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    Robbe PT15
    by Cashrc ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    ๐Ÿ“ Oops!!!!
    2 months ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi yโ€™all. Some of you have probably read in the North Texas Shipwrights thread of the loss of the superstructure to the PT15. The first test runs seemed to be a little down on power, and she would occasionally dig her bow in on a turn. I thought a little more power and some aft weight should do the trick. However, I upgraded power before rebalancing the ship. That was my first mistake. I also didnโ€™t use strong enough, or the right amount, of magnets to hold the hatch down..I used craft store magnets, which in retrospect werenโ€™t up to the task. Anyway, when I launched her with the new power plant she was torquing over pretty hard, and didnโ€™t respond to the helm as well, plus was still diggin in. Instead of bringing her back, I kept playing around to see if I could eas into the throttle and possibly โ€œtameโ€ her. Turned too tight, she dug her bow in, spun, heeled over and off came the superstructure. It floated for a few minutes, we tried to push it in but in the end it sank with all hands.๐Ÿ˜” Now, I have to admit this was pretty disconcerting, even to the point that Iโ€™ve been pretty critical of my building and operating skills thus far. I get like that, takes a few days to walk it off. So..for the time being sheโ€™s in dry dock, with the receiver and esc removed. Iโ€™m going to build a couple more models then come back to her. My plan is to fabricate a simple screw down and taped hatch so I can take her out sans superstructure and run tests on her, playing with power, prop and balance till Iโ€™m satisfied. Between test runs Iโ€™m going to try my hand at building the superstructure from scratch, using styrene sheet as my main building medium. I think I can make a go of it, might have to fudge a minor detail or make a slight alteration to suit my skills, but I do have the plans so thereโ€™s that. Stay with me yโ€™all, think Iโ€™m going to need some helpful advice and a little emotional support as well.
    Cash
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Oops!!!!
    2 months ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Cash,
    Sorry to hear that you did not manage to "tame" her.
    But i am sure with your model making skills you will have her back in the wet stuff soon.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Oops!!!!
    2 months ago by Nerys ( Captain)
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    That's bad luck Cash, hope you can sort things out soon. She looks, or looked good and I'm sure you'll get her back together.

    Reminds me of my first model and attempts at sailing her. Small motor fishing vessel (Aerokits Mowe), turned her too quickly, decks flooded and wheelhouse floated away. The next time afloat, she was run down by two 1metre yachts and sunk. She now sits on a shelf in the lounge.

    Nerys
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Oops!!!!
    2 months ago by figtree7nts ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Cash,

    Sorry to hear about the loss.
    Of the bridge to you PT boat!

    I too have had a loss of a boat!
    Some 30 years ago.

    I and a friend of mine.
    Took our boats out to the pond!

    He had his speed boat.
    I had my tugboat!

    Anyway, I told him let take her for a spin.
    I did I took a turn to sharp.
    The boat flooded!
    And she sank!

    I felt so bad!
    I brought the boat from him!

    Oh, my friend and I.
    Are still in contact till this day!

    Maybe you can draw a plan of your next bridge!
    That's what I did for my first tugboat!

    Ed
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Oops!!!!
    2 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    SH-one-T happens Cash ๐Ÿ˜ญ
    I was worried about the superstructure of my H class destroyer going AWOL as, true to the originals, she cranked over to 40ยฐ or more on fast tight turns. Heart stopping!๐Ÿ™ˆ
    And she was fast, made some RTR plastic 'speedboats' look very silly๐Ÿ˜
    Didn't have neodymium magnets back then so I made the structures; bridge, gun decks etc, very tight fits over extra high coamings ~2cm.

