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    Ketch Barge "Pearl of Ipswich"
    by Joe727 ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    ๐Ÿ“ Sail Servo, power switch type
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    The location of the sail servo was determined by mocking up all sail sheeting and through deck opening locations. Servo is a Futaba S3802, I have used this Servo type on many boats including my US1Meter racing yacht and some sailing fishing trawlers. Very powerful.

    The servo arm is scratch built out of carbon fiber sheet and I use fishing pole eyelets in the openings for smooth sliding of the sheets.

    While wood glue is drying on the servo mount blocks, I am prepping the power switch. See photo for Dubro switch type that I use on all of my boats. You must buy a small slide switch to mount on this. I modify these by threading a longer metal rod to replace the short one in the kit. This enables me to mount these through the boats deck and keep it above the deck somewhat to keep water sloshing on the deck from getting in the boat.

    Examples of the end result are shown in two photos, one from my brooklyn tug and one from my rescue pusher tug.
    More to come.
    Joe
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Sail Servo, power switch type
    3 months ago by Hillro ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi Joe, very impressive work.
    I note from your posts that you have a lot of experience in putting together sail plans and using rc to control the sailing.
    I am building a Scottish fishing vessel Zulu class. The boats started as sail driven then motorised.
    The plans I have are for the motorised version.
    I have included a photograph of the sail version. Can you advise on how to arrange the sails on the model and their controls.
    Thanks in advance Bob.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Sail Servo, power switch type
    3 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Bob,
    I would be glad to help. Just sent you a Private Message.
    Joe
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Sail Servo, power switch type
    2 months ago by roycv ( Able Seaman)
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    Hi I see you use a smaller tube tied to mast for the gooseneck. I now solder the tube to a larger diameter tube which is a close fit to the mast. But in place of the bent wire I use a plastic aileron hinge.
    They come in varying sizes and are a very strong plastic. I use ones about 3 mm dia. and each hinge is about 3cm long. This allows the boom to move vertically while the lower part of the hinge rotates in the smaller tube.

    The boom is drilled out to take the plastic hinge but it is easy to cut it a bit shorter if necessary. This is then glued in place
    I drill a very small dia, hole in the portion of plastic hinge protruding beneath the tube and slip in a tightly fitting wire to stop the gooseneck from pulling out.
    I also fit a boom vang to limit upward movement of boom.
    If you feel it is a bit obvious then choose a neutral colour and 'paint it out'.
    Roy
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Sail Servo, power switch type
    2 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Roy,
    Sounds interesting, maybe you could post a picture of your gooseneck when you get a chance.

    My gooseneck setup does not allow for much adjustment but I think it will work for a slow moving sailing barge. When I build gooseneck and vangs for racing yachts they are much more complex and allow for fine tuning.

    Thanks for the interest, I plan to resume this build soon but I waiting for access to the pond. I need to check the exact point of lateral resistance of the hull before I finalize the sail shapes and sizes.
    Joe
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Sail Servo, power switch type
    2 months ago by roycv ( Able Seaman)
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    Hi I agree the racing machines are of a different order. I only do scale sail, but at the moment I am working on a 27 inch loa hull I bought on Gumtree, well actually I have 2 very similar hulls They look identical but have some small variations in beam, both carved out of a single piece of wood a bit like a half size Marblehead from the late 50's.
    They are really well made (and I am b****y fussy), only needed a bit of cleaning up. It was a bargain 2 beautiful hulls for ยฃ30 the pair, I had to go to Salisbury to pick them up but well worth the journey.
    I have, like yesterday, just set one of them up with the sails from an Aeronaut Bella. Fortunately the hulls are hollowed out and now I shall fit the RC ready to get out and sail asap.
    I will take some photos and work out how to post them.
    regards Roy
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Sail Servo, power switch type
    2 months ago by roycv ( Able Seaman)
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    Hi Joe I usually manage to work out the CLR using the bath. I put a strip of masking tape about where I expect it to be then use a pencil to push the yacht sideways. I mark the tape and work my way along pushing and marking. When I can always use the same point to push the yacht sideways several times that is what I opt for.

    Some say to not have the rudder in but I always leave it in place. I then place the C of E 4% ahead of the waterline length of the CLR. That decides where the mast position is. This works for my scale and sailing yachts.

    Does this work out for competitive yachts? Perhaps you use another method?
    regards Roy
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    ๐Ÿ“ Wheelhouse, Masts, Booms, fittings
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    The Wheelhouse was designed to cover the rudder servo. Just mocked up right now, built with basswood, more detail will be added. Hole in roof is for the Mizzen Sail sheeting. Made two sheeting tubes out of brass which I am about to locate and epoxy through the decking.

    Masts are made from birch and are hand tapered with a small wood plane. All booms are made from discarded carbon fiber arrow shafts. I have been using these for years on all of my boats including my 1 meter racing yachts. Fittings are made from bits of wood and brass. I use hand tools to cut and form the brass and wood items.

