Yep, otherwise known as a 'Jockstrap' 😲

SC is too sweet for me, and prefer V&T to G&T.
Can't get the smell of gin passed me schnozzle 😡
Pims #1 is also good. Tally Ho chaps!

Temp here has collapsed 10°C again, cloudy and rainy.
Expecting 37°C again at end of the week though, Phew!!
GWS to Chris, cheers, Doug

I assume you're referring to something sporting, rather than sartorial.
Yup I do like a Stilton or Roquefort, with me Patum Pepperium and a nice glass of a rich red. The combination is pure gentleman's club. Wood smoke and red leather.

Failing that, in this weather I am a Spatlese man. Or a cold G&T. I was given a bottle of Southern Comfort yesterday, by my daughter, bless her. I like that with a large piece of ice and a slice of orange, left to brew for a while.

Off out to take Chris to the quack. in the hottest part of the hottest day of the year. Great!

Martin

Hi Martin,
I used a 'protection piece' as well, but only when facing fast bowling on a 'sticky wicket' 😲😡😭
If it slipped around I just tightened the straps 😁😁

'Old Mould'; Of course! A nice ripe Stilton or Gorgonzola. Not to mention Roquefort 😋

Canopy glue doesn't seem to have the 'lumpy' problem.
I only discovered it, and other Deluxe Materials stuff, last year and up to now I'm very pleased and impressed with their stuff. Not cheap but they do exactly what it says in the blurb 😊
Cheers, Doug 😎

I tried using a protector piece, but it helped it slide all over the place.

Ihave the first of those items.

Old mould. Can't whack it. Better than mature Cheddar

Micro Klear is that stuff that looks exactly like PVA glue (and probably IS) that model airyplane kitbashers use to glaze tiny airliner windows and such. it goes allegedly clear when dry, but is so bumpy a blind man can see it.

Martin

Thanks Haverlock,👍
Now I just have to find some Olfa to cut! 😁
and then a use for it 😲
Cheers, Doug 😎
BTW; second link didn't work, just twiddled it's thumbs and never completely loaded 😭

the Olfa cutter is a compass cutter

https://www.fredaldous.co.uk/products/olfa-compass-cutter?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=SHOPPING&utm_term=4578710021283839&utm_content=Ad%20group%20%231

you can avoid the pinprick by using a covering piece to take the point of the cutter. I did however pick up a compass cutter from

https://www.theworks.co.uk/?q=Circle%20Cutter

This has a covering piece to stop making holes in the work piece.

Mornin' Martin,
I haven't the foggiest what an Olfa cutter is, never had any Olfa to cut 😁,
don't know MikroKlear either. Can only say Canopy Glue worked great for me.
Apropos NUTS syndrome; yep the quacks an' trick cyclists have given up on me as well😁 One wanted to write a seminar around me I think!

What U doin' muckin' about with 'Old Mould'? Eeeeh 😆
More power to your scraper 😉
Cheers, Doug 😎

In the War on nuts, Doug, I declare you beyond help!

I cut them on the narrow boat with an Olfa cutter in the end. He didn't notice the tiny pin prick in the middle of each lens. I have some canopy glue, but I haven't used it yet. is it any different really, from say MicroKlear?

Got most of my Crash Tender fittings cleaned up while Chris watched her mama Mia on the telly. Being from old moulds they needed a fair bit of filing and sanding, but we got there. Some only need a slight scrape with a knife. Very hard white metal, which hardly makes your fingers discolour so I'm guessing lead free. You even get two resin navigation lights.

Cheers,
Martin

Re Portholes,
Martin, I don't know how many dozen I did on my 1/72 53" destroyer, two rows in the hull plus superstructure, but that's why I AM NUTS! 😁
Since fibre-glassing the hull I now have to do those AGAIN! 😡
Cheers, Doug 😎

Hi John, yes I'm sure I saw that story on the 'Mayday - Alarm in Cockpit' series. A sobering tale, like the cheap 'forged' false pylon bolts that caused a 777 to loose an engine 😲
Cheers, Doug 😎

Westie if you want more "OH"s I think my namesake Mantua Models have some. Re unglazed ones if you get a look at them before you buy there should be a little ridge inside that the "GLASS" sits on. if you cut your glazing material carefully--- A sharp tube is best to cut it with. A drop of canopy glue secures it well.
Re insurance etc. I was hit behind the eye on the temple by a model weighing less than half a pound. A low speed bipe at that. it hit at an angle from behind & I was almost knocked out by it. A strong breeze took it off course. Anything bigger could have killed me I think. Quite a few planes went adrift that day with the wind strength what it was. 15 -18 MPH I think it was. No harm was done luckily Therefore I would have insurance from one source or other. Bring back MAP👍

Yep, he done good, did the Naval man in Munchen. I'm in his debt and if I use the TX to fly I promise I'll insure myself, but I ain't joinin' a club unless the local one is as cheap as someone recently suggested.

