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    Aerokits 1962 34.5" RAF Crash Tender rebuild, including interior.
    by EdH ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    ๐Ÿ“ Windows and decks
    3 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Fitted the windows (what a time consuming pain!). Original photographs show that only the wheelhouse windows have surrounds, so decided to cut, file and sand the plastic to an interference fit directly into the wood (might add surrounds to the wheelhouse later). They don't need glue but will probably add some fine CA when the protective paper is removed. To speed things up, glued 4 pieces of plastic together along a surplus edge, so could cut out 4 blanks at a time, but then the work began.

    Used the original wheelhouse beams, but cut them far thinner to be more realistic. Replaced the old deck (minus those wretched tacks) as a base and was going to cover with a nice, individually planked deck, but just in time learned from this site that the original deck was painted in non-skid grey paint, so individual planks would not be visible. Reluctantly I covered the sub-deck with 1/16" Bass sheet, using only 4 pieces total, to minimize joins and produce a smooth surface for a decent paint job. Added a rub rail.

    Made the deck lifting rings from picture hangers. Added rails inside the rub rail. Painted decks with a green primer. Couldnโ€™t find masking tape narrow enough for the edges and other areas that would not be covered in non-skid, so set up a jig to cut from a wider roll. Didn't know you could buy a textured spray paint but found one from Rust-oleum (brown). Has a wider nozzle so comes out fast. Shake it well! The decks will eventually all be a uniform darker grey, not brown non-skid! Had to redo the cabin sides a slightly lighter grey, which involved removing the interference fit windows (one was so tight I cracked it). After all this, the two greys dried almost the same color, inspite of being different in their charts.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Windows and decks
    3 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    She is coming along nicely, keep it up.

    Martin555.
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    3 days ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Ed - coming along nicely - I am just a few days behind you with my restoration. I have a couple of queries:

    1) Did you manage to get dimensioned wood for the "rub rail" ? if so what size is it ?
    2) I noticed you ran rub rail all the way to bow - but I recollect seeing the rail stop somewhere around the forward cabin top - not sure if this was on a photo or someones model..... can you enlighten me ?
    3) I wondered why you made aft cabin windows "flush"... I was going to just glue an oversized piece of clear plasticard over the inside oversized...โ€ฆ.
    4 ) Would adding fine sand into a brushed paint layer on decks work rather than faff with a sprayed texture do you think?
    Appreciating your input !!! Cheers Peter
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Windows and decks
    3 days ago by KenThompson ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi Ed , donโ€™t use ordinary superglue to glu the plastic windows, after a while the go all hazy, and milky, you can get glue for windows, well worth the money, supergluing will spoil your boat.
    Ken
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Windows and decks
    3 days ago by KenThompson ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi Ed, nice to see another bench dressed like my own ,, everything to hand, hehe.
    Cheers
    Ken
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Windows and decks
    3 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Peter
    I'm a little further ahead than these posts imply, but didn't want to overload everyone with pictures! I'm almost up to real time!

    The rub rail around the outside is 1/16" thick to bend easily, but wider than I needed to take care of some bad parts of hull to deck joint. I then sanded that flush with the deck, leaving a small rounded bead over the joint. I've seen some modelers paint this bead white, although I didn't see this in any original pictures, so left it grey.

    The safety rail which is mounted on the edge of the deck, I ran from the front cabin to the stern and transom. This was 1/8" x 1/8". The wood I use almost exclusively is Bass (Lime?) which is easily available in the US and can be bought cheaply in bulk, in many cross sections.

    You can see both rails fairly clearly in the last picture of the bow (not the one showing the spray can) and also in the closeup of the brass lift eye before painting.

    The windows had to be flush as I am finishing the inside, so it has to look ok from both sides. If the inside isn't important, you should definitely just stick the 'glass' on the inside. I would definitely not recommend doing what I did if you don't have to!

    If you can find textured spray paint, I would think this would be easier and give a really even coat. I did look at 'sand' that was sold at the hardware store for this purpose (I think it was actually crushed shells), which probably would have worked, but I was worried about getting it even. The spray worked really well. It does of course involve quite a bit of masking.

    Don't hesitate to ask questions. I have learned so much from people on this site.

