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๐ฌ Re: New fire monitors.
30 days ago by ๐บ๐ธ chugalone100 (
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Very realistic feature that will enhance the looks of your model. ๐ ▲
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30 days ago by ๐ฌ๐ง PeteJev (
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They certainly look the part, shame they would be too big for my smaller Aerokits model๐
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๐ฌ Re: New fire monitors.
30 days ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder (
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Hi Robbob,
Very nice looking fittings and clean castings. Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: New fire monitors.
1 month ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hi Duncan.
"Pity they are not for the 36 inch model which I have!" There are some plastic/styrene fittings for the 34" model, SLEC make some, but it's not a very comprehensive set. I've seen the same in white metal elsewhere, but again very poor โน๏ธ. At the smaller scale the detail is very difficult to achieve. Robbob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: New fire monitors.
1 month ago by ๐ฌ๐ง DuncanP (
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Fabulous and at a reasonable price as well! Pity they are not for the 36 inch model which I have! ๐
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๐ฌ Re: Assembling and finishing the new monitors.
9 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hi Doug.
They are indeed non-functional and are intended to be a very realistic representation of the real monitors. Adding practical features with the level of detail I have used would be difficult (for me) but not impossible for others. Mike Turpin (mturpin013) has produced some monitors that are operational and also have a good level of detail. Robbob. ▲
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9 months ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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Hi Rob,
They look really great๐ But I guess they are non functionalโน๏ธ cos I see no provision for water supply, rotation or raising / lowering? Cheers, Doug๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Assembling and finishing the new monitors.
9 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง luckyduck (
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Looks good, hope they shoot the water well.
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๐ฌ Re: New Fire Monitors, making the pattern.
9 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hi Stephen.
The original fire monitors in pics 4 & 5 are more like representations of the real thing with more regard to sturdiness and practical construction and less regard to accuracy. My new pattern is more realistic and true to scale but possibly not as robust the old 'clumsy' design. White metal castings are very heavy and the alloy is rather weak so ideally they should be cast in something stronger like bronze or perhaps even 3D metal printed but then the cost of production may make them too expensive. Rob. ▲
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9 months ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder (
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Hi Rob,
I am assuming that the original kit part is the red fire monitor in photos 4 & 5, in which case your interpretation is something I can work out how it worked the original kit part I cannot work out how it might have got water to the nozzle. I hope you were reimbursed for your time and effort. Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: New Fire Monitors, making the pattern.
9 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Thanks for your kind words Stephen.
I think the finished pattern looks so much more authentic than the old one which was quite crude by comparison. Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: New Fire Monitors, making the pattern.
9 months ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder (
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Hi Rob,
Beautiful work. Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: New Fire Monitors, making the pattern.
9 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hi Pete.
I can usually get by with my 'drill chuck' lathe, but for anything requiring precision I get my brother to turn it on his lathe. I did contemplate getting a small Warco lathe when one came up for sale in my model club but I really don't have room for one in my small workshop. Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: New Fire Monitors, making the pattern.
9 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Rookysailor (
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Wow Rob, what an excellent job you have made considering you are only using plastic rod, still remember you telling me how you turned brass on your drill connected to the frame, I then also got my self said frame and tried to do what you did, didn't work for me, so I ended up buy a lathe from a friend.
Cheers, Pete๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: A Fan for the Motor
9 months ago by ๐จ๐ญ Mike Stoney (
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Man oh man! oh Rob!
All the ideas that are put forward here! Awesome! Thank you! See you soon, Michel-C. ▲
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9 months ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi (
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Not a bad idea, as it will move the air around, but as Isaac mentioned, you need to get rid of any heat somehow (maybe a small hidden venting fan).