And the only decal on my wings will be the SMAE, if I have to hand paint it!
Now...back to boats. Tis my birthday and my dear bride bought me a set of the old Yeoman white metal fittings for my Crash Tender, so now the kids have departed I will have a wee clean up of them. Then, a Chicken Achar from the new indian restaurant.

A bonus is that she also bought me a pack of 20 beautifully made turned brass portholes, glazed, that I've just realised will fit the Crash Tender wheelhouse. Result...I HATE glazing portholes. I did 9 on a scratchbuilt canal boat and it drove me nuts. 4 down, 16 to put back in storage, the last of Modelling Timbers' stock of them and the manufacturer no longer does em.

Martin

Hi doug I'm glad you sorted that Tx problem. Easy when etc. . I was about to suggest a "dry" soldered joint at the switch which would have had the same effect. My No2 son got pulled by the smokeys for driving with his fog lamps blazing in fine weather. As he had just bought the vehicle he just got verballed and a notice to repair etc. I went through it with a meter from front to rear. No dice so I suggested finding the fuse and pulling it until I had more time to go through it again. Rob opened the fuse box and found that two wires were 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍trapped under it with the insulation split giving a permanent live to the fog lights when the headlights were turned on. Again someone had been careless. Often the case unfortunately rather like the store man who put the wrong bolts in the bin and the engineer using them to put in an aircraft windscreen that blew out in flight. The blast carried the pilot half way out where he hung until the plane landed. A few thous made all the difference. Imagine if the fault in the tranny was in a mains powered item just what might have happened. I shudder to think. sorry mods for hi-jacking the thread. John O/T

No power, no parks, no public, no weight.
If however I had any of those, I WOULD insure. I once saw a pylon racer scream out of the sky and go THROUGH a lovely clinker built dinghy. THROUGH, mind you and into the mud tother side. Clean as a whistle., A few months later, a very happy dinghy owner was showing off his fully repaired and revarnished/painted small craft, thanking the unfortunate flyer for his wayward kite as he'd got a full rebuild off the insurance. That, not THAT long ago, was the 5 quid a year MAP insurance. No questions, no faffing, paid up a treat.
Now if I were flying those projectiles, or anything that fast and that heavy in public I would insure.

Now see what a clever circling back to boats I've done there

Cheers,
Martin

very good points all, particularly Norman. Some artf models, foamies mainly, are far from that, I know, I've had some. So take for example a popular brand in small hobby shops, dynam. They make very good models, on a budget. They are ready to fly, once the receiver is in there. £120 ish gets a nice model, with something like a 5 foot span, so it can be big. Last one I had, after pre assembly checks, because I knew this would happen, motor firewall was loose, prop was on backwards, spar for wings needed attention as it didn't fit, some of the wires where labelled wrong, and the wheel retracts where both damaged by over tightening. I knew what to look for, but a novice Dad and Lad, buys a birthday present, assembles, goes to local footie field, and the inevitable happens.

No range check, because they don't know about this
no pre assembly checks
no experience, or help (which is the benefit of a club)

no insurance when the model crashes into the carpark and damages a car (ive seen this)

Sorry, Ive taken this thread way off topic, so wont carry thsi on, apologies to the thread starter!

Hi Martin, glad Doug sorted your spektrum, the problem is we do live in a different world now, back in the 70s 80s and 90s a model rc aircraft was something small boys and even big boys would be in wonder of because you had to spend a lot of time effort,money,and patience to have one.
However that is not the case now, I can go to Tesco just now and for very little money (£35ish) walk out of the door with a small 4 channel 2.4GHz rc plane and go attempt to fly it in my local park.
Now there lies the problem model rc aircraft are no longer things old men like us would spend months making then going to our club fields to fly.
Let's go one step further, let's go to any good model shop and buy, ready to fly, what is described on the box as a "Park flyer" now this Park flyer is capable of over 100mph coming out of a reversal manoeuvre in straight and level flight.
Now we on here would never fly this model in a public place, but a lot of people will and do.
I used to be an active member of SMAE way back but am no longer because I'm lucky enough to have access to a totally private field.
Norman.