    Good luck. Ed
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Windows and decks
    3 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Too late Ken! They are a very tight fit so I used a tiny amount in the corners and didn't get it on the plastic, so I should be ok. I'm surprised to hear CA glue goes hazy over time. I made several 'glass' display cases a while back, with perspex glued along the edges (no wood frame) and the joint hasn't changed color. The CA glue I use is BSI (Bob Smith Industries) Super Gold odorless and is expensive ($40 for a small bottle), but I am one of the 5% of the population that is allergic to the smell of regular, much cheaper, CA glue. I get strong flu like symptoms within 2 hours! Wondering what the glue sold for windows is made of and if it is similar to the stuff I use.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Windows and decks
    3 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    "The windows had to be flush as I am finishing the inside, so it has to look ok from both sides. If the inside isn't important, you should definitely just stick the 'glass' on the inside. I would definitely not recommend doing what I did if you don't have to!"
    Hi Ed,
    Not sure I agree with that!
    I did that with my Sea Scout some 25 years ago during a 'quick get it on the lake' rush refit.
    The boat was built by my Dad in the early 60s.
    I didn't like the resulting deep recess on the outside, about 2-3" scaled up I suppose.
    So when I did a proper renovation and refit 2 years back I used 3mm tinted plexi for a flush fit inside and out.
    Description in my Blog here-
    https://model-boats.com/blogs/28209#44511
    Blog entry also includes info, with pic, on the clear 'Canopy Glue' from Deluxe Materials I used to fix them in.
    I chamfered the window edges towards the inside and ran a fillet of the glue into it.
    Conversely to cheap CA Canopy glue starts milky and goes completely clear when cured.
    It's probably what Ken was referring to. It has no smell at all๐Ÿ˜Š

    Peter "I wondered why you made aft cabin windows "flush"... I was going to just glue an oversized piece of clear plasticard over the inside"
    Same comments apply to your plan as well!๐Ÿ˜‰
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    https://model-boats.com/blogs/28209#44511
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Windows and decks
    3 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Doug, I'm happy I did the windows this way, but they were indeed a pain! No opening was quite the same size! Ed
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    3 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    For a textured non slip deck i have seen fine grit sand paper cut to shape and glued to the deck then painted and coated with lacquer.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ“ An unfortunate downed airman is in the sickbay
    8 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    An unfortunate downed airman is in the sickbay! The concerned medic will be sitting on the opposite berth and is in the works! Like the last figure, I made a rough balsa core, adding clay and then firing both. Used a Dremel and fine sandpaper to make the final shape of the figure. The blanket was shaped and finished before firing as it had to be so thin to show the shape of the body. I fired it on top of the figure with tin foil separating them.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: An unfortunate downed airman is in the sickbay
    8 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Ed,
    Very very cleverly done.
    Really looks the part.
    Well done.
    Looking forward to seeing The concerned medic.

    Martin555.
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    8 days ago by Rookysailor ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Proper good that Ed๐Ÿ‘, looks like the patient will be OK, look forward to seeing the medic and see what he thinks....


    Cheers Pete
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: An unfortunate downed airman is in the sickbay
    8 days ago by jbkiwi ( Commodore)
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    Nice touch!
    JB
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: An unfortunate downed airman is in the sickbay
    7 days ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    This is very clever.๐Ÿ˜Š
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    3 days ago by KenThompson ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Ed,,, what a different subject,,love it, airman in sick bay,,,brilliant, haha, well done. First time Iโ€™ve seen it..
    Ken
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    ๐Ÿ“ Crash tender wheelhouse finished
    14 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Finished the wheelhouse on the RAF Crash Tender. Sadly I had done this before joining this site. I don't know why I missed the drawing of the wheelhouse bulkhead, as I used several of the other photographs. It would have helped for the wheelhouse, but at best this model is still a rough approximation!

    Put a chart table (with a chart of The Solent) in to hide the piece of the old bulkhead I had to keep. The helmsman slots onto the remaining center part of the same bulkhead.

