Saw and answered the PM John.
Get well soon 👍 But keep the stickies off the nurses 😉😁

Hi John,
Thank you for the idea.
I will have a look around and see what I have got and experiment.
You should also place this in the Hints and Tips forum topic.
Excellent thanks again.
Martin.

hi there
how about this one - old as the hills this - an old alarm clock cog mounted in an old file handle - it makes the perfect tool for simulating rivets in thin plasticard. I know I often go round at the old flea markets etc and look for pieces for old clocks - I look in the boxes for old bits of letterbox flaps etc., cos sometimes the flaps are made from brass. Its marvellous the stuff you can find/reuse in modelling.

Keep on modelling - as they say

John

Thanks Doug Yep you're right journey not over Now getting hips sorted after smashing ⚡🚤femur to splinters. See PM.

Don't be such a shrinking violet John.
Your wealth of experience and tips an' tricks, not to mention tracking down useful tools, bits and pieces etc, has surely helped many over the years.
Stick around, the journey is not over yet👍
Cheers, Doug 😮

Hi,
Thanks for the welcome.
The skills and knowledge of the members on this site make it worth joining.
Martin.

Welcome I too have been modelling since about '55 making simple lateen 👎sail yachts. Celluloid sails a round lolly stick a block of wood and a bit of steel for a keel. Dad cut the steel with a hackie and made the slot for it. They sailed surprisingly well. I've not made much contribution here as I'm not active just now but I add the odd comment or idea into the mix. Ha Ha I don't know if I've helped anyone but no one has complained. YET LOL. We are all le⚡🚤arning so stick with us and enjoy.

Hi Red,
I will be using them in plastic card.
I will not by using them as I planned as it will take me years to complete.
So I will use a few just to add to the look.
Thanks.
Martin.

Martin , forgot to ask if you were using it on plates or direct to hull. If litho, plastic, or thin card plates you can use a dressmakers wheel from the back - I have two of different size wheels for different spacing - they are pretty cheap so I would not advise trying to borrow you know who's , That would be much quicker to do.

Agree with Dodgy - Chinese pins are much softer - trying to use so called office pins from China found they bent easily

Hi Guys,
Thank you for your suggestions much appreciated.
I must admit when I cut the pins I did do it in a plastic bag as I knew they would shoot of like a bullet and it saved me from treading on the off cuts.

Martin.

"....although I did try some as an experiment and broke a pair of small cutters so ended up using pliers.
They're tough little things to cut..."

Decent quality dressmaking pins are made out of hardened steel, and are probably best cut with a Dremel disk.

The cheapest Chinese Ebay pins are often made out of soft wire, and are easy to bend or cut. They are useless for dressmaking, but they are cheap, and would do this job perfectly...

"I did try some as an experiment and broke a pair of small cutters so ended up using pliers.
They're tough little things to cut."

Hi Martin,
If you have a Dremel or similar mini drill, try using a diamond cutting disc.
Stick a row of pins into a block of balsa or similar put the block in a vice and whizz along with the cutting disc.
DO PLEASE WEAR SAFETY GLASSES!! 🤓 Even using the pliers.
We don't want you wandering about with porcupine eyes!!
Happy pinning, Doug 😎

Hi Ken,
I think I will be going with the dress making pins.
I am not at the position to use them yet it was a bit of forward planning, although I did try some as an experiment and broke a pair of small cutters so ended up using pliers.
They're tough little things to cut.
I was thinking about riveting every panel but that could take me about twenty years!
Now that I have retired and my model making budget is almost zero I have to work out how to make things from nothing and I must admit I am starting to get good at it.
As you may of seen in my HMS Cottesmore log I use things like yogurt pots BBQ sticks and any thing that I can to achieve the end results.
I also strip the insulation from wire and use the wire for hand rails and stanchions.
It is surprising what you can make from all sorts of recycled stuff.
Sorry I drifted away from your question, yes I will show you the results.
Thank you for showing interest, I am really glad that I joined this site. I have now got fellow modellers to share and contact and that is what keeps me going with this hobby.

Martin.

