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    Graupner Elke/Kriegsfischkutter
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    ๐Ÿ“ A couple of better pics
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    A few more pics of the KFK on the water, taken by Steve Davidson. He has an actual camera vs my cell phone, his pics are outstanding.
    Cash
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    ๐Ÿ“ Maiden!!
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Hi yโ€™all. I have a few pics of the KFK on the water. She needed 8 ounces of ballast forward, puts her at 69 ounces all up weight. The first run wasโ€ฆeventful๐Ÿ˜‚. I used a FlySky 3 channel receiver that had given me problems before. I found the antenna loose and soldered it back in placeโ€ฆhowever, I never range checked it. Soooโ€ฆ.when I launched her the first time she lost all signal 5 feet out, and made the prettiest curving run from the bank, to the middle of the lake and back about 100 feet away, I recovered her, found the receiver bad, swapped with a FrSky unit from my Micro Magic, and all was well. I have several of those FlySky 3 channel recievers, no problems except this one, which I got in a trade lot.the pics arenโ€™t great, they are from video captures, but Iโ€™ll post them here and a few better shots next time weโ€™re out in a couple of weeks.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Maiden!!
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Thanks Stephen. My buddy is building a Type VII U-boat, told him to hurry as the KFK needs something to escort๐Ÿคฃ
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    4 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Cashrc,

    Looks great and churning along maybe chasing a possible contact.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Ready for float test, then..maiden!!
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Hi yโ€™all. I was off today as itโ€™s Memorial Day and weโ€™re off that day. My wife stayed up late watching movies and enjoying a little wine, so at 730 am I went down to the shop while the girls slept in.
    I had to remove and re-brush the motor as I apparently dripped either CA or epoxy onto one of the brushes, essentially locking it up. I removed the gearbox, made sure it was okay, cleaned the motor, new brushes, springs and a running in and alls well. This boat is simple, no lights, special functions, etc, just rudder and throttle, though I might add running lights later. I need to add the hatch locks and float test it, and I might add a detail or two this week, but for all intents and purposes sheโ€™s done. The original manual states a max weight of 70 ounces with everything on board, Iโ€™m running 2 6 cell nimh in parallel, that, the boat itself and other gear brings her to 64 ounces AUW. If sheโ€™s stable and at or very close to the waterline Iโ€™ll maiden her at that weight.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Ready for float test, then..maiden!!
    4 months ago by Ron ( Rear Admiral)
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    Looking forward to seeing it on the water.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Ready for float test, then..maiden!!
    4 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Cashrc,
    Looking forward to some on the water pics.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Mast, barrels odds and ends
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Got more done this afternoon. Added a mast, flag, barrels and ships boat. Will do radio install tomorrow AM
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Mast, barrels odds and ends
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Thanks JB. Got the running gear installed today, had the time as I was off for Memorial Day. I found my motor had locked up, I think I must have dripped glue on the brushes on one side. It was very little, but it necessitated the disassembly of the gearbox, new brushes and springs, and then I broke it in while running in a glass of water. Old RC car racing trick, gets all the crud out and helps seats the new brushes. Hat set me back about an hour and a half!!๐Ÿ˜‚
    It runs fine now, I get in a hurry sometimes and thatโ€™s the result.
    Cash
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    4 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Looks great Cash

