarks.

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Hello John

Thank you for looking into this subject on my behalf. Much appreciated!

What did you use as a search online because I have spent time trying to find any helpful cargo loading images and have not found an example. Did you save any of the images. Things like this and even such as correct doors present problems because the details are not on the plans.
If you can give me a lead that would be great.
I will now have another search.

Toby

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Hello all.

I was just going over the plan of the cargo ship, Hunan, and found that I had missed a marking on it stating, 'folding bulwark'. I have attached an image of the plan.

Can anyone tell me about these. I presume that these bulwark sections could be laid flat on the deck to allow anything on the derrick not to crash into the bulwark. There are several of these sections in the bulwarks elsewhere and yet I can see no information on how these were held in place, or hinged.

For example its the bulwark section hinged at the bottom to allow the whole to fall to the deck or, does the top rail of the bulwark hinge back on top of the top rail preceding it and then just a flat bulwark panel rests on the deck.

Further how is it all locked in situ as a bulwark.

Any ideas anyone?

Toby

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Thanks for your help.

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Just received a very helpful file transfer from the SOAS Archive in London showing a plan with the changes made to the SS Hunan. Just go to the local copy shop to print the 800mb file.

So the plan issued in the 1990s was that for this later version. interesting considering that the ship was built 1932 and then re- fitted in 1958 and then scrapped 4 years later in 1962. So, unusual that a plan for the short lived version was considered for a model rather than that of its appearance for 26 years.
Toby

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Syringes and needles have arrived and so time to experiment. I will have to alter the rivet detail on the rudder for I have now seen the rudder plan housed in the Glasgow Archives. Very useful! Plus info on dimension and size of rivets etc.

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Very good so far.
The hull has been tested and the prop and rudder tested and now am creating ballast by making lead blocks to suit.

The Glasgow archives had plans and photos and the staff was very obliging. Also I have found that the Swires ship business archive is held in London and they have a plan showing the changes which were made in 1953 or 1958. I cannot determine yet which because the image in the email reply was not of high definition. The staff there to date have been helpful.
Then I will have to decide on whether to proceed with the later fitting out ore finish the superstructure in its original as fitted.
Built in 1932 and scrapped in 1962 clearly it remained in its original fitting twice longer than the time from re- fitting to being scrapped.

Likely this would account for the lack of photos in its second fitting.

Don't have all the details but it largely appears to be an addition of poop deck superstructure and to such on the rear main deck. Needless there will be details lost or added in the area where these rooms were added. So will have to compare and decide and finish the build.
If I can see a copy of the drawing for the revised fitting I will likely make a list and images for the benefit of others in treated in building this vessel.

Toby

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Thank you for your post epmbc. When I visit Liverpool I shall ascertain of a meeting can be arranged once I have found contact details .

Toby

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Happy New Year to you Joburg- sailor.

Toby

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