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    πŸ“ Aerokits Plans
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    Rookysailor wrote .....Your quite correct there Doug, this blog has been here months ago, and there were lots of moans about the plans being wrong, I never had problem with them, but have been building years😌
    I think Don will be pleased as I have just been on his website, and he has the plans for both the Sea Nymph and the Sea Urchin, which Don said he was after.😐

    I also found his plans were fine , they photo copies of the original, the problem was the hand drawn frames which he said were accurately drawn , they were abysmal , Stevie Wonder could have done a better job , but as the Urchin is so small I have ordered a set of plans from him and will loft my own frames from the plan and side views

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    πŸ“ Aerokits Plans
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    I looked for his site online and I got a link to

    http://eezebuilt.co.vu/
    πŸ“ Aerokits Plans
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    That looks really good, just been and downloaded it
    Thanks for the heads up

    Don

    πŸ“ Aerokits Plans
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    Cheers Doug

    Just PMd him

    πŸ“ Aerokits Plans
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    Hi
    Any idea where I can get copies of aerokits plans
    I'm looking for the

    Sea Urchin
    Sea Nymph
    Sea Scout
    Sea Rover

    I was told that Jokita sold them but on contacting them it appears not
    I already have the sea Commander , Sea Hornet and Sea Queen plans but I now want the smaller boats
    Big boats take up too much room and SHMBO is starting to moan

    If anyone has copies of those I need or knows where I could find copies I would be very grateful

    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    Town3810 wrote
    I wish I had never said anything or about Biro pretend deck planking Cheers Ian T

    I'm lucky in as much as I have a laser cutter so by turning the power down I can burn the lines into the deck then turn it up to cut the deck outline

    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    RNinMunich wrote
    Hi Chris,
    If 'HE' "is blatantly copying the original kit drawings with Aerokits on them rather than redrawing them" why are they such 'freehand' rubbish?
    Surely the 'original kit drawings' were not!

    No, you misunderstand , the original drawings are great, but aerokits never included frames with their plans as the frames were pre cut in the kit

    "HE" blatantly copies the Aerokit plan then hand draws the frames which are Crap. The side and plan view are excellent copies , but his selling point is he is the only person who includes the frames with his plans which he says are drawn to a high standard. in fact he says just put the frame drawings on the wood and cut out . That would be fine if you want a twisted boat . You cant make a straight boat when the two sides of a frame are not mirror images of each other

    Don

    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    You are correct of course in saying it stops me leaving bad feedback , but it doesn't stop me informing Ebay that its not only copyrighted material it is also not as described πŸ˜‰

    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    I found the best way is to take height and widths from the side and plan viewsof the main plan and draw new frames from there. I will know if I got it right when I build it. I know one thing for certain, they will be a better fit than the drawings he sent me , at least they are symetric about the center line

    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    Well I sent him an ebay msg expressing how displeased I was
    with the quality of his High Standard drawings and he said send them back for a full refund , so thats fair enough I suppose. its just a shame that a lot more people will also fall for the same
    thing . I did ask him if Stevie Wonder had drawn them

    He did try the trick of saying it says printed to a high standard but I pointed out it said Hand Drawn & printed ( to a high standard ). I did suggest he changed his listing to say hand drawn to the best of my ability which is pretty poor but printed to a high standard.
    it also says on the listing just transfer the drawings to the wood and cut them out. Well considering the frames are not mirror images side to side thats going to make a very twisted boat

    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    As it said drawn and printed to a high standard I read that as they are both drawn to a high standard and printed to a high standard and I think Ebay will see it that way too

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    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    Well , I'm sorry to say our fears were correct because the
    first of the two plans (Sea Commander) arrived this morning and
    as others have found the high quality drawings are absolute
    SH*T 😑

    I think all curved lines were hand sketched by someone with very shaky hands 😲

    I shall try and attach some pics.

    The first shows his attempt at the front windows
    A scan of his efforts is at the top , the correct drawing is below it

    The second picture is his attempt at the rear deck . One edge is a hand drawn wiggly line that should be straight . The drawing is too high, and the two sides should taper in towards the back . His drawing has one tapering in towards the back but the other side tapers outwards

    The third picture is a scan of one of the frames which is folded in two so as to check that both sides of it are mirror images . They are not even close

    So I will wait for my second plan to arrive (Sea Queen) which I expect to be no better and then put in my claim for not as described

    Drawn to a high standard ? what a joke

    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    Hi Chris

    Yes I will let you know what they are like , but if they are as bad
    as you say I will ask for a refund, I cant see why you would accept paying for them and then redraw them yourself . His listing clearly states the frames and other parts are drawn to a high standard and if they are not then they are not as described and Ebay will get you a refund

    Don

    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    Rookysailor wrote.....

    Hello Don, Cannot understand as to why you could not fined the plans for the Sea Queen on Ebay, here is the direct link.....


    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEA-QUEEN-VINTAGE-MODEL-BOAT-PLAN...
    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    I also bought a copy of the sea commander plans while I was there

    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    Hi Steve
    yes I sent him a msg on Ebays ask seller a question

    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    Hi Town3810
    I read your post again , but carefully this time and saw I need to search under model boats not aerokit plans .
    I found his site but he appears to have everything but a sea queen which is the one I'm after

    but thanks for the heads up

    Don

    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    Hi Canabus , I think you are right when you say Aerokits didnt show the frames on their plans . I suppose there was no need as the frames would already be in the kit.
    I just thought that as others have probably built from a copy of the plan that they may have already drawn up the frames and its pointless drawing them up again if they are already available , but if not I will have to get around to drawing them up

    Don

    πŸ“ Sea Queen Frames
    5 years ago by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ donrecardo ( Able Seaman)
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    Hi
    I was lucky enough to be given a set of Sea Queen plans by a member on this forum but of course the plans dont show the frames and they need to be drawn up from the lines on the side and plan views .
    Its not that I cant do it but it seems silly re inventing the wheel if someone has already done it .
    So if any one has drawings of the frames for the Aerokits Sea Queen 46" I would be very grateful for a copy

    Cheers
    Don



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