    Look at this this way Cash - it's leading you into acquiring a whole new skill set๐Ÿ‘
    "Always look on the bri~ght si~de of life. Tee ~ tum, tee ~ tum, deedum deedum deedum ๐Ÿ˜‰"
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Oops!!!!
    2 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    "The next time afloat, she was run down by two 1metre yachts and sunk. She now sits on a shelf in the lounge."
    Didn't realise you went in for snorkelling / scuba diving as well Nerys๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    Hat off ๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Oops!!!!
    2 months ago by Ron ( Lieutenant)
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    sorry about your misfortune
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Oops!!!!
    2 months ago by Nerys ( Captain)
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    Not me Doug, remember, Alice has a pair of waders and our lake is only three feet deep with a regular concrete floor.

    Cheers, Nerys
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Oops!!!!
    2 months ago by marky ( Commander)
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    I'm sure fleet (Doug) would happily volunteer to Don the speedos and instigate a salvage operation as he has done in the past ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ.
    Cheers Marky๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Oops!!!!
    2 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Shucks Nerys, another illusion shattered!๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ˜
    Had pictured you in your flippers and goggles!
    ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Oops!!!!
    2 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Fancy you remembering that Marky!
    Actually no Speedo, just gentlemen's best boxers!๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    Elicited some interesting ๐Ÿค‘ comments/suggestions from some of the er ladies present! Was many years ago๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ˜‰
    A Speedo to me was simply the thing in my car which told me how much I was exceeding the speed limit. Until several years later my sister mentioned Speedo in the context of a cruise ship holiday Gisela and I had just been on.
    So I looked it up๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    Just struck midnight here (Munich), 11pm GMT, so I guess I'm now an Illegal Alien.
    Damn you Boris, and damn you too Cameron for being so stupid as to start this nonsense rolling.
    Yours disgruntled๐Ÿ˜ , Doug
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Oops!!!!
    2 months ago by Nerys ( Captain)
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    Don't want to start a political argument Doug, this isn't the place for it, but there are many reasons why I envy your geographical position.

    Nerys
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Oops!!!!
    2 months ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Marky, I have a very vivid and graphic imagination...now that image is burned in my brain...๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Oops!!!!
    2 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Very sorry about that Cash๐Ÿ˜”
    Maybe Jack Daniels can help?๐Ÿ˜‹
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    ๐Ÿ“ Almost splash time!!
    3 months ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi everybody! Well, Iโ€™m feeling better, and did quite a bit of work on the PT. Sheโ€™s almost ready, need to button down the guns, add the prop, leak and ballast check and sheโ€™s done. Both guns are built and installed, and mixed so I can have both swing at the same time or independently. Took a few pics and I have a function check video to show off the guns. Next update should be the maiden.
    Cash
    Robbe PT15 Function Test
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Almost splash time!!
    3 months ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Nice work Cash,
    Looking forward to seeing her on the water.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Almost splash time!!
    3 months ago by figtree7nts ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Cash,

    You've done an outstanding job on her!
    I can't wait to see her in the water!
    Job well done!๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

    Cheers, Ed
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Almost splash time!!
    3 months ago by Rookysailor ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    What a cracking finish you have on the boat Cash,
    should look great out on the water, 1st class๐Ÿ‘

    Cheers, Pete
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    ๐Ÿ“ Under the weather...
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi yโ€™all. Well, the PT15 got a bit stalled as I was a bit under the weather for the last week, and I also didnโ€™t want to progress further until I decided how to โ€œdriveโ€ the guns. There was/is a nasty little bug going around the dealership that had many of us sick. No fever, but congestion, lack of energy, coughing up crud, etc. it was enough to slow me down considerably, but not keep me from work. I didnโ€™t run boats this past Sunday as I stayed in bed till well past noon. Anyway, Iโ€™m on the mend, still have a bit of this but most of the symptoms are gone, with the exception of coughing up some congestion from time to time. Annoying, but it is what it is. As far as the guns go, Iโ€™ve decided to try to direct drive them with a pair of 180 degree servos vs doing the whole pulley and offset servo gig. Iโ€™ll lose a little movement, but Iโ€™ll gain a much simplified install. More than likely Iโ€™ll be working on her after Christmas, and Iโ€™ll have pics then.
    Cash