    I spent two years on a work assignment on Grand Cayman Island and I built a Falmouth Gaff rigged cutter to occupy my spare time. All I had was some hand tools I brought with me, I learned to stay away from power tools and got back to the way I learned from my father and grandfather in the 50's. Now, I first try to build most things with hand tools only, it's very satisfying. More to come, thanks for the interest.
    Joe
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Wheelhouse, Masts, Booms, fittings
    4 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Highly commendable Joe, and excellent results ๐Ÿ‘
    Oink oink ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Wheelhouse, Masts, Booms, fittings
    4 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Joe,
    Nice work.
    Looks excellent.
    I do the same as i do not have all the clever tools.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Wheelhouse, Masts, Booms, fittings
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Doug, Thanks for the kind words. So you spotted the pig, not sure how it got on board. (did not ask permission).
    Cheers, Joe
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Wheelhouse, Masts, Booms, fittings
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Thank you Martin๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Wheelhouse, Masts, Booms, fittings
    4 months ago by marky ( Captain)
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    Excellent build Joe,and that's not a porky ๐Ÿ‘
    Cheer's Marky
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Wheelhouse, Masts, Booms, fittings
    4 months ago by Nerys ( Commodore)
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    Joe, I don't know if, or how much you have studied the type of barge that you are building, but there is an excellent book on the subject, 'The Big Barges' by Harvey Benham and Roger Finch. The one you are building 'Pearl' of Ipswich is mentioned and photographed in the book as she was the last of the Ipswich boomies and ended her days as the 'Pearl Wood' at Hoo after spending some years as a powder hulk anchored off Gravesend.

    Cheers, Nerys
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Wheelhouse, Masts, Booms, fittings
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Nerys,
    The two books that I used for my research are Sailing Barges by Frank Carr and Barges by John Leather. Both have photos and drawings of the Pearl and the history as you mentioned. I chose the Pearl because there were enough drawings that I could build her from scratch. As mentioned earlier, I am building a RC boat so primarily the hull and sail types will be close to the original. The deck layout will be more to accommodate the RC aspects of the boat.

    As to the sails, I will use the general sail plan however, I first determine the Center of Lateral Resistance of the hull during water float tests, then I design the sails to the correct Center of Effort. Then I cross my finger and hope for the best during sea trials.

    Working on the sail servo, arm design and sheeting now, more photos to come once I get through this effort.
    Joe
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    ๐Ÿ“ substructure photos
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    I found some photos I had prior to decking that I thought might be of use.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: substructure photos
    4 months ago by mturpin013 ( Captain)
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    Coming along nicely, really nice workmanship.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: substructure photos
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Thank you for the comment!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: substructure photos
    4 months ago by Nerys ( Commodore)
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    Very impressive workmanship, this build is coming along very well and your ability to do so much work with purely hand tools is a breathe of fresh air. Carry on, you're doing great.

    Nerys
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    ๐Ÿ“ Deck & Hatches
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Sub-Deck installed and I will have to decide on planking later. Hatches framed out, hatch covers made from basswood side and very thin plywood roofs. Used neo magnets to secure covers in place, these are very strong magnet!

    Slot through hull, barely visible, is for the keel. Modifying an old US1Meter keel and lead bulb as needed for sailing at the pond.
    Bowsprit bits shown and opening through bow for sprit which will be retractable for transport and storage.

    Working on masts and booms to accommodate gaff rigging, etc. Wheelhouse and rudder being designed now.

    My focus is on making a RC Sailing boat, so I am not replicating fine details of the original barge, but making everything workable. My background previously has been on racing boats, like the US1Meter class. More to come shortly, working on this full time (retired), started again last night. Thank you for your support.
    Joe
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Deck & Hatches
    4 months ago by Nerys ( Commodore)
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    Your progress is very impressive, I can see you having her sailing in a week or two from what you say. Lovely shape bow on her. You seem to be doing everything right at very high speed and I think your decision to make her principally a sailing model rather than to precise detail is a good one.

    Cheers, Nerys
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Deck & Hatches
    4 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Looking good Joe.
    Enjoy your retirement.
    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Deck & Hatches
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Thanks Martin, I have been just as busy in my retirement as when I was working. Can't sit still and I like to work! Joe
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    ๐Ÿ“ Sailing Barge- Build Blog resuming.....
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Hello,
    Pulling this Sailing Barge Build out of storage after being out of action for a year. Now if I can just find all of the parts that I was making....

    Will continue this blog, thanks for your interest.
    Joe
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Sailing Barge- Build Blog resuming.....
    4 months ago by Nerys ( Commodore)
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    Pleased to hear that you have resumed work on your ketch rigged barge.You were getting on so well with her when we last saw photos of the framework. Really looking forward to seeing the completed model as these 'big' barges are somewhat overlooked by most model barge builders.

