No Reverse

Started by jonb
26 replies 18 likes Last activity: 4 years ago
#27

No Reverse

I am happy to hear you are sorted. Sometimes new advice is just not compatible with old technology. :-)
Rudy Maritz
ADF - Northern City Model Boat Club
#26

No Reverse

Hi Everyone
Hope everyone is in good fettle, an update ....
Having listened to everyone's thoughts and ideas and proved it wasn't the Tx or Rx, decided to swap out the brushless ESC .

I also swapped out the motor and battery for traditional Torpedo 850 and Mtroniks 25A marine ESC plus Lead Acid battery. Now all rigged up and ready to go and you've guessed it . Full Astern

Interestingly the brushless JP 600 ESC was only used once, so it must be a overtime deterioration.
Anyone else experienced this I wonder ?
The sun is shining and you know where I'm off to😎

Thanks again everyone
Best wishes to you all
Jon
Liked by dave976
#25

No Reverse

Ideally you should have your throttle stick self centring, this ensures your boat stops when the throttle stick is released no messing about trying to find centre off.
Start by turning on your transmitter then place your throttle stick in the centre off position. Next turn on your esc and wait for it to arm (beeping noise from the motor) ensure you do not move the throttle stick at this time. Now see if this has worked giving you forward and reverse.
If there is still no reverse then you need to set throttle range. Manufacturers have slightly different ways for this but more often this will work:
1) transmitter on throttle stick on centre
2) arm esc, wait for beeps
3) move throttle stick to full forward motor should beep
3) move throttle stick to full reverse motor should beep
4) move throttle stick to centre motor should beep
Note on some esc’s you have to set centre before setting reverse
Hope this is clear enough for you to try.
Liked by Len1 and ollie and
#24

No Reverse

Dam ads make life miserable. But there might be some value in what you’re saying. I use a Flysky i6X and the throttle must be fully down to turn it on. If the rx is turned on in that position I also lose reverse. Ideally one shouldn’t use the throttle stick on a boat. Rather the one with springs that centres automatically.
Rudy Maritz
ADF - Northern City Model Boat Club
Liked by Colin H
#23

No Reverse

I have tried to decypher my way thru all the posts, but I may be WAY off base. DISCLAIMER: I have never dealt with a brushless ESC. Is there a chance that the position of the throttle stick, at power up of the receiver( the transmitter should have been turned on first) determines the neutral point of this ESC? I ask because the brushed ESC's I use, and LOVE, form Germany do exactly that and I sometimes forget to center my throttle. The ESC then programs the throttle according to where the stick is at power-up. I have managed to embarrass myself far too many times.
Liked by jbkiwi and Colin H
#22

No Reverse

I sympathize with your struggles, have also been down that road.
Would not recommend any ESC that requires programming by listening to "beeps". Very difficult to differentiate between numbers of beeps, so have little idea what is actually programmed.
After much screwing around have now upgraded all my brushless fleet to:
"Double Sided Brushless ESC 20/30/40/50/60/80A Underwater Thruster RC Car Boat Parts" available from Banggood.
These are simple, economical and reliable. My last purchase was air cooled, so converted to water with a home made cooling coil.
Liked by Len1 and dave976 and
#21

No Reverse

Hi Everyone
Cheers to one & all
All very useful info going forward, based on what has been suggested think I will invest in a new ESC and keep those fingers well and truly crossed.
I will post the results and my findings

In the mean time , keep well and stay safe.😊

Best wishes
Jonb.
Liked by dave976
#20

No Reverse

Hi jonb
Glad to have helped eliminate one possibility. Chances are the ESC can be reconfigured but it is not a job for the novice and even experienced modellers can struggle with getting them to work as required. Most brushless ESCs have default settings which is where I suspect yours it now set. You have not said what battery and voltage you are using but if the default is LiPo a NiMh may be too low a voltage to even set anything, as RudyM correctly mentions. If you receive a series of beeps when switching on then that would suggest some communication. You could try holding the throttle stick down or up with the Tx on when you connect the rx to see if this triggers any response. The real problem is your lack of any info on the ESC as they communicate with a series of beeps to indicate the control being adjusted and you move the control stick on the tx to select.
If you do decide to replace the ESC I believe a 60amp would suffice as that would be the same as the jp600. You do need to select a marine type ESC as those for airborne models will lack the reverse function, those for land based models may have a reverse but often require you to select revers to brake the motor then select reverse again to move in reverse. They do work but can be difficult to use on a model boat where reverse may be required almost immediately. There are several suppliers of suitable ESC's but none are particularly cheap so I suggest you search on-line to find the best deal.
Dave976
Liked by Len1
#19

No Reverse

If you do decide to swop ecs I recommend the Hobbywing Seaking 120A water cooled ESC.
If you go air cooled on the esc just connect the motor to the water intake and outlet.
The HW ESC has built in thermal protection and may cut out if it gets too hot. It also cuts out if the voltage drops below 6V. Its a default setting and cannot be programmed. If you don’t have air movement inside the hull I’d rather not go that route.
Rudy Maritz
ADF - Northern City Model Boat Club
#18

No Reverse

Hi Dave
Thank you for your continuing efforts with this issue ..this morning I took your advice and swapped over the rudder servo lead to esc , and your right , full functionality on rudder ....so, now have proved Tx & Rx are OK
Going forward need to try and reconfigure ESC or swap out .
Point of interest ....this is a water cooled ESC to link with water cooled brushless motor . If it was changed for a non cooled one and I rigged up an air cooled system for the motor , would I be up looking at a disaster in the making ?