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Under the weather...
    4 months ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Glad to hear you are better.
    I had a similar bug a couple of weeks ago. Just felt drained and unsettled. So much so that I had to take my first two sick days off of work for 25 years.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Under the weather...
    4 months ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Cash,
    Glad you are getting better in time for the Christmas festivities.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ“ 1st gun almost done
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    I did a little more work on the first gun this morning, turned out ok. Donโ€™t know if Iโ€™m going to take it much further as I might end up getting a pair of resin or plastic Bofors gun kits and using those instead. Iโ€™ll build up the second gun to match, then go from there.
    Cash

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 1st gun almost done
    4 months ago by redpmg ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Looks pretty good Cash - almost be a shame to replace it . Its a standard 40mm Bofors - if you need drawings for more detail I have some which can be scanned for you.
    Built in 67 for the Japanese Self Defence Force replacing the earlier PT 10 - 35m long and displaced 100tons (info came courtesy of Tamiya on the web !)
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 1st gun almost done
    4 months ago by mturpin013 ( Commander)
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    Im no expert on war ships but I think a piece of equipment that is hand made is far better than a commercially manufactured one and yours look great
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 1st gun almost done
    4 months ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    I think that gun looks perfect.๐Ÿ˜Š

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 1st gun almost done
    4 months ago by redpmg ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Found this while going through my archives - don't know if its any use- Its the Earlier PT10
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 1st gun almost done
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Thanks for the pics!!
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    ๐Ÿ“ 1st gun roughed in
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hereโ€™s a couple of pics of the 1st gun, bear in mind itโ€™s not finished and needs some detail sanding and another couple coats of paint, plus a few more details. Itโ€™s built up from a brass barrel, wood, abs and bits of wire. I really wish Robbe had gone to a styrene kit of parts for the guns, but they didnโ€™t. I figure the decision making process sounded like this:
    โ€œHey, Gerhardt, hereโ€™s the plans for the gun moldings for the new PT were putting in production soon, waddya think?โ€ โ€œWell, Kurt, that looks sehr gut, but the boss says we have to use up existing stocks before making any new moldings.โ€ โ€œSoooo....we have to design a gun from bits of wood, brass, and abs?โ€ โ€œJaโ€.๐Ÿคฃ

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 1st gun roughed in
    4 months ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    See your point but it looks good anyway.๐Ÿ˜€
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 1st gun roughed in
    4 months ago by redpmg ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Hi Cash - pretty good so far - sure you will super detail it detail it in your usual style - as you say pity they did not use mouldings - but its a pretty old kit - first saw one in the 80's and Robbe probably felt there was no reason to update the kit.......

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 1st gun roughed in
    4 months ago by Rookysailor ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    See what you mean Cash, but it should be fun detailing it all, like the ammo boxes๐Ÿ‘

    Cheers, Pete
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 1st gun roughed in
    4 months ago by figtree7nts ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Cash,

    I like it! ๐Ÿ‘

    Cheer, Ed
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    ๐Ÿ“ Ready for guns
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi yโ€™all..just a quick update, the railings and most of the deck details are done. I need to give the rails another coat of paint, maybe paint the chains (need to decide color, want it to contrast with the light grey) and then Iโ€™ll starts building the guns. Need to decide early on if I want them to traverse, or if I want to add that feature later.

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Ready for guns
    4 months ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Cash,
    If it was me I would make the Guns operational at this stage.
    Then you won't have to change the Ballast after trimming the Boat.
    You could always connect them up electrical later if you wish.

    Martin555.