    Cut the wheel out of 1/8โ€ Bass wood sheet, using two hole saws (1โ€and 3/4โ€ - it took 3 tries!) sanding, then strengthening by soaking back in CA glue. The center is a wheel from a servo, cut into spokes. Attached the wheel to the helmsman as it's easier to align the dashboard up to the wheel than try to adjust the manโ€™s arms to connect to it!

    The compass is a piece of doweling, with the edges rounded off, then the end drilled. Used wood filler to fill the drill hole, shaping the recess with a finger, then painted and added 'gimbals'.

    The close up camera is cruel! The wheelhouse will be permanently enclosed so everything will only visible through windows and overhead hatch, which will help!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Crash tender wheelhouse finished
    14 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    I like the use of the servo wheel for the helm.
    It certainly gives you something to think about when you make your own fittings.
    Well done.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Crash tender wheelhouse finished
    14 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    "The close up camera is cruel! "
    Tell me about it Ed!๐Ÿ™„
    The close up of your instrument panel tells me your boat may be outta gas! ๐Ÿ˜
    Nice work๐Ÿ‘ Word to the wise though!
    For the back panel to the console I think I might have chosen a smooth plasti-card rather than an open grain wood.๐Ÿ˜‰ But as you say; You can only see it through the windows.
    Main thing is you are 'keeping an old lady' alive.๐Ÿ‘
    KUTGW, Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ“ Helmsman for RAF Crash Tender rebuild
    20 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Working on the RAF Crash Tender's helmsman. Like the engines, I started with a rough wood core. This slots over the remains of the bulkhead in the wheelhouse. Added clay over the core, which I fired, then used a Dremel, file and fine sandpaper to shape. Just started painting it. A patient in the sickbay and a doctor are also in the works.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Helmsman for RAF Crash Tender rebuild
    20 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    It's ALIVE!! It's ALIVE!!๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    Fine work Dr Frankenstein๐Ÿ‘
    Who else woulda thoughta that?
    Do you work in a museum restoration shop by any chance Ed?
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    20 days ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Never seen that done before.
    Really good.๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Helmsman for RAF Crash Tender rebuild
    20 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Very good indeed Ed,
    It has been a long time since i have seen someone make their own figures.
    Well done.
    Maybe you could do a step by step article on it as i am sure other members will be interested as well as me.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Helmsman for RAF Crash Tender rebuild
    20 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    You betcha Martin๐Ÿ‘
    Me too Ed๐Ÿ˜‰
    I ain't nevver seen nuffink like dat afore!๐Ÿ˜ฎ๐Ÿ˜‰
    Courtesy of my lovely Gisela I have a gift voucher for a major local arts supplies shop.
    I'm sure they can provide the necessary materials.
    I just need to know what, and how to use it๐Ÿ˜
    Looking forward to a blow by blow Ed๐Ÿ‘
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    Thinks ๐Ÿค•:
    I guess after you've done one it might be used as a master to make a mold for casting (resin?) of more?
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    20 days ago by marky ( Commander)
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    Does the wooden armiture catch fire in the kiln/oven ? And if not ,is it a low temperature drying clay?
    Cheers Marky๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Helmsman for RAF Crash Tender rebuild
    20 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I was wondering that too Marky ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜ญ
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Helmsman for RAF Crash Tender rebuild
    19 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Blow by blow Doug!
    I generally use potter's clay but lost access to a kiln, so experimented with a low fire Polymer clay. I used Sculpey, available everywhere, which can be fired in a toaster oven, resting on tinfoil in a tray. Don't be tempted with a self hardening clay. They get very brittle when dry, particularly tough for extended limbs etc..
    A good potters clay is so much better for getting detail etc so is only fired when finished. With Polymer clay, I found it was easier to get the rough shape, fire it, then start on making the figure. A Dremel with the smallest sanding drum makes short work of larger spaces, but the detail is easier with very fine carving bits and fine sandpaper folded over an edge.
    The Polymer clay can't be thicker than about 3/8" for baking, so does need a core. I used Balsa. Sculpey can be quite hard, so needs to be softened by repeatedly squeezing small pieces between fingers. It can be softened with Vaseline, but it's very easy to use too much and if possible best avoided.
    Make the core smaller, assuming you're adding 1/8 to 1/4" of clay. You need enough clay to have some freedom carving, but if you do go through, you can patch small holes with wood filler.
    Before carving, draw a line representing the spine and the face, preferably joining the two over the head so that everything lines up! Cross this with lines for the eyes (center of the head), the mouth, chin, waist, hips etc..
    If you have access to a kiln and want to use real clay, remember it shrinks when fired, so don't use a solid core. You can use fine skewers (wood or metal) to keep the shape when working on it, removed before firing.
    I used good quality water color paint and of course always use a white or light clay.
    You could make a mould and cast figures in resin, but for me, the whole point is to make each one different. If casting, you could use real clay as it wouldn't have to be fired before making the mould.
    If all this sounds too much, this is a really useful way to make realistic cushions for seats, that can be shaped to look soft and inviting!
    If you do try any of this and have questions, don't hesitate to ask!
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    19 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Ed,
    I hope you make more figures as i would like to see photos the process as you go along.
    And how you set them in to a pose.