    JB
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    ๐Ÿ“ Depth charges and sandbags
    5 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Hi yโ€™all. Got a few more details done on the KFK. Built up some depth charge racks that are all almost the same๐Ÿคฃ, added some Tamiya sandbags, a couple of deck boxes, ladders, etc. A few more details then itโ€™s radio install time.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Bits and pieces
    5 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Just a quick look at the bits and pieces Iโ€™m building up for the KFK. A Tamiya 37 mm Flak with a longer barrel and a โ€œmarineโ€ mount, a Tamiya 20mm Flakvierling, some scratch built depth charges and mounts, ans a couple of boxes for the deck, scratch built and repurposed legos. I have much more to do!!
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    ๐Ÿ“ More paint, some railings and guns
    5 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Hi yโ€™all. I took off this week, got some time to build, so I did๐Ÿ˜ the hull and deck is painted, both gun decks are painted, installed and have rails fitted. The Tamiya guns (quad 20mm Flak and single 37mm flak) are built, had to modify both for โ€œnavalโ€ use. The forward gun deck sits on a bunker/shed that I built up from 3mm styrene, support beams will be added later. The aft gun deck stanchions were a little short, I lengthened them with sort bits of brass tubing. The forward stanchions are for twin rails, so the height was okay as is. The paint is mostly done now also.
    Bear in mind this boat is not an exact scale model, itโ€™s representative of the type. From what research Iโ€™ve done the weaponry could vary a bit, and if you look at the pics on the net youโ€™ll see that the configuration of the two gun decks is pretty standard, but after that Iโ€™ve seen boats that look like barely gunned fishing boats to something that would look at home at Jutland if that battle had been fought in a science fantasy setting. Think Warhammer 40,000.๐Ÿคฃ
    Anyway, Iโ€™m at the point where I need to do some deck details, finish the superstructure and add depth charges and equipment..oh, she needs radio equipment too!!
    Cash
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    ๐Ÿ“ Starting gun mods and a little paint
    5 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Hi yโ€™all. I had a little time today to start some of the mods to transform Elke into a Kriegsfischkutter. I started with the aft gun emplacement. This was pretty simple. I cut the lower base from 3mm styrene, then sheeted it with some printed wood left over from a prior build. Once I had it sanded I painted the wood and let it dry, then masked the wood. I then proceeded to build a sideboard out of 1mm sheet styrene. Once that was done, I gules the assembly to after portion of the cabin and added lower supports.I then painted the unit the same shade of gray as the cabin, then removed the masking tape. I need to add railing, guns and finish fitting out the superstructure then that unit is complete. I also painted the deck, then masked it off and painted the bulwarks and upper hull above the waterline. Lots more to come!!
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    ๐Ÿ“ Deck and cabin
    5 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Got the deck on today, trimmed the aft bulwarks to clear depth charges, set up the hatches and got the superstructure built. The superstructure is unique in that the main walls are ply, then a second facia is added to simulate the reinforcement boards thatโ€™s common to this boat. I have to say that the due cutting in this old kit is great, many of the parts just fell out of the sheets and needed very little cleanup.
    Iโ€™m at the point where I start diverging from the stock kit and start scratch building gun mounts and the like.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Graupner Elke/Kriegsfischkutter
    6 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Hi yโ€™all. After my last couple of builds I was looking for something interesting and different to add to my fleet. My buddy Fred (BLKFT1) and I both like unusual subjects. We discussed the Russian monitor Popov, a Siebel Ferrry, and several odd working boats. I looked up the Siebel Ferry, and in my research came across a boat class, the Kriegsfischkutter. This was a class of fishing boats that were converted and built from the keel up as patrol boats for the Kreigsmarin in WWII. This hull had good seakeeping qualities, and many of the boats that survived were sold back to be used as fishing boats. I think some survive to this day. Apparently this was a fairly common practice, the Royal Navy used a trawler hull known as the Admiralty Trawler which was used for minesweeping and ASW duties. The US tended to use specially built warships, but early in WWII we used tuna boats as picket, patrol and errand boats, the venerable Tuna Fleet.
    I was about to convert a Graupner Krabbe Ton kit, but the Elke came up for sale on RCGroups, and since itโ€™s the same hull the Germans used for the Fischkutter, I bought it and prepared to get started.
    Before I go on, let me add that this is an OLD kit, looking at the radio install plans dates it from the late 60s to the early 70s. I know Iโ€™m modifying a bona file unbuilt kit, but in my defense the kit wasnโ€™t perfect, so my conscience is somewhat clear๐Ÿ˜€
    Anyway, the first thing I had to do was trim the hull, and then I had to cut a slot at the stern where the stuffing box and aft support keels slid into.I tacked everything in place, then I made up my motor mount/bulkhead and once everything lined up to my expectations I epoxied everything down solid. I then turned my attention to the rudder. I was going to use a Robbe non scale rudder for ease of building, but the Robbe unit has some of the leading edge of the rudder ahead of the rudder shaft, while the stock rudder rotates right at the leading edge. Since the prop is captured between the keel pieces top and bottom, I would have had to really carve up the Robbe unit to make it work. I decided to use the kit rudder.
    The rudder is assembled from 2 abs halves, trimmed, sanded and glued together. The rudder shaft and tiller arm were missing from the kit, so I had to do it my way. I filled the insides of both rudder halves with sheet balsa. Once sanded to a good fit I made up a 3 mm shaft with a 45ish degree bend at one end. I then cut a slot to fit the shaft into the rudder halves. The bend will guarantee that, if for some reason my glue joints fail, the rudder will not just rotate about the shaft. Once done I jigged up and bonded the rudder tube in place, and added the tiller.
    The motor Iโ€™m using is an old AYK 480 mated to a planetary 3/1 gearbox, which on 2 lipos or a 6 cell nimh should give adequate power and a good run time.
    Iโ€™m building the deck now, it sits nicely in a molded in slot in the hull which alleviates the need for a separate bulwarks. However, I need to cut the bulwark down just aft of the cabin down flush with the deck so I can have a place to mount the depth charges. I am also trying to decide whether to purchase the guns or make my own.
    Thatโ€™s where Iโ€™m at now. Some of the kit superstructure will be used, but I have to scratch build the gun decks, depth charges and such. This is going to be fun!!
    Cash
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Graupner Elke/Kriegsfischkutter
    5 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Thanks for the pics JB. When I was 11 or so we moved to the country, right on the city limits at the time. We had 3 acres, a creek and a load of pecan trees, and plum trees on the north line. I voraciously read everything and anything that had to do with model aviation, and I loved the look of the Graupner models. Couldnโ€™t afford rc back then (1972 or so) but I built a lot of free flight and control line. When I was stationed at Ramstein there were 5 or 6 good hobby shops within 20 klicks or so of the base, I was in heaven. I built Graupner, Robbe and Goldberg planes, and several Graupner and Robbe boats.
    I had a friend and former employer, Jim Furlong, that had an old Commodore sitting in his rc shop window. It sat there for years, getting baked by the hot Texas sun. He gave it to me one day. I took it home, did a little paint and powered it with 2 geared Speed 400 motors. I had it a few years until the Seward side of the hull started coming apart. If I ever find a Commodore kit thatโ€™s not priced like something hanging in the Louvre Iโ€™m buying it!!
    Thanks again buddy, brought back some childhood dreams you did๐Ÿ˜
    Cash
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Graupner Elke/Kriegsfischkutter
    5 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Nice collection JB.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Graupner Elke/Kriegsfischkutter
    5 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Cash, all the old Graupner models came with great full scale construction plans, an electrical /gear layout sheet to go over them (the translucent sheet) and manuals in German and English, (and from memory some other languages as well) I still have the original plan sets from 1978 for a Graupner Cub, Terry, Taxi (planes) a Bell 47 heli a Commodore launch and Optimist One Ton Cup yacht. I've been able to 'reproduce' the cub and Terry from the plans and build them for electric.