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Ready for guns
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Think thatโ€™s a good idea, or at least add some removable weight to simulate the servo weight. The plans show a servo with a large pulley driving a smaller pulley on the gun, this way you have a 120 degree servo driving the guns roughly 270 degrees, but I might see if I have the room to just direct drive the gun with a modified servo, or a store bought 270 degree servo

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Ready for guns
    4 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Cash,
    "The plans show a servo with a large pulley driving a smaller pulley on the gun, this way you have a 120 degree servo driving the guns roughly 270 degrees, but I might see if I have the room to just direct drive the gun with a modified servo, or a store bought 270 degree servo "
    When faced with the same conundrum on my destroyer many years ago I found that gears were a better, more reliable option. Repeatable movement, easier than modding servos, and much cheaper than buying special servos๐Ÿ˜‰
    Slowing the servo travel down is recommendable though, otherwise the barrel twitches back an forth like a fly swatter!๐Ÿค”
    Pic shows X and Y turret drive. The pulley drive to Y gun tends to slipโ˜น๏ธ as the pulleys are smooth, almost polished so little grip. Mod required!
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    PS the mountings are ball races left over from car restoration days๐Ÿ˜‰

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Ready for guns
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Thanks Doug, Iโ€™ll keep that idea in mind. Iโ€™m also thinking checking out some robotics parts house as they have some gears and belts that are made to be hobby servo driven.
    Im telling yโ€™all right now, donโ€™t be surprised if I end up with some 1/35 scale resin or plastic Bofors gun kits on this boat in lieu of the kit supplied parts. The guns, as supplied, are a bit โ€œchallengingโ€๐Ÿคฃ

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    ๐Ÿ“ Torpedos off the starboard bow!!
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi yโ€™all. I have the torpedos and tubes painted and fitted to the deck, and did the aft railings too. I simplified the torpedo install, thereโ€™s a number of brass wire clamps you have to make up, paint and install, but after looking at both the box art and other PT15s built, most people omit them, and on the few boats that have them theyโ€™re hard to see, hidden for the most part. Figured they werenโ€™t worth the time and trouble.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Torpedos off the starboard bow!!
    4 months ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Cash,
    She is looking really good.
    Well done.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Torpedos off the starboard bow!!
    4 months ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Super looking boat.๐Ÿ˜€
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    ๐Ÿ“ Some deck fittings
    4 months ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi all. Got a bit more done the past couple of nights. Built and installed one hatch, glued and painted ammo cans and built the life raft canister supports, painted canisters and installed the assemblyโ€™s. Working on torpedos now.

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Some deck fittings
    4 months ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Nice work Cash.
    Keep it up.


    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Some deck fittings
    4 months ago by figtree7nts ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Cash,

    You are doing a great job on her!
    Keep up the good work!

    Ed
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    ๐Ÿ“ Superstructure done (for now)
    5 months ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi everybody. Will keep this short and sweet, have to hit the hay. Superstructure pretty well done, mast installed and a couple of details added, and I decided to go ahead and install the running lights. Sheโ€™s looking almost shipshape now!!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Superstructure done (for now)
    5 months ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Cash,
    She is coming to life bit by bit.
    Nice work.
    Well done.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Aerials and masts
    5 months ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi everybody!!! Great weekend so far, drove the Studebaker this morning, saw โ€œFord vs Ferrariโ€ with my family (great movie btw) and had time to work on the PT. I did the side aerials last night, got the mast about half done today. Now, if youโ€™ve kept up with this blog youโ€™ll find that I just donโ€™t like making small detail parts from wood, unless itโ€™s supposed to look like wood. The side aerials are supposed to be glued into small pieces of wood that are rounded and fitted to the side of the fwd cabin so that the aerials are about a 20 degree angle. Nope. Not doing that. I have a small stock of various sizes of carbon tube, it was easier and I think, better looking to cut a small piece, sand the angle in, glue that to the cabin and insert the wire for the aerial. Also, Robbe recommends that you put a loop in the aerial end for safety. I used small thrust buttons for rubber model planes glued to the tip. I think that looks better.
    The mast was started today, I substituted 5mm carbon tube in lieu of the 5mm wood dowel, everything else is kit supplied. I think the superstructure will be done by Monday evening, maybe Wednesday latest.

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Aerials and masts
    5 months ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Very nice work Cash.
    With all of those aerials fitted please be careful that you don't poke your eye out.

    Martin555.
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