    Martin555.
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    19 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    The downed airman and medic will appear shortly! Planning to do a figure on deck, controlling the forward fire hose, which will be more animated and fun to do, but that's a way off!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Helmsman for RAF Crash Tender rebuild
    18 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Great stuff ED, Many thanks for the info๐Ÿ‘
    Had a sniff around here and my local art supplies shop has Sculpey in stock๐Ÿ˜Š
    Also a German near equivalent called FIMO. Ever heard of that or tried it?
    As a quirk of fate would have it the stuff is actually made not a mile or so from where I live.
    Small world ๐Ÿ˜‰
    Re casting duplicates: see what you mean.
    Maybe I could mass produce a whole crew to 'Dress Ship'? ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ
    I should live so long!
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Helmsman for RAF Crash Tender rebuild
    18 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    "Planning to do a figure on deck, controlling the forward fire hose, which will be more animated"
    Wow๐Ÿ˜ฎ So you're into Androids now Ed!!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Helmsman for RAF Crash Tender rebuild
    18 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Doug, Fimo is another popular Polymer clay, very similar to Sculpey. It comes in a softer version than the original, but you still need to work it between your fingers. Don't be tempted not to fire it, as some people are. If you're going to paint it, stick with white!
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    18 days ago by Colin H ( Commander)
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    Hi Doug, keep away from the fimo, the fumes when you cook it are awful. But the results are good if you have a spare baking tray and don't mind the smell.
    Here is what Caroline does with fimo, all the veg in the kitchen garden and the food etc in the kitchen.
    Cheers Colin.
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    18 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Doug, There was no smell with Sculpey and my wife would notice as I used her regular toaster!
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    18 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Brilliant Caroline๐Ÿ‘
    My gast is absolutely flabbered๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    Colin,
    I'd wondered about smell cos both versions seem to be based on modified PVC!
    I've also seen warnings that if you overheat Sculpey you could end up producing hydrochloric acid!!! โ˜น๏ธ
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculpey

    Baking trays no problem, also got loads of alu dishes saved from commercial Quiche Lorraine. A tasty source of raw material๐Ÿ˜‹
    No wife to worry about complaining of smell๐Ÿ˜Š Nevertheless, I wish now I hadn't thrown away my old (and I mean ancient!) toaster / oven last year๐Ÿค”
    NO! 'Ang on 'ang on! It's still down in the garage๐Ÿ˜Š waiting for me to collect enough other junk to make a trip to the dump (sorry Trick-cycling Centre๐Ÿ™„) worthwhile.
    I can fix that up in a sheltered niche on the terrace, no pong worries๐Ÿ˜‰

    Ed, Thanks for the tip about white๐Ÿ‘
    I had been considering the Professional Doll version. Comes in various flesh tones, supposed to be finer for better detailing, but vastly more expensive!

    So, ta muchy for all the tips๐Ÿ‘
    I think I'll buy small 'trial' packs of both types and see how we go.
    Oh ye oh ye! Something else to put on the 'What If?' list๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    It's all go folks๐Ÿ˜Š "Ollie, dat's anudder fine mess youse gotten me in to!"
    Cheers All, ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculpey
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Helmsman for RAF Crash Tender rebuild
    18 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Colin,
    Please pass on my congratulations to Caroline.
    She has done a fantastic job.