Do you NEED insurance to fly a model airplane no. Should you have it YES. its not very long ago a teenager was killed in Dartford.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1447013/Girl-14-killed-by-model-plane-after-near-misses.html

You may take the position that this was a large(ish) model yours will be smaller. While I cannot locate a reff. I have a memory of a story relating to a child killed by a .049 powered model. This was many years ago.

Your idea of a foamy probably being to light to do much harm sounds good until you consider how much mass it holds in ballast. Remember the energy of a moving object is given by 1/2 MV^2. if you have a flying site which is remote from other people and privately owned so there are no members of the public around then again your probably good to go. if however there are chances of other members of the public around then its foolish to take a risk which is not needed.

I haven't heard of that over here, Doug, but it sounds like something I would consider, as it covers more. Last time I tried I couldn't get any sense out of the brokers at all. One couldn't even understand what a "model aircraft" was! Didn't exactly fill me with confidence that I'd end up with anything usable.
I think if the British Model Flying Association was still the Society of Model Aeronautical Engineers I would be far more likely to approach them, but the BMFA can go to hell with its naff logo too. Still don't see where chucking a foamy off a deserted cliff needs insurance! And boats, round here? Nah. This is Fenland, Nothing and nobody.

You need CAA permission for heavy kites over here too. Anything over 11Kg, I think, or a certain size. My old chum built a 1/4 scale Tiger Moth, with a 35cc petrol engine in it. He also has a 1/4 scale Stampe. Huge things.

Martin

Most sensible folks these days have personal 3rd Party insurance, not just the obligatory car insurance!
Like all insurance; if you ain't got it you will one day need it, if you've got it nowt will happen. Sod's Law 😲
Just look for one that covers operating RC models, or at least doesn't exclude it! Some insurers (here at least) offer it as an 'add on' for a peanuts annual premium.
That's what I did here in Germany, 3rd party All Risks.
Costs about €60 per annum but is not just for models.
Would also cover me if I accidentally caused a disaster in a supermarket or whatever.
Don't need any model club or association membership.
Cheers, Doug 😎
The rise in premiums probably comes from the escalating costs of reparation, legal fees and exorbitant awards made to the 'injured party'.
An unfortunate trend spilling over from the US.
E.g. hundreds of thousands for folks who dry their poodles in a microwave just because the manufacturers instructions didn't explicitly say not to do that! According to new ATC laws here any flying model weighing 5kg or more has to have a fireproof plate fitted with full name and address.
Above 20kg you need ATC approval.

Five pounds will buy nothing now so it’s a bit silly comparing this. You could buy a bag of chips for 25p and a new bike for £25 but it all has no relevance. I’m sure you can get your own insurance but £3 a month is hardly expensive given the legal cover medical cover third party and public liability cover available. I never mentioned toy boats or yachts which are obviously slower. I don’t actually know any dedicated private model boat lakes where public have no access so there is always a risk. insurance is all about the risk. That’s what you cover. I bet pretty much the majority of model boaters have no insurance but that doesn’t mean it’s right. Planes are another matter and I believe anybody flying without insurance is reckless irrespective of how long he has been doing it. The risk is greater

You're painting a worst case picture. I'm not against insurance as such, just the expensive nonsense after years of a very reasonable 5 pounds a year with MAP. Why couldn't whoever bought out MAP keep with the insurers. Things go up, sure, but 5 quid to 34? Where did that come from? I don't want to join a club, any club. Why can't I get insurance on my own account? it's stinks of a con to me.
And as for insuring a model yacht or effectively a glorified toy boat, that's going too far. I don't do fast boats, not interested. And frankly, if Johnny has his hands in the water of a dedicated model boat pond, that's his parents look-out. if he puts his foot on the road in front of a cyclist he gets no protection.
How did we ever manage to become enthusiasts in the good old days when we could sail anywhere and not worry about it?

Martin

you don't have to join a club . BMFA (British model flying association) will take none club members, you join as a country member. You don't actually have to take the proficiency test, but most clubs insist on it. Not only does it demonstrate a basic understanding, and basic competency of flight, electric, ic, petrol or free flight, its also an understanding of caa rules and safety. There is also the LMA (Large model association) which also carries public liability insurance.