Outrunner motors are generally used for planes and rely on a good supply of air going through the motor to cool the stator, (hence the large holes front and back) which in an outrunner is in the center of the motor. By blowing air mostly over the outside of the can, you are really only cooling the can and magnets. The important part is the stator. You can demonstrate this by running an outrunner hard for about 30 seconds, then check the can temp,- it will usually be warm. Wait a minute or two and check it again, and you will usually find it is hotter, as the heat is transferring from the copper windings on the stator through the bearings to the can. That's a reason why the water cooled mounts bolt to the stator. With an inrunner, the stator is on the outside against the can, so air or water cooling work best. A lot of outrunners will be ok in a boat if not loaded too much, but some (depending on the build/KV) will get very hot without air flowing through them (as in a plane), the same goes for inrunners without cooling. 40-60 deg C is probably as hot as you would want to run either type, but if it's too hot to touch after a run, that's probably too much. The cooler they run the more efficient they are in most cases. Outrunners are more efficient running faster, as running them slowly creates more heat. I have used thermostatically controlled fans on some of my models, which come on at 30deg C and go off at 28degC. Very easy and cheap to do, just requires a cheap in line thermo switch and voltage regulator, which can be powered from your main battery, or made independent. The fan setup in my amphibious truck for eg, which uses a geared 550 brushed motor, will come on at 30c and keep running after the model stops until it's cooled down, then switch off. I also use this setup as a safety feature for the Lipo in one of my boats. You can even add a buzzer as a warning, to let you know if something is overheating. Hopefully this blurb might be of interest. JB ▲
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๐ฌ Re: A Fan for the Motor
9 months ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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I think photo #2 explains that quite graphically Ross ๐ฎ๐ค
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๐ฌ Re: A Fan for the Motor
9 months ago by ๐จ๐ฆ RossM (
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wow!
Tell us again why you gave up your career as a brain surgeon . . . ▲
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๐ฌ Re: A Fan for the Motor
9 months ago by ๐บ๐ธ LewZ (
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Just a few thoughts on motor cooling... rather than a fan blowing air over a smooth motor housing, was any consideration given to cooling fins (heat sinks) on the motor?
Also, does a shaft mounted fan account for situations where the motor is under a heavy load yet not turning fast enough to cool properly? Example: some growth tangled about the prop but not enough to stop the motor or have the ESC power off. Think about automobiles, old design was a motor driven fan and new designs are electrically driven fans. Lew Florida โฑ๏ธ, USA ๐บ๐ธ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: A Fan for the Motor
9 months ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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Neither have I Rob.
I suspect they have more resonance with the fly boys. I just thought I'd mention it. Em passant so to speak๐ Watching with interest๐ Cheers, Doug๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: A Fan for the Motor
9 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hi Doug.
"BTW: I guess you can wrap a coil round an Inrunner brushless." You know what, ๐ค I'd forgotten all about the In-Runner variety of brushless motor. They often have a water cooling jacket built in but I've seldom seen them used. Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: A Fan for the Motor
9 months ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder (
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Hi Rob,
Great idea and execution. Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: A Fan for the Motor
9 months ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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I'm a fan Rob๐๐
BTW: I guess you can wrap a coil round an Inrunner brushless. If you tried it with an Outrunner life would get kinda interesting for a few seconds๐ฎ๐ญ๐ค ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: A Fan for the Motor
9 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 (
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Hi Rob good to see you back, if you remember I did that mod on my Crash tender when I built mine (3 years ago now, doesn't time fly) mine was slightly different in that I used the prop adaptor but mounted the fan as a prop so a greater distance from the motor.
As for efficiency/power loss, when your powering from a 5s as I am as well it doesn't really matter as there's an abundance of power to spare Those fire monitors look familiar too, I guess Stephen took the tip do his pump water? ▲
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๐ฌ Re: A Fan for the Motor
9 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hi Isaac.
Thanks for your comments, you make some interesting suggestions but in my view none are really practical in this particular situation. The point of mounting the fan blade directly on the motor is that involved nothing more than fitting it to the end of the motor and while the motor is running, in either direction it is creating airflow around and more importantly, through the motor. Thus the motor is self cooling. I'm not sure how it could generate more heat than it removes ๐ค The motor compartment is very capacious and also vents to adjoining compartments. You can't water cool a brushless motor, but you can use a water cooled mounting but that's even more weight, plumbing pipes etc. The speed controller is already water cooled anyway so nothing more can be improve that. Consider the positives, no fan mounting structure is needed, no wiring is required, no battery or power supply is needed, all of which involve a cost and more complexity than is really warranted. The fan was ex-computer power supply, it was not working and had a noisy bearing when it was, so no cost implications at all. I can't think of any valid negatives. The KISS principle is well applied in what I have done here. As I said in the blog, it cost me nothing to do, it adds nothing to the weight of the boat or affects it's trim requiring corrective ballast etc. but it certainly seems to stir up a lot of hot air! ๐ For your boat with three large brushed motors and no space for motor cooling coils I would agree that motorised fan cooling may well be your best option ๐. Kind Regards. Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: A Fan for the Motor
9 months ago by ๐บ๐ธ Isaac (
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Why take the electronic fan apart? Why not use it as is and run it off a 2S battery to cool the entire compartment ( motors and ESCs ). Or a separate more powerful motor with a fan ( you also need to vent the compartment to expel the heat overboard ). Also, you may want to see if that fan mounted on the motor that close is really cooling the motors ( you need a surface thermometer ). It may generate more heat than it cools ( there is no such thing as free energy ). Small air ๐cooling fans are used on closely coweled aircraft engines ( like the Focke Wulf 190 ), but fans are more effective against a radiator cooler. I really don't know where things are better, but I agree that cooling motors is important. Water cooling is best if you can do it. My big 3 brushed motors has no room to coil water lines around them. But I really want to cool them, thus I am interested in what you find. Isaac ▲
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๐ฌ Re: New Electrics
9 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hi luckyduck.