    Martin555.
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    18 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    PS to Colin,
    Mighta guessed you two would know all about this polymer clay stuff๐Ÿ˜‰
    many thanks for the tips๐Ÿ‘

    BTW: How's the Commander refurb going?
    Got around to testing the Supermarine yet?
    I'd hate to think you weren't happy with it or summats gone wrong๐Ÿค”
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    18 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Doug. It's pretty hard to overcook Skulpey, unless you just walk away! I set it for 15 minutes, then tapped it to see how it was hardening, then ten more minutes and repeat. Most were done in 25 minutes but some thicker parts need a little more. If an area is overdone (as one little piece was) it starts to go brown, which makes it harder to paint, but still no smell. Never heard of flesh colored clay, but personally I think I would still prefer to start with white! Experiment!
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    18 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I tend to agree with you ED.
    Didn't much like the look of the so called flesh tones and the higher price deterred me somewhat๐Ÿค”
    I agree white gives us a 'blank canvas', so to speak, to colour as we wish.
    Attached the link to the 'Doll' flesh colours.
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    https://www.gerstaecker.de/FIMO-Professional-doll-art-Modell...
    https://www.gerstaecker.de/FIMO-Professional-doll-art-Modelliermasse.html
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    ๐Ÿ“ Cabin modules finished. Wiring for lights done.
    25 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    The four drop-in modules for the wheelhouse, forward galley, and a pair for the sick room behind it, all had to be temporarily removable for painting, wiring etc., which was a challenge! I did this before discovering the wealth of information on this site and though I looked and asked my other groups for interior color information, I finally just assumed everything in the RAF/Navy was grey, which turned out to be wrong! Everything is firmly glued in place now, so that's the way it has to stay, but I don't think it's a problem. Now just trying to get the outside reasonably correct!

    Apart from the wheelhouse and sick bay wall lights, the bulbs are hidden to provide shadow lighting. A bulb shows through the drop in engine room floor when in place, but is hidden between the engines when viewed through the ports. Navigation lights work. The wires protruding from the wheelhouse bulkhead are for a masthead light and a spotlight. Steering servo drives rudder via two sheathed cables.
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    25 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Ed,
    I think you are doing an excellent job on your rebuild.
    I really like the planking.
    Keep up the good work.

    Martin555.
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    25 days ago by robbob ( Captain)
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    Looking very good Ed.
    Interesting to note that you're working from the inside to the outside with the detailing when I for one work on the outside first!
    But I can see your logic as access is so much easier with most of the superstructure out of the way.
    Are you using filament lamps for all your lighting? If so you may have trouble replacing them when they pop. LED's are sooo much better and have a massive MTBF.
    Rob.
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    25 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Rob. I knew I was going to have to scrap almost all the superstructure except the cabin sides and I chose to do all the strengthening of the dilapidated hull from the inside, so it made sense to do it this way. It also made it easier to spend time on the interior! This of course was a kit and already built, so was a bit different, but I make a habit of trying to build each model in a completely different way (one was literally from the inside out, starting with the cockpit sides!). For last winter's project, the Wesmac lobster boat, I actually installed the motor, home made gearbox and prop shaft after just building the keel and stem. I only had profile line drawings so the boat had no bulkheads at all. I built it out sideways from the keel. I would do this again, especially with an open transom. Very rigid.
    Ed
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    24 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Excellent work ED๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
    While you are fitting out the interior I hope you don't forget the ESSENTIAL piece of equipment in the attached pic. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ๐Ÿ˜
    Taken on an original Vosper boat.
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    BTW Nearly all the naval ships I've been on over the last 37 or so years, from China to Chile and SA to Canada, incl. patrol boats to light carriers, had pale green interior walls. A few had pale cream instead. Submarines seemed to be grey wherever you looked๐Ÿค”
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    24 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Doug, the head was conveniently round the corner and out of sight from the companionway, but it would have been fun to have a go at it!