Flying without insurance just isn't worth the risk, imagine, on a nice hillside, nobody around, up on a thermal, and the tx fails, the soarer comes down, (anywhere as there is now no control) and hits an animal, or worse, a walker, would the £34 for a full year public liability insurance still seem expensive when you are hauled in court facing prosecution and possible imprisonment? Same with an rc boat, particularly a fast one, receiver packs in, boat is out of control, and little jonny has his hands in the water as it hits the bank, still don't think insurance is worthwhile? I bet a lot of people insure their mobile phone for more than £34 a year, by the way, Im sure BMFA insurance also covers other rc disciplines 👍

Wingcoax, it's a soarer, a glider, it can't fly away and to get a certificate I would have to join a club and they are all too expensive. I know I can fly, I've done it before. My old chum who has designed and built over 50 model aircraft is a superb flyer and has never received a moment's "training" in his life. Perhaps if you want to do all that 3D aerobatic showing off stuff it's best to be insured and be checked out by someone who is better than you, but a bit of gentle soaring, assuming I can find somewhere in the Flatlands is just not serious enough to bother.
IF I decided to go motorised I would have to consider insurance, but if it relied upon membership of a club, no, I'd have to stay with model boats, because flying clubs are just too much to justify.

Martin

Martin, Please note that your comment about "no insurance" is misleading. All model flyers should be insured and proved competent by passing at least the BMFA "A"test. This is speaking as a former instructor and "B"certificate holder.

Doug, that is a mystery as to why your Spektrum isn't both DS** As you say, UK was (still is officially) EU.

Nice little bipe there. Looks like it should have an 049 and single channel RC with a "bang-bang" escapement in it. I've seen people do astonishing aeros with such a set-up. I'm not brave enough to try it.

But I do fancy a flying wing soarer. No motor, no chance of fly away, no need for expensive insurance.

Cheers,
Martin

Mornin' 😲Martin,
Yeah, I thought the TX was good for both too. I bought it 'off the shelf' in Conrad, in Tal here in Munich.
Then much later in the small print on Spektrum's website I read -
"DSM2 not for EU models'! 😡
Odd! UK was also in the EU then!?
Will PM U wot I paid for it. Came from HobbyKing - Where else? No wonder model shops are dying like flies 🤔

You're right about plane size.
Last one I built (a few decades ago🤔) was the little Simprop 'Zaunkönig' (= Wren). After I 'd built it I looked at the short double decker wings, about the length of my forearm!, and cut the top plane down the middle and added a centre section to about double the span for more lift, and hopefully to make it less twitchy.See pics. Last pic is the sad mucky state when I found it in the cellar last year.
Shortly after that I moved to Munich and had my hands full with other concerns. Still got the Enya 047 Glowplug and fuel tank intended for it somewhere! Might try fitting a brushless instead.

When I was a kid, around 13 / 14, I made a scratch built (no plan - just 'thinks'!) free flight (RC? Wossat?) soarer.
Basically 3 planks of 36x4x1/4" hard balsa. 72" span, 36" tail boom fuselage. That was BIG in those days.
Bloody thing climbed and flew so well on it's Maiden that the last I saw of it was at zig thousand(?) feet over Hemswell Cliff in Lincolnshire heading due east at a rate of knots 🤔 Had launched it from the top of the water tower at RAF Hemswell, Dad was a Crew Chief on Thor missiles there.
Hope someone in Denmark or Norway had some fun with it 😉 I've often wondered where it ended up.
Must dig my Flying Boat / Wing outta the cellar!
BTW: the foam wing/flying boat and Catalina arrived as kits with the foam cutting already done😁
Cheers, Doug 😎
PS: I still have the Glow-plugs I bought for the 'Zaunkönig', intend to try them as ignition for Flash Paper firing of depth charge throwers and guns on my destroyer. One has to have dreams or there's no progress! 😁
G'night all 😎

There, this says everything about flying wings to me. Watch it all.


Martin

Hi Doug, I could be interested in that Rx of yours. But I thought that the Txs were Ok for either DSMX or DSM2, although I haven't any idea what they are. PM me with a price?

To be honest, I hate working foam and was glad to be rid of the Lightning master in the end. And Mick is such a lovely guy. I'm sure Firme Hahn haven't missed the slab of foam I made it from!