Thanks for your compliment on my wiring ๐, professional pride would have me do nothing less than that. Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: New Electrics
9 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง luckyduck (
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Fabulously neat wiring
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๐ฌ Re: Making room
10 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hi Isaac.
Oooops...sorry...my bad! Your'e quite correct. Yes, I meant a 5S pack. In this case it's a 35C/65C burst rated pack and under full throttle it does run frighteningly fast but is still remarkably stable even when turning at high speed. Rob. ▲
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10 months ago by ๐บ๐ธ Isaac (
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The 5C rating is for the battery ability to provide a surge of power. Normally LiPo batteries are in the 10C,20C, 30C and up. But for a large boat a small number is best. but, my question is about the voltage. Do you mean 5S instead? that is more in line with the 19 volts you are replacing. And regarding the voltage, my 3 motor torpedo boat at 6 ft 5 inches long weighing close to 25 lbs, I run it on a 2S or 3S LiPo battery ( that is 7 or 11 volts ). At 11 volts, it feels like it is running way too fast for me. Isaac ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Making room
10 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hello Isaac.
At 47" length and 13" beam it is a big and heavy boat! The 5C LiPo is not uncommon and the chosen battery is ideally suited and in this instance a single LiPo can easily do the same job as two of the old NiMh batteries. The first sailing with the new batteries was very impressive !! Kind Regards. Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Making room
10 months ago by ๐บ๐ธ Isaac (
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19 volts for the motor? Wow. Thatโs a ton of volts. How big and how heavy is your boat.
Normally LiPo batteries are approx 7, 11 or 14 volts and that is a 2S, 3S or 4S size. At 19 volts, the boat will be flying. Isaac ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Batteries, old & new.
10 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hi Alan.
Good to hear from you. I hope you and Mike C are keeping well. I have indeed reprogrammed the ESC for LiPo operation and I ran the boat for it's maiden voyage on the new batteries at the Model Boat Mayhem event at Wicksteed Park in May this year. The difference in performance is amazing. I have also added a fan on the motor shaft for forced cooling, which may not really be necessary but it was so easy to do whilst the boat was on the bench. I'll also be covering the new fire monitors in the refurb too which look excellent and so much more true to life! And making mention of the new hoses and fittings that are available from VMW. See the pic for a preview of the new monitors, old style alongside the new version!! ๐ Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Batteries, old & new.
10 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ukengineman (
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Hi Rob, good to see you back, don't forget to reprogram the ESC for LiPo operation.
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๐ฌ Re: My 46" RAF Crash Tender, Some much needed refurbishment!
10 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hello Duncan.
Yes, I do try to keep clean and tidy workshop, my wife says that I should be just as fastidious in the house too! ๐คฃ๐ ▲
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10 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง DuncanP (
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Love your workshop - it looks fantastic. Just remember to keep it this tidy!!๐คฃ๐คฃ
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๐ฌ Re: My 46" RAF Crash Tender, Some much needed refurbishment!
10 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hi Pete.
Thanks. I'ts laid out very much like my old workshop so it feels very familiar. Sadly no room for the spray booth that I had in the old one thoughโน๏ธ but that took up a lot of space. Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: My 46" RAF Crash Tender, Some much needed refurbishment!
10 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Rookysailor (
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Wow Rob, what a beautiful new workshop you have made, feeling very jealous of you now.
