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    34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
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    ๐Ÿ“ Painting and Fitting-out
    9 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    I used Johnstones Trade Wood Primer and Grey Undercoat for the base layers, sanding between each coat to try to get a smooth finish. The hull is painted "Victory Red" and "Black", and the waterline painted white with Craftmaster Signwriting Enamel
    I made a frame to sit the boat on, using my laser level to project a level line on the boat and after an attempt to paint to this line, changed to sticking a masking tape layer along the line to get a decent line. It was really difficult to paint a line over the chines!
    I used Craftmaster Signwriting enamel for the Upper structure - in Silver Grey, Charcoal and Raw Sienna - unconventional it maybe, but at this point I'm not planning to add any fittings to the boat, other than Port & Starboard lights, but am very tempted to paint FIRE and add the RAF Roundels - maybe after I've done running trials!
    I've still to fit the rudder mechanism, but filled the prop shaft and rudder post with grease, and tested the RC, and it all works, so ๐Ÿคž for a water test in the bath soon!
    Do I add polycarbonate windows - or do I need airflow through the boat?

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Painting and Fitting-out
    5 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    PeteJev,
    Thanks for the suggestion re SLEC. I actually had them make me a set of windows and frames for the version of the boat that I have, but I think my drawings were "not the best", so am still trying to decide what to do - and consider if I need to leave the windows out to keep the motor cool
    Regarding the FIRE and roundel decals, I will paint them if I decide to add them.

    Since my last post I have done a successful bath float test, with no leaks, and need some small weights for ballast to the waterline!

    Your boat is looking great, and I like the stand you have for it!

    Cheers!
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Painting and Fitting-out
    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง PeteJev ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi Back in the Groove, are you aware that SLEC models do a decal set for the FIRE wording RAF roundels etc and also an acrylic precision cut window set. I am at similar stage of construction with mine also an original Keil Kraft / Aerokits 34" version. I tested my watertightness on a large puddle that appeared at the bottom of my lawn after a rainstorm!! Must get on and finish it this year.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Restarting the Refurbishment
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    After a very long pause ๐Ÿ™„, I have resumed work on the Crash Rescue Tender.

    I found and tested the new electronics I'd bought:
    Controller: M-Troniks G2 Hydra 50
    Motor: M-Tronics Brushless 1900KV 600can (came with Controller)
    Antenna: Futaba R3106GF
    Rudder Servo: Futaba S3004
    Batteries: 2 x VP Racing Battery Ni-Mh 10x2600mAh 12V
    Transmitter: Futaba T6L Sport

    and found the new hardware:
    Prop-Shaft: 9โ€ x 5mm dia. (8mm dia tube) with bearing
    Rudder: Brass 5mm shaft

    Having stripped the paint from the boat, and removed the old propellor and rudder tubes, I set about fitting the new propellor and rudder tubes.
    I made a new motor support to ensure alignment with the propellor tube.
    I had to enlarge the prop tube hole to 8.5mm to ensure the resin would flow all round the tube for the best seal
    Having never used this type of resin, I went for Z-POXY 30min 2-pack, sealing up the outlet of the rudder tube with blu-tak (with space for waste that I would file off once set) and made a small frame from thick card to contain the resin in the hull I drilled a hole to ensure resin got all the way into the prop-tube hole. I poured the resin with the motor, prop-tube and shaft, and outer support all in place to get good alignment, and twisted the prop tube post-pour, to ensure the resin flowed all round for a good seal
    I would use a shorter set-time resin in future!

    Next, I set about fitting the missing gunwale rubbing and chine strakes. Over 50 years ago, Dad had obviously decided heโ€™d gone far enough and hadn't fitted any.

    I steamed the Obechi Gunwale strakes using a plastic tube and wallpaper steamer, then clamped them to a frame mould Iโ€™d cut to shape them, which made them easier to glue and pin. I used J Perkins Aliphatic Resin, and the tiny Amati pins and โ€œnailerโ€ โ€“ which proved particularly challenging on the beech chine strakes

    Overall very pleased with how this is going together. Now to find some paint!