When I were a wee loddy, all RC 'planes were little. 4 foot was a big boy. Now, 4 foot is laughed at. Even a Super 60 is considered small.
I may just go ahead with something of a small trainer level and then slam down the Skystreak 32. We'll have to see. Or it might be a flying wing slope soarer to fly up at my son's place in Berwick on the Scotch borders. Lob it, fly around, land it, go ome. Suits me!

Martin

Hi John, Yep, I know Component Shop, and the Action Electronics modules inside out👍 Have bought ESC mixers and Asdic pingers from them. Good stuff, and some of it dead easy to duplicate! 😲😁

Doug those discs will be ideal for the job. Re buying electronic bits and pieces try the Component Shop here in N.Wales Good prices and excellent service.
https://www.componentshop.co.uk/👍

Hi Martin, have to admit I haven't flown it yet, the damn Orange RX won't work with my TXs 😆 So I'm about to buy the Lemon version, which is supposed to be Spektrum DMX and DSM2 compatible! We'll see!
Guess I could at least do some taxiing trials with a standard RX on the Ostpark lake!? I haven't actually flown anything for nearly 50 years 😲
Did once 'fly' a Victor tanker simulator, that was fun😁
Also flew a real Grumman trainer a few times, from Blackwater airfield near Camberley, just before I left UK for Germany. That was LOADS MORE fun😊

For your 'smallish hairyplanes' the stabiliser RX could also be useful!?
Just so happens 😁 I've got an Orange version, which works with your TX😊, going spare!!😁
In my, admittedly limited, experience small RC planes can be very twitchy and sensitive to winds!
That's why I switched to ship building; two Totals and a Fly-away😡
I can swim but I can't fly 🤔

You absolute nut! You gave away such a treasure! Without even arranging some royalties? I'm surprised at you 😲
1/7, wow! 10 times the size of the Airfix kit I built back then.
The EE Lightning was a nice bird (sheer brute force and ignorance😁), but not a patch on the Hawker Hunter for sheer looks and just STYLE!
I flew the KeilKraft version for while, until I managed to Jetex it outta sight, at RAF Hemswell, now a housing estate I see 🤔
Nostalgia ain't what it used to be, or ...?
Alles gute alter Knacker! Cheers, Doug 😎

Evenin' John,
Yeah, it turned out much easier than I'd expected, as I said it's always easier when you have the 'patient' on your bench! I was expecting to have to get the spectrum analyser warmed up! That's the way it goes sometimes 😊 I can see exactly what my 27 and 40 Meg sets are doing on my 60Meg scope but now I'm getting deeper and deeper into 2.4 Gig tech, and prompted by Martin's snag, I just ordered a little 2.7 Gig analyser!! Curse the expense 'Give the cat another canary' 😉

Many thanks for the die cutting tips. I have some pretty good quality Dremmel diamond tipped cutting discs (0.75mm) so I'm sure they are 'Man enough'!
I 'sucked electronic eggs' so all such mechanical engineering tips are more than welcome 👍 All the best, Doug 😎

Ah, I didn't realise you'd already flown it, Doug. Nice job. Now I see why you'd need a stabiliser. Amazing what they do these days.
When I worked in Germany at the car design studio I made the master for a 1/7th scale EE Lightning. That silly scale because it fit what was available as a jet engine then. I was earning so much I could have (should have) bought a jet every month and not missed it! Then I realised that for years they'd be making better and better ones and what I bought then would have been outdated inside a year or less. So I gave the fuselage and the start of the wings to Mick Reeves and as he was out I left them by his back door ( he lives near me). A little while later he was flogging a 1/7th scale Lightning kit! Who knows? Now, I couldn't afford even a cheapo jet, but there is still the fascination of something the size of a can of beans making the same noise as a real jet.

Martin

Well done mate.Not detracting from your efforts but as you say easy when it bites your hand so to speak. Getting back to Threading dies. What about having a go at splitting some as I posted a bit back. Good quality discs from Bang Good will do the job. it might take a couple for one cut but as long as you can keep them firm,say in a lathe tool holder and the cutting tool in the chuck you can make straight clean cuts. The edges of the cut form the cutting edges. Also note which is the feed side. ie the bigger opening. This is the side you present to the rod to make the cut. Grannies, eggs and sucking come to mind. if they fit many apols.😜👍 John

Me too!
Never mind the cost, imagine the space you need to build and store the beast! Those guys all seem to live in mansions or in their own factories😲

Yeah, you posted Pixhawk already, A380 autopilot to Jo'berg folks!?
The stabiliser RX will do me, don't see much point in flying outta sight, never mind all the German ATC regs 😡
OK for Amazon & Co I suppose.