Cheers, Pete๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: My 46" RAF Crash Tender, Some much needed refurbishment!
10 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hi Doug.
Kind words. Thanks.๐๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: My 46" RAF Crash Tender, Some much needed refurbishment!
10 months ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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ALWAYS interested in your superb Blogs and exceptional skills Rob๐
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๐ฌ Re: My 46" RAF Crash Tender, Some much needed refurbishment!
10 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Thank you Herman.
I promised myself that I would build a better workshop than my old one...and I think it has worked out quite well ๐ Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: My 46" RAF Crash Tender, Some much needed refurbishment!
10 months ago by ๐ง๐ช hermank (
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What a CLEAN, well SORTED space you got there. It happens not very often but i take my hat off!!!! Well done ▲
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๐ฌ Re: The next project...........
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hi Martin.
It's good to have you back....and catching up with things too. I'm very pleased that you appreciate the amount effort I put into writing my blogs and posting good photos too ๐๐ Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: The next project...........
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 (
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Hi Rob,
As you know i had been missing for a while so as i have been trying to catch up i accidentally came across this build log. I know it is a few years old but i started reading a few posts and thought i must start this from the beginning. So i scrolled right back to the start. It has taking quite a few hours but i really must say it is well written and i enjoyed it tremendously. And as for the Crash Rescue tender It is truly a master piece. The amount of work you put in to is amazing and the detail is stunning. Extremely well done. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Seat Trials and mods.
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง drspock (
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Hi Robbob, Thank goodness for tour blog!
i felt many parts of the instructions were vague,so with your blog with photos have made this build feasible for me! One question niggling at the moment is what size fuse did you use? I note that your main switch is 25A.As you have trialled the boat I imagine it is adequate. drspock ▲
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6 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง BOATSHED (
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I have just been watching your video again of your Crash Tender on the water. I do have a couple more questions, first is what motor is in her and second is she going full throttle on the water or not. Sorry to be nosey.
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๐ฌ Sea Trials and mods.
6 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง BOATSHED (
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Wow Robbob, I have just seen the video of your Crash Tender. She is amazing. Looks great on the water. I just love the way these hulls sit on the water. Virtually no roll at all, it's as if they are glued to the waters surface. The Aerokits Crash Tender was my very first boat back int 1959, it was my 9th birthday present and my father and I started to a build. But he wasn't happy about building the original kit straight outright. As our first ever build, he brought home broken down tea chests and orange boxes and he got me to draw round all the parts and he went on to cut each piece out with a nice new fretsaw. So as the first one went together and it seemed to go well then the Aerokits one followed on. He then bought me a ED Hunter 3.46cc Diesel engine for my Christmas present that year. I say he I should say my parents both bought them for me. Sadly I never got to have radio control in it. I was weird as we went on to build another five in all. One was given to my younger brother, his had a Taycol Standard in it, and I had the job of taking the accumulator to the local model shop to have it charged up as we never had a charger for it. I think they used to charge something like a shilling each time it was done. The other five that we built he actually gave away to friends and one even went to the milkman. I still have a 34 and a 46 inch still new in boxes. The 34" is an original that Was Released in 1994 by Aerokits on the 50th Anniversary and the 46" is a VMW kit. I have a 46" to refurbish and have scaled one down and built a 28" in Balsa wood. As well as a 46" PT 109 with a 26cc in her that also sits on the water the same way. Sorry to waffle on it just brings back old memories. I'll leave it there. I just love your Build such detail.
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7 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob (
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Hi Michael.
I know what you mean about distractions, I'm building an Amati 'ship in a bottle' model of the American warship 'Hannah' for my 5 year old granddaughter, also called Hannah. It's a real challenge on the eyes and fingers...seemed like a good idea at the time...๐ค If you want to see the Crash Tender close-up and have a chat I'll be showing it at the St. Albans model club exhibition in September, details are on the 'events' page. Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Seat Trials and mods.
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Hi Rob, thank goodness these changes/modifications have come before I get to that stage so I can incorporate them in mine. The boat looks really good on the water, and if ever I get to your neck of the woods I'd really like to see it close up as it's certainly an inspiring build. My build is coming on OK but the detailing takes such a long time to get it to the right standard, but this is the enjoyable part of modelling for me. The other thing that's slowing things down is my 5 year old grandson who wants a boat as well so I'm building a Freeman 22 alongside my crash tender.
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