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Restarting the Refurbishment
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    AlessandroSPQR - Here's that Photo!. I'd use the 15 minute version next time!
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Restarting the Refurbishment
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น AlessandroSPQR ( Admiral)
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    This is very interesting work. Thanks for sharing many construction details.
    How did you find this resin Z-POXY? Could you take a picture of the label?
    ๐Ÿ“ Float Test!
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    So having stripped out all the old equipment - see image of home made rudder servo! - I decided to check for leaks. I used some soup cans for ballast, and after around 45 mins found some water coming up the old 3/16" x 9" prop shaft.
    Having asked advice on the forum, I need a new 5mm prop shaft, but will wait until I have the motor, before ordering one. I may need a different length, and now I know I'm opening the hull, I may as well fit a new metric rudder and tube too ๐Ÿค”

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Float Test!
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi,
    I like that old servo system, using that system slightly modified you could control all sorts of things.

    Martin555.
    ๐Ÿ“ 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    It must have been in the early '70's when my father and brothers built this model. It had a car blower motor, a home made server to steer (see picture), and my eldest brother built the RC system. We had fun on many boating lakes on holidays in North Wales, and I've decided to refurbish her, and get her on the water again. She was named "Endeavour", as my mother said it took a lot of endeavour to build her! I think I'm going to fit the missing chine and gunwale stringers and repaint her as a Fireboat - of some sorts!
    I'd like to go modern with the RC, motor (brushless?) and metal geared servo.
    Any advice - particularly on motor sizing would be appreciated. I saw a similar Fireboat on the water at Southport Model Boat Club open day recently, with an 850 motor, which seemed to sail very nicely

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Graham93,
    That plan looks exactly like the one I have - only mine is much more yellow! I have 2 other documents - the Building Instructions and "Constructional Details"
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Re: There were actually ten versions of the Fire Float (seemingly often erroneously called a 'Crash Tender')

    Rightly or wrongly, referring to these as 'Crash Tenders' probably has something to do with this!

    Graham93
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฟ๐Ÿ‡ฆ redpmg ( Commodore)
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    Looks like there were only 4 actual designs Doug - 3 specific fireboat types/prototypes - the other 7 based on seaplane tenders - obviously with appropriate water cannon fitted - most of us have never heard of the 55' and 60' versions before - and we are interested modellers.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Thanks Elsrickle - really helpful to understand all factors affecting performance

    Bill
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฟ๐Ÿ‡ฆ redpmg ( Commodore)
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    Whoops - engage mind before opening mouth ........
    Thought you were talking about models of which there must have been thousands of versions built including commercial toy types - a scratch built 6' one I saw running in the sea - looking just like the real one - powered by a 25cc 2 stroke motor. But the Fireboats everyone thinks of are 93 & 94 . Strange the fascination with those when they were the only two ever built..............
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Agreed Sub.
    There were actually ten versions of the Fire Float (seemingly often erroneously called a 'Crash Tender') ranging from 37.5' to 60'.

    http://www.rafboats.co.uk/ff46vmk2.html
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Elsrickle ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi it could have been tried it first on 11volt very fast and very unstable when you gave it full throttle. Thatโ€™s the reason am on 7 volt lipos
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    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Rookysailor ( Commodore)
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    The 1/12 scale model was 46" in length not 42", as the real boat was 46ft, 1/12 equals 1" to the foot.๐Ÿ˜