    I have to admit I have never spent time inside a Naval vessel and my imagination got it wrong! Of course the old timers I sailed in normally had white paneled overheads and bulkheads, so I should have known!
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    ๐Ÿ“ Motor, Servo fitted. Fake engine room lifts out to access machinery.
    28 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Motor, shaft and rudder in. Made a motor mount from a piece of steel as these motors have a lot of torque! Used an E-flite #15, 950kv, driving an Octura 450 three bladed propeller, 1.97โ€ dia x 2.7โ€ pitch. Had to cut the shaft and shaft tube to move the motor back. Sleeved the tube with brass. May have to experiment with motor/prop once in the water, but had these in the shop and have used similar before.

    Built a fake engine room which easily lifts out for good access to the motor, batteries and electronics. Modeled the Meteorite engines as they would have been uncovered and visible, but because they will normally just be seen through 4 ports and a hatch, I didn't concentrate too much on detail. Clay was roughly spread over a balsa block and fired. This was then sanded into shape. The spark plug leads etc were brass tubing. The smallest tubes for the leads were a tiny 0.05โ€ in diameter! I also made the sick bay bunk cushions in the same way. After finding this site and discovering so much more information on the original craft, I wish I had done the engines in more detail!
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    28 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Ed,
    Reference:-
    "Clay was roughly spread over a balsa block and fired".
    Could you tell me what clay you used and the process please?.

    Keep up the good work.

    Martin555.
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    28 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Martin, with past figures I've always used pottery clay but recently lost my access to a kiln to fire them. I therefore tried simple Sculpey, available anywhere, which can be fired at a much lower temperature in a regular oven. You cannot get anything like the detail achievable with pottery/sculpting clay. I found it was easier to fire the roughly shaped clay and put in the details with a Dremel, files and fine sandpaper. I have now done three figures for this project this way, but I would recommend anyone trying it to try to use proper sculpture clay and fire it. One thing to note if using real clay is that it shrinks when fired, so don't use a balsa plug or it will crack. Rolled up paper can work to fill a void.
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    28 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Ed,
    Do you have any photos of the clay figures that you made ?
    I would like to see them.