Thanks again to everyone, you are all educating my grey cells
Liked by Colin H
#17

No Reverse

Hi jonb
Your tx/rx was ok otherwise your rudder servo would not have worked. I suggest you plug the rudder servo into the channel you are using for the Esc and make sure that the rudder servo still works. You will have to provide 4.8 volts for the rx and could use the Esc plugged into the rudder servo channel. If the rudder is fully controllable by the throttle stick then the Tx/Rx is fully functional.
The Esc is I suspect from J Perkins but I cannot find details on a jp600.
Perkins do supply a program card for their ESC's but it may not be a perkins ESC.
If you have a model boat club or nodel shop locally they may have someone who could reset your ESC as they are all similar but are distinct to each ESC. I assume you do not have the original ESC instructions. A pic of the ESC may help identify.
dave976
Liked by RudyM and Colin H
#15

No Reverse

Jumpers are little bridge connectors or plugs on some ESCs where you can change their settings. Mostly found on non programmable escs.
Keeping it warm does help but I dont think the UK gets colder than the operating temp range of the Planet 5😁
It could also be that the tx changed its sticks mode. Some have a throttle mode that only allows forward.
Most radio manufacturers design their firmware for planes drones and helicopters. Yet they expect the boat guys to support them. So check the mode 1, 2,3 or 4. It might have slipped.
Rudy Maritz
ADF - Northern City Model Boat Club
#14

No Reverse

I do keep it warm in the winter 😆
Not sure I know what jumpers refer to !
#13

No Reverse

I don’t think its the Esc. It only does what the reciever tells it to do. If you have full forward but no reverse it could be a setting on the tx that lost its plot. However some ESC’s also have settings like Forward only / F brake R or F/R. Does it have jumpers?
Rudy Maritz
ADF - Northern City Model Boat Club
#12

No Reverse

So, in your opinion it can't be the ESC ??
#11

No Reverse

Don’t give up yet. Check if the tx is on pwm or ppm. Perhaps also try deleting the model from the tx and reprogramming it. Alternatively buy a Flysky i6X.
Rudy Maritz
ADF - Northern City Model Boat Club
#10

No Reverse

Hi Everyone
Many thanks for all your thoughts and ideas ..
Have retried Tx first then Rx .... no improvement !
Why would the system retain 75% of the operation, ie full servo on the rudder and full power on forward only .
I would of thought, (probably wrongly). all or nothing .
Is it possible to prove an individual piece of kit has given up the ghost ?
The ESC is a jp600 that's all I can read, used velcro and on removal all the little writing has disappeared 😕
Thanks again for your time everyone, it is appreciated 👍
#8

No Reverse

Hi jonb
I agree with deepriverman, your ESC after a few years of inactivity has lost its memory of your Tx throttle settings. Most 2.4Ghz sets take a few moments to start up and this is often longer than the time taken by the ESC. I agree that you should not be too close to the Tx when performing the binding and set up as some sets require a metre separation for best results. I would also avoid trying this in the presence of any other active 2.4Ghz sets. I have cured similar problems by using a separate 4.8V battery to power up the Rx and when it has bound connected the ESC and main battery. You will need to follow the original instructions provided to set the ESC. It is not good practice to connect more than one power supply but for the short period involved no harm will occur, so do disconnect the 4.8v supply as soon as the ESC is powered up. This will ensure that your Rx is providing the correct signal for the ESC to memorise.
Good luck
dave976
#7

No Reverse

With some ESC's i note that if you are quick off the mark after switching on Tx, RX the ESC can still be in set up mode , so i adopted the switch on Tx Switch on Rx and count to ten policy years ago seems to have worked over many years. Found useful more so 2.4 sets if lots of sets in use as they seem to take a few seconds to find a frequency , and having a smart phone go into search mode very near, 1 metre is not helpful, depends on make. Brushless speed controller , start in middle pos for throttle stick dos motor start and run if so throttle to full reverse and return to midpint i have a couple that have that issue as all our rc is aeroplane based on throttle stick being idle at bottom , full at top marine speed controller or car has fwds and back reciever gets confuesed is it a boat, is it a plane hope this helps going forward.
Liked by dave976
#6

No Reverse

Let me know if it solved your problem. Oh and make sure your tx is set to the correct model. ( if you have more than one model on it). I often forget to change the model 😛
Rudy Maritz
ADF - Northern City Model Boat Club
#5

No Reverse

Thank you, I will try that tomorrow , pretty sure I've used that scenario but I will try it

Thanks again
Liked by RudyM
#4

No Reverse

Hi
Thanks for your reply ....yes (if I remember correctly) that's what I had to do
#3

No Reverse

Turn your tx on first. Then the rx. Had same problem a week ago.
Rudy Maritz
ADF - Northern City Model Boat Club
#2

No Reverse

Hi, is the esc you have one where you have to set the throttle range and neutral in the middle.
#1

No Reverse

46" RAF Fire tender : running with brushless motor
Planet T5 TX & R6M RX , Water jacketed ESC , nothing other than normal equipment.
Last time in the water (a few years ago) all was well if my memory is to be believed.
Re commissioned last week Rudder operation as normal
and forward power all good . But NO reverse !!
Re binded and reset trims etc etc.
Can anyone offer some explanation PLEASE.
Many thanks
Liked by Colin H

Sign in to add to this thread.

Delete this post?

It will be removed from the site.

Discard this draft?

Your draft will be deleted and cannot be recovered.

You have an unfinished draft

What would you like to do with it?