    Cheers, Peter
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi, I think found a post from you around a year ago re a 46โ€ Vosper model, where you said your boat was โ€˜a bit fast at 11vโ€™. Is your boat noisy relative to others?
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Elsrickle ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi the I have is the aero kit firefloat crash Tender 36 inch model
    Change to twin props as this was fitted in real ones
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Thanks Elsrickle. I think you may have the 42" 12th scale model? I only have one motor, and yours seem to be very powerful. I'm hoping not to have any leaks, but am now wondering if my rudder and prop tube will be leaky - Maybe I do a test in the bath!!๐Ÿ˜€
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi Martin555, Graupner told me to ask a supplier in the UK, or at a Model Boat Club - fair enough, but there are so many different opinions!! - 600 or 850 brushless being the most common. M-troniks recommended their G2 Hydra50, which I quite like the idea of, as they are UK based, and "waterproof". I'll do some comparisons of similar 1400kv motors, but as a beginner, I think it makes sense to use a "matched" system?
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Elsrickle ( Warrant Officer)
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    I did a refurbish on one I got on eBay
    Fitted 2 brushless HPD 2920-4000 with 60a hawk escโ€™s running with 30 mm 3blade props also fitted rubber gaiters on top of rudder shafts as they were very close to the water line and I kept getting water seepage in the stern
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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    I did some searching on the web and found some info on brushless motor sizes and suggestions based on the length of the hull. Needless to say, I can't find it again when I searched today so that I could let you have the link๐Ÿค” It was 4-5 months ago.

    I don't know if there are better options, there probably are. I've been lucky as the motor I bought works fine, so I haven't had the expense of having to try a different one.

    Graham93
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    That will be interesting to see what you get back from Graupner and Mtroniks.
    I have made many many model boats and there seemed to be only two ways to fined out what motor for what boat, and that was to experiment or know someone who has already made the boat that you want to make.
    Now with the internet and the good members of this site it is much easer.

    Martin555.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi Martin555,
    Many Thanks for this - I'd not seen that post. I've actually written to Graupner and Mtroniks today to ask for a recommendation, so will see what I get back. It does seem to be a dark art for the inexperienced though!
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    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I have looked at some other posts and found this By dbninja.
    His boat is a 34" Crash Tender.

    Power Is Graupner speed 600 8.4v on a 9.6v nimh pack, prop Is 40mm 2blade.

    Hope this helps.

    Martin555.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    "How did you decide what size motor to use?"
    Now that is a very good question.
    I too would know how to chose the right motors for boats.
    Obviously it depends on the type of boat that you want them for.
    Maybe it is a case of trial and error or is there a formula ?

    Martin555.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Yes Peter, It's an Aerokits model - I still have the original intructions - distributor was KeilKraft. Scale drawing says 3/4" to 1'. Original boat was 46ft. I think that must be 1/16 scale? Model is 34 and a bit inches long
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Thanks Graham93, I saw your pictures๐Ÿ˜€ - How did you decide what size motor to use? I do intend to fit the missing stringers. I can't remember why they weren't fitted - it's a good while ago now ๐Ÿ˜†
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Back in the Groove ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Thank you. I've started to look at other blogs, to help me decide how far to go with this one. I'm hoping to do the refurb over the winter, and install the new motor/servo and electronics, then remove, so I can do a better job on the inside, before doing the repair and repaint
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Rookysailor ( Commodore)
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    Looks like it could be an old Aerokits Fireboat, depends on the size of the boat, what size motor to put in, the one you saw at Southport, with a 850 brushed motor, would probably be a 1/12 scale, but
    you can also ket the smaller 1/16 scale.๐Ÿ˜

    Cheers, Peter
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    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi,

    Welcome on board. Iโ€™ Currently refurbishing a 34โ€ Crash Tender that I built about the same time as yours.

    I have fitted mine with a Turnigy brushless D3536/6 1250kV motor running on a 3S LiPo battery and performance is great. You will need to fit the missing stringers though

    Graham93
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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    welcome to the site
    there have been some recent crash tender builds in the blogs section. One is mine (not yet complete) and Robs which is on the water, I think you'll find all you need on this site.
    The Vosper 46โ€ RAF Crash Tender Kit By Vintage Model Works
    by mturpin013 ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ( Lieutenant)
    and
    Vintage Model Works 46" RAF Crash Tender
    by robbob ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ( Captain)
    PS there are many others of the 36" version
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 34" Vosper RAF Crash Rescue Tender - Aerokits model
    6 years ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi,
    You have a lot of work ahead of you but it will be nice to see the old boat have a new life.
    Good luck.

    Martin555.


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