    Martin555.
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    27 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Theyโ€™ll come up in a future post shortly, as I catch up. Iโ€™m not that much further ahead. Currently doing decks. Taped for the non-skid but would love to get some feedback on exterior colors
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    27 days ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    I have sent you a PM on paint specs
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    27 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Don't be a meany Mike, share your secrets with all of us ๐Ÿ˜Š
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    PS Is it possibly the original Vosper paint spec?
    See attached pic. Copy of copy of ..... I'm afraid๐Ÿค”
    But it clearly states that 'As built' the cabin roofs and coamings (sides) were 'smooth deck grey'. Posts on this site from ex crew members state that during the short careers of these two boats (93 & 94) the roofs may have been repainted.
    Some months ago this topic was exhaustively discussed in at least one thread/build blog. Seems to be a recurring theme๐Ÿ˜‰
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    27 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks for all this input. The problem I have is the difference between these two pictures. I happen to prefer the look of the darker sides and lighter deck, but if the picture that indicates this is some optical illusion and none were built this way, at this point I can still change it.
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    27 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Ed,
    Understand your dilemma, but that's the problem with black and white photos.
    Not withstanding that one is of 93 and the other of 94!
    Shades of grey and white can look very very different depending on which way the daylight is falling on the subject and the angle the photo was taken from๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    One B/W photo only is not conclusive.
    Have a look here at the originals
    http://www.rafboats.co.uk/ff46vmk2.html
    In some pics 93 seems to have dark grey sides and white roofs, in some all white including decks which can't be right!
    First pic of 94 also seems to show white roofs, decks and dark grey sides, but I don't believe that either. All a question of lighting.
    In the end it's entirely up to you as Martin says.
    You can do her Sky Blue Pink with purple spots if that's what turns you on ๐Ÿ˜
    Be a talking point at the pond wouldn't it!
    If I were so silly as to try to compete with Rob and Mike I would go for the Vosper Build Spec paint scheme; i.e. deck grey BS631 all over, non slip on the deck and gloss on coamings and cabin tops. Never mind what happened while they were in service.
    As Shakespeare wrote 'As You Like It'.๐Ÿ‘
    Whatever you decide Ed keep us informed and show us the results.
    I'm sure I'm not the only one on tenterhooks!!
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    27 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Doug. As you say, 93 really does look different in more than one picture. Looking carefully at these two, it's really hard to see how they could be the same color scheme, but I do take your point that greys can play tricks. I think I will take your (and others) advice and go with what I was going to do. After all, the interior colors are already wrong! I gather this isn't the first time these color schemes have been discussed and I'd love to hear more!
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    25 days ago by alfiesmail ( Recruit)
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    hi
    ref your E-flite #15, 950kv,motor, what speed controller and battery will you be using?
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    25 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    I'm in the US, so you might find things are different in the UK, but the E-flite 15 requires a 40 - 45 amp ESC and I've traditionally paired it with a 60 amp Dynamite marine brushless ESC and a 4450mAh 12.6v 3cell LiPo, all from Horizon Hobby. I try to keep everything interchangeable (same battery dimensions, same brand of motor etc) as I like experimenting. With this ESC I actually fan cooled it in the last boat, as I run my boats in salt water. Squirting WD40 through the cooling system after a run does work, but it makes sense for me to avoid water cooling, so when I eventually get around to the ESC, I might look at one designed for cars. Will keep you posted!
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    1 month ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    This project was started in November 2019 and these pictures and texts are taken from past posts, so expect the first ones to come in quick succession, slowing down drastically when we reach real time!
    Looks more like I'm destroying the RAF Crash Tender than restoring it! The thin plywood was originally attached using glue and tiny (4mm long) nails (I remember tapping them in way back then). Judging by the ease everything came off, the glue was not as strong 57 years ago! Rather than fiberglassing the outside, I ended up painting a thick layer of fiberglass resin along all the inside joints. Some were so bad, resin leaked out! The model has spent years in damp basements and even had things dropped on it!
    Drilled 4 holes in the enclosed bow section to reach the bow joints using a syringe. The whole thing is far more solid and I think watertight, though of course a little heavier. The engine bed plywood was delaminating, so built a new one. Now that I have the layout and profile plans of the original RAF crash tender, I've concentrated on the interior. Painted the inside of the hull black, in case any part of the hull turns out to be visible. Made a drop in module for the wheelhouse + steps to the forward galley, and two modules for the sick room behind it. The challenge was that they have to be temporarily removable for painting etc! The other challenge was the bulkhead that passes right through the wheelhouse! I cut as much of it out as I dared, leaving one upright piece (painted black) that the helmsman figure will slot onto (see wheelhouse detail picture)! The big surprise in researching this is how small the original was. 46 feet and half of the boat is engine room and aft cockpit, with a big fuel tank between the sick bay and engine room. The wheelhouse has barely enough room for a couple of standing figures! In the picture of the helmsman, note how far back the wheel is from the instruments. He's almost standing against the bulkhead. Enjoying the research and trying to make everything as authentic as possible, although I have slightly changed some things. For instance, I moved the access between the sickbay and wheelhouse slightly to stbd so the figure wouldn't block the view into the wheelhouse, which will of course be sealed when the roof goes on. I might leave the escape hatch in the wheelhouse roof open!
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    1 month ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Nice work,
    Keep it up.

    Martin555.
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    1 month ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    That woodwork looks very good.๐Ÿ‘
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    1 month ago by robbob ( Captain)
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    Hi Ed.
    Your 'photo of the helmsman in the wheelhouse is not correct, I'm not sure where you found it but the wheelhouse and control panel should look like this....see 'photos.
    Also there's are videos on YouTube that shows some of the wheelhouse interior too..
    https://youtu.be/_XugRvw7j_4
    https://youtu.be/yGkClCjxK9w