    All the best, Nerys
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Sailing Barge- Build Blog resuming.....
    4 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Nerys,
    Thank you for the note and words of encouragement. I have seen your contributions on the site so I am grateful that you will follow the blog.

    Intend to do photos of the decking tomorrow.
    Joe
    Joe
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Sailing Barge- Build Blog resuming.....
    4 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Joe,
    I have just read through your build log and i think you are doing a fantastic job.
    Keep up the good work.
    I will be following your build.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Update
    1 year ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Hello, I have not posted recently as this is my first planking and I am not proud of the results. As I have progressed in modeling I will redo things if I am not happy with the results...

    Now debating whether to start over or continue. I always want to be proud of my results and craftsmanship, so the dilemma๐Ÿ™ˆ๐Ÿ˜‹๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿถ๐Ÿšค. My tendency is to start over, comments?
    Joe
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Update
    1 year ago by Radioray ( Able Seaman)
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    Hi Joe, My planning wasn't too good either. I used balsa strip to make it easier, filled in with filled and lined the interior with fine glass matt and resin. As I often become became in the lake I sail on in S.France I installed an on-board motor. I used part of a fiberglass fishing pole for the last and did away with the rigging to save time at the lake. It sails very well. Ra

    matt
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Update
    1 year ago by Radioray ( Able Seaman)
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    Oops couple of spelling errors. Planning should read planking ... filler was the other word spelt incorrectly.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Update
    1 year ago by mturpin013 ( Captain)
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    Don't despair Joe, be positive, how good is it?
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Update
    1 year ago by tomarack ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi,
    I can recommend this little booklet
    https://docplayer.net/44439682-Building-a-model-thames-saili...

    maybe you can visit next pages at facebook(Model Thames Sailing Barges)
    >https://www.facebook.com/groups/1036890286476399/

    maybe > https://www.modelboats.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=131302&p...

    next pages > https://www.ivorbittle.com/
    I think Ivor Bittle is directly concerned with some issues related directly to Pearl

    Wishing Success Tom
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    ๐Ÿ“ Auxiliary motor, rudder servo, bowsprit bitts
    1 year ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Back to posting again....I decided to added an auxiliary motor since I had several laying around and it will come in handy when I am tweaking the sailing setup in case I get stuck in the middle of the pond. Made a stuffing tube just like I did on my rescue tug build. Made a shaft from some 3/16" steel rod, threaded it and polished it up, works great.

    Photo of the aft section shows continued hull framing and upside down mount of the rudder servo. I will enclose the servo with the small pilot house as is typical on the barge. This will make maintenance and adjustment access easy.

    Yes, the build is wandering away from the true "Pearl" which I used the hull plans from. it will maintain the same sail plan, but I will modify some items for ease of RC use.

    Bowsprit will be retractable, bitts are shown in progress. The bowsprit will be made from a carbon fiber "arrow shaft". Mast will be wood and I am shaping out of maple that I have.

    Staring to plank the hull as well. More to come shortly,
    Joe

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    ๐Ÿ“ Rudder location, blocking, fabrication
    1 year ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Looking at the proper rudder location, I added some 1/4 triangular hardwood blocking to both sides of the centerboard. Needed blocking to drill through. Was able to pickup the work board and all fit under my drill press to keep the hole plumb. Rudder post will be a 1/4 brass rod with brass tube as a bushing. See photo, brass tube in hull.

    Next, I built a rudder substructure assembly which will be covered later with a wood or styrene full size rudder to fit the era. Took some very thin brass and formed it around the post, some brass plate and soldered as seen in photos. Brass heats up and solders well using my soldering station.

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    ๐Ÿ“ Simple Building board
    1 year ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Hello, Photos attached show my quick inexpensive building board. All I needed was a lightweight, movable board that I could clamp to.
    I had a scrap of tempered hardboard about 35" x 16, so I cut two strips from it at about 2" wide from it and used them as legs to keep the thin top flat and straight. Then took some scrap wood pieces as a method to glue and secure. Result was a little table that I could clamp to. Hope this makes sense, but point is work with what you have, I considered a trip to the lumber company for wood, glad I didn't.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Clamp Chaos
    1 year ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Hello, it's been a slow week as I started out having some teeth pulled, put me off track so I missed getting some photos. I will get some better shots of what the keel board looks like once I get some clamps out of the way. I will photo how I do the last four ribs as well. Photos show my makeshift board with clamps everywhere. Joe

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Clamp Chaos
    1 year ago by steve-d ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    I'm assuming this will be a planked hull in which case would it not have been better to build the hull upside down?

    Steve

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Clamp Chaos
    1 year ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Steve,
    You are quite right, I intend to flip it over, build some jigs, when it's time to do the hull "planking". My methods are to experiment along the way on a Build, try different ideas along the way. Decided that I first wanted to build a very straight, rigid keel with stern and bow ribs first. That's why the build board is just a lightweight flat straight surface, I figure out how to clamp it best as I go. Your interest and comments are appreciated, it made me think more about the planking, thanks! Joe

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