Thanks again Fred.
I must admit that the members on this site help, it is much appreciated.
Thanks.
Martin.

Martyn555

Have a look at this site https://www.cambrianmodelrail.co.uk they have 16mm rivet's at £2.00 + P/P for 230. for got to say type in NA7 Rivet Heads.

I have used them myself

Fred

Rivetting stuff!! 😂🤣
Seriously though Folks! 🤓
Some good sources here, though I shudder to think what it would cost to do my 1/72 destroyer, let alone how long 😮 Anyone got a scale pop rivetter??

Hi Fred,
Thank you for that I will take a look at that site later this evening when the wife is watching her soaps.

Martin.

Hi
Have found these at £16.65 for 1200, https://www.vario-helicopter.biz/uk/Scale-Fittings-Accessories/General/Scale-Exterior-Parts/Rivets/Self-adhesive-rivets-silver-grey::33787.html

I have also found that some of the train outlets have scale rivets, we used to have a show that was mostly trains and one of the outlets had them.

Fred

This is definitely the sort of thing that needs to be under a hints and tips section . The US idea of transferable dots is great but with our exchange rate would be a outrageous price here unfortunately.

Hi Fred,
Thank you for the information.
That looks a very interesting sit I will have to study it in more detail.
Thanks.
Martin.

Hi Martin555
Have a look at this site http://www.archertransfers.com/SurfaceDetailsMain.html

Fred

Hi Ken,
I have been making models for many years now but there is always something that you come across that you know what you want to achieve but don't know how to get the results that you want.
Like these rivets I tried different things but just couldn't get the results I wanted.
Hopefully today I will try the dressmaking pins and see how that looks.

Martin.

Hi John,
Thank you,
I am going to have to jot all of these little bits of information down.
Unfortunately my memory is not as good as it used to be.
Thanks again.
Martin.

hi there

these little rivets were suggested to myself, when I was building a model of a tug - for the rivets around the funnel. But, I never actually used the rivets so they are still here in the box ready for me to try. I cannot therefore comment on what they are like to use. However, its more food for thought/another method for you to try if your dressmakers' pins idea doesn't work or turn out to your liking.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Czech-Master-Button-headed-Rivets-1-0mm-x-60-002/372254346213?hash=item56ac168be5:g:d1AAAOSw90xasl9s

John

Hi Colin,
Yes I think you are right.
I have been finding my way around this site and have seen fantastic models and I really admire the skills of many of the members.
And as you say you are learning all the time, there must be so many little tricks and tips out there.

Martin.

Hi Martin, I thought the same as you, but within a few days I realised that I have arrived at the place that really helps everyone. I have been modelling since 1955 but I'm still learning with the help of this site.
Cheers Colin.

Hi Ken,
Thanks for the idea.
The wife has found some pins so I will do a test run tomorrow.
Although I am new to this site a am surprised that you guys help as I have read other sites and they seem to ignore new Guys.
There seems to be good members here on this site.

Hi,
Thank you for the idea.
I will look on the net at it thank you.
If we had a hints and tips section on this site, this is the sort of thing that should be on it.
Thanks again.
Martin.

Hi
You can buy a silicone rubber molds (green stuff world) on Ebay. The mould can produce rivet and nut heads etc in various sizes. You fill the mould with FIMMO clay and put in your oven to harden. You will need a bit of patience gluing them on.
I have use the hex nuts to great effect on my models. I Also have used dome headed craft pins.
Just ask if you need more information

Hi Red,
Thank you for your idea, I must admit I did not think of that.
I have just looked at one and I think that they will do just fine.
I have now got my wife searching for more.
So I will have to drill a small hole and cut down the pins and glue them in.(this will take quite some time to do but I think it will look right.)
Thanks again.
Martin.

Have you tried dress making pins ? you get some with a very fine rounded head in the sort of shops better halves tend to like. I have some here but a bit far away.
Fellow member of our old club in Johannesburg made a plated trawler hull using them (slightly larger pin heads) , simply cut off short and pushed in with a dab of glue. Used original for a mould and can recall a few hulls were made which were very effective.