    Graupner was the best model making company back then, and everything in their kits was spot on. The Commodore and Optimist both have ABS hulls, the Optimist having an ABS cabin surround to which you applied the mahogany pre-cut pieces. The Commodore had a built up cabin from pre-cut ply and balsa.

    The radio gear in yours would most likely be Graupner Varioprop, as this is what the kits were designed for. I fitted Futaba gear in mine originally. In those days you could buy linear servos (like the rudder servo in your drawings) which were brilliant for tight spaces. Most RC manufacturers made them back then, but not common now unfortunately,- the ones that are available seem to be more like a ram than a servo, are only uni directional, -fwd and back (rather than one arm forward and one arm back.)

    The kits gave you enough actual building work to do to make the model 'personal' Shame they are not still making quality models. Your original radio gear was probably an earlier version of the stuff pictured.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Graupner Elke/Kriegsfischkutter
    5 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Hi JB. Took a good look at the pics you sent, verified that this is an OLD kit. Mine came with a separate plan looks as if itโ€™s some sort of vellum paper, itโ€™s almost translucent, and the old radio equipment is totally unknown to me. Thanks for the info, itโ€™s very interesting!!
    +ash
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Graupner Elke/Kriegsfischkutter
    5 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Thanks for the pics JB. Weโ€™re about to leave to see the new Dr Strange movie, but Iโ€™ll give them a look see when we return.
    Cash
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    5 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Very Nice, Roy
    Beautiful Boat!
    Trev
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    5 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Cash, not sure if you have these ? Thought you might like them to go with the kit info, (I know you're changing it). These are from my late 70s Graupner catalogue.

    JB
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Graupner Elke/Kriegsfischkutter
    5 months ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Roy, thatโ€™s really cool!! ๐Ÿ‘
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    5 months ago by roycv ( Midshipman)
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    Hello you are right the Graupner Elke kit hull is a good one. Just add a keel and the plans for Lilla Dan and Voila!

    Look forward to your finish.

    Regards
    Roy
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