P94 Dual Esc And Mixer and motor choice

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P94 Dual Esc And Mixer and motor choice

Hi all good questions! Don't worry about the tiny difference in voltage for battery power. I have a few 380's and they are quite powerful I think around 40 Watts.
The 385 is a similar size but has a 5 pole motor, is less than half this.
This makes it a different motor and has a wider voltage range. The main thing with electric motors is make to sure they run as cool as possible. The hot spots are around the commutator and brushes. You could use a coiled tube with a water feed to keep the motor cool but not to worry in this case as the 385 is a lowish power motor.

You can run the motor at any lower voltage but I would not go to more than 20% higher. than the rated max voltage. Keep the revs up and the motor will run fine.

I was running 2 off 600 motors rated at 9.6 volts on 12 volts with small props so the revs were high. The battery got hot but the motors were just warm, and I watercooled the single Electronize ESC which was running at max capacity of 15 amps and that was stone cold. With this esc there was a voltage drop across the unit so voltage on motors was not 12 volts.

If you have a multimeter you could check the voltage on the motor and you will see it is a bit less than the battery voltage.

For the smaller motors that run at up to 8 volts and 3 or 4 amps there are some impossibly small esc's that do not get warm and available from China / fleebay.

I use them a lot and they used to be about £2.50 each but if you search you should find them at £5 or so, some rated at 20 amps but I do not believe this! They are however excellent only sight drawback is the battery connectors which are the old 2 wire battery conectors used on RC receivers for battery connectors, but ready made connectors are very cheap to suit.

These used with a mixer will suit you, I have one I bought waiting for me on my return from the land of Oz
regards
Roy
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P94 Dual Esc And Mixer and motor choice

You can run two esc on one lipo . Just need to make up a Y lead
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P94 Dual Esc And Mixer and motor choice

Do you have a programmable tx? If so, its easier to combine the tank aspect on one stick, ie up for forward down reverse and sideways to slow motors to assis with turning etc.
Maybe someone will be along shortly with a better description!
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P94 Dual Esc And Mixer and motor choice

Well, thanks to Nick and Dave I now have a Sirmar hull for the BYMS, plans, fittings and the MMI articles I was after. This week has been a bit of blur as I hadn't expected to have another boat project straight after buying the BYMS book.

Despite having three other models in build I've been giving some time to thinking about the BYMS as it is the first twin screw boat I've had since the early 1990s and technology and choice has grown a lot since then so I've a number of questions about the options for twin motors. Apologies for the long post - I've been trying to formulate the right questions to ask.

Have been looking around and it would seem acceptable to fit brushed motors (the MMI review of the Sirmar kit used 380s). It seems that it makes sense for each motor to have a separate ESC and I'd be looking at a mixer as I don't really fancy tank steering.

From the plans it looks like a pair of 25mm 3 bladed props will be required.

My first issue is selecting the correct motor as I'd like to use LiPo batteries, but the MFA RE-380 3-Pole has maximum voltage of 7.2V with 19,000 RPM at max efficiency. I'd assume that a 2S Lipo of 7.4V wouldn't do the motor much good. So it looks LiPo won't be an option with the 380s but I have seen the MFA RE-385 that runs between 6V-15V so would run with 3S Lipos.


Have done a fair bit of reading on the subject and came across the P94 Dual Esc And Mixer now marketed by componentshop. Price wise it works out about the same has buying two separate ESCs and a mixer.

Does anyone have any experience of the P94?

I suppose I'm asking opinions on am I going down the right route of looking at brushed motors with a single unit for ESCs and mixer or should I be considering Brushless, separate ESCs and an appropriate mixer? If I decided to go down the brushless route I'd still need an ESC per motor and could use a mixer such as P40D mixer as this works with brushless motors, but it looks like this would require a separate battery for each ESC.
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