I know people build real jets I look at them and DROOOOOOOOOL. However at my age and short pockets looking is about all I can afford.

When it comes to stabilising I have a pixhawk in my quadcopter and that is an amazing beast. it is capable of autonomous flight following GPS waypoints then auto landing.

Hi Haverlock,
there are even nuts over here who have made 1/6 Eurofighters, F104 Starfighter (Widow Maker😲) and F18s, with sometimes home-made jet turbines!! Massive beasts and massive costs!
They crop up on DMAX Model Builder series from time to time.
Cheers, Doug 😎

Hi Martin,
The RX with flight stabiliser is for my Catalina flying boat!!
It just helps to keep things under control on windy days 😊
Automatically adjusts to wind gusts.
A tip I got from PMDevlin here on the site👍, who has the same Catalina model and got me hooked😊
First pic is Paul's, second pic mine! BTW: they have two brushless OUT-RUNNERS!!
The stabiliser might help a boat / ship that is sensitive to side winds I suppose!? The auto aileron control wouldn't be a lotta use tho!
Unless of course adjustable stabiliser fins are fitted, like on modern cruise ships😁 The pissibolities are endless these days 😉
More power to your budgets folks, cheers, Doug 😎

Now this one uses an actual jet engine

the short answer is yes it has been done

Doug, is that the Rx with stabiliser that you had trouble with? And what exactly does a stabiliser do in a model boat? And don't say "stabilise".

If I did do airyplanes they would be smallish as I don't have space for big stuff and then you're into IC with fuel costs or big battery packs for big expensive brushlesseseseses. I must admit, whilst the really fast boats make you think, "Bloody hell" a few times they do become boring. Actually I find they all become boring as there isn't the involvement as with an aircraft, which is why I thought sailing models would be a good compromise. if I lived in a hilly area I would be a slope soarer, but I live in the Flatlands!
Now flying boats/floatplanes is an idea, but you'd need a large body of water.

I wonder if you could make a ducted fan Bluebird K7?


Martin

Read further down and he clarifies that.
Apart from that you can regard all brushed motors for models as 'In-runners' if you will!
BTW: your last video was interesting, as far as it goes, for those into breaking the model boat speed record or competitive racing.
For me the the boats themselves are totally boring, but that's just me 😉
I suspect that the majority of us here are more interested in scale modelling with a run time of more than 5 minutes.
I believe Martin's planes are relatively small so I'm not sure if a small prop will be be a limiting factor. Choice will likely finally depend on the space available in the fuselage! Like I said 'Each to his own' 👍
Anyway, I'm convinced; leave the in-runners to the car racing boys😉
I only have outrunners anyway, even my Catalina arrived with two outrunners!! Mus check the 'Flying Wing' again😲
Thanks for the heads up! 'Tempus fugit' and progress too!
Cheers, Doug 😎

reading the rc advisor I found one point VERY strange he states in runners still have brushes ???? All together children " OH no they don't"

I had forgotten the ducted fan use however yes ducted fans with a need for high RPM and less torque in runners are the obvious choice.

Don't see where it says that but WTH!
Each to his own! 😉
http://rcadvisor.com/inrunner-vs-outrunner-motors
I 'sit' corrected 🤐
Cheers, Doug 😎

and yet another in runner in a boat



on 8 cells!

in runners get used in the model car crowd other than that they are used in FAST boats. As with most things its a trade off in runners lower torque but more revs ( for any given wattage ) match the prop to the motor and your going faster with an in runner.



one example!

Just tell um,😜 it got lost in the mail!😲 Just kidding!

Hi Martin,
Just For Fun: I just tried your TX with my Orange RX with stabiliser.
It works perfectly, so you ain't gettin' your TX back 😁😁😁

Interesting! Up to now I'd only seen the contrary.
One lives and learns, thanks 👍

BTW: then what is an in Runner good for???

sorry but most flying crash test models use outrunners. The lack of torque of an inrunner means you have to use a very small diameter prop ( I am generalising ) so unless your going for an all out speed model use an outrunner.

http://lmmac.net/i-c-to-electric-conversion-table/

As you can see an outrunner is shown as the representative motor.

https://www.cmfhobbies.com/IC-Engine-to-Electric-motor-convertion/I205.htm

Again generally out runners.