    I hope that's not put a 'spanner in your works'....just trying to be helpful๐Ÿ˜‰
    Robbob.
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    1 month ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Rob,
    Oops! I had actually printed out all these photographs and some stills from the videos, except for the sectional at frame 18, which I wish I'd seen. The wheelhouse and helmsman are now finished (I'm slightly ahead of my posts), but I think it is fine. The first picture is very blurred when even slightly enlarged and I compromised with fewer gauges. I took the dimensions from this plan, so I think it's pretty close, but again the plan is pretty blurred. The wheel might be slightly further back, but not much. None of it is 100% accurate and I keep telling myself that all this stuff will not be too visible as the roof will be fixed. I try to imagine everything looking through the windscreen etc.! Thank you for your help. I can't wait to get up to real time so I can seek advice and hear comments as I'm building. I'm not that far ahead of this! I do really appreciate the help, advice and comments everyone's made already and am so glad I joined this group. Thanks. Ed
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    1 month ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Hi there ED, unfortunately I agree with Rob. I have detailed my cockpit from some drawings supplied by Mike Cummings It may help to look at my blog - mturpin013 ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง - The Vosper 46โ€ RAF Crash Tender Kit By Vintage Model Works.
    Here are some pics of my offering.
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    1 month ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    You are doing a far more authentic and detailed job. I wish I had seen that wheelhouse bulkhead profile before Iโ€™d built mine as I might have gone in for a bit more detail. I kept telling myself to go for the general effect as it will be barely visible when the roof goes on, but actually you can see quite a bit through all those windows! I tried to find your blog, putting in your name in the search build blogs, but Iโ€™m doing something wrong. Will try again in the morning. Incidentally I wish this had been the bigger 46, but of course there wasnโ€™t one back then and the whole point is to resurrect old family memories! I never built another kit boat. When I started building model boats again about 20 years ago, I got into scratch builds, mainly doing boats for my grandchildren that they liked. One grandson drools over the Wesmac 46S lobster boat which led to the last one. Itโ€™s actually a fascinating hull! Iโ€™ve been smoothly passed by one when bashing my brains out in our deep V Blackwatch 30 in a heavy Maine sea!
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    30 days ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Hi there ED, Paste in the search at the top of blogs section - The Vosper 46 RAF Crash Tender Kit By Vintage Model Works.
    or look down the blogs to about the third row and its there. By the way my roof opens so the detail can be seen.
    PS I note your comment - "Iโ€™ve been smoothly passed by one when bashing my brains out in our deep V Blackwatch 30 in a heavy Maine sea!". I assume your talking real boats here? if so what actually smoothly passed you?
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    30 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Yes these are real boats - I seem to switch back and forth. Sorry. We were passed by a real Westmac 46s. Westmacs are popular on the Maine coast. They are ideal for the big seas sometimes found here. Itโ€™s a bit like the Cornish coast.
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    29 days ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    What a fabulous blog mturpin013! I will be returning to it regularly. It makes me want to go out and buy a small metal lathe. I have one I use for wood, which gives me a lot of pleasure, but it wouldn't be suitable for this kind of work. The last time I used a metal lathe was in the late 60s during the industrial part of my University Sandwich course! It was at the old AEI plant in Leicester. I still have some of the tools I made there. Loved it!

    I've learned a lot from your blog already. It never occurred to me that the interior would be varnished wood. I asked about interior colors at the two FB model pages I belong to but never got an answer, so have painted the wheelhouse and uprights in the sick bay the same grey as outside and the floors and bunks a slightly lighter grey. Oh well!

    The original Aerokits model had sliding hatches on both the sick bay and engine room. Your model shows lifting hatches over the engine room. This is only critical because I plan the have the hatches open, to give a glimpse into the interior. A sliding hatch could feasibly be left open but a raised hatch would be less likely. The engines aren't that detailed so maybe a limited view through the windows is ok!

    It looks like you had the same problem I had with with a bulkhead running through the wheelhouse that you had to cut back.

    You are creating something really beautiful! Thanks for sharing.
    Mine is more abstract! It will be going to a grandchild and probably will be used/abused, plus some parts of the abuse this old kit has been through in the last 55 years will be hard to cover up and will always show through.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Aerokits 1962 34.5" RAF Crash Tender rebuild, including interior.
    1 month ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Recent FB posts of the Aerokit's RAF Crash Tender got me interested in restoring the old one in our basement. I built this one with my Dad, 57 years ago in 1962, when I was 15. I found it again when packing up my parent's house and itโ€™s been in my basement since! It's in terrible condition and I'd probably be better off starting from scratch, but that misses the point. Iโ€™ve also included the old Aerokits brochure from that year! For years I have only built scratch built models and want to try to add more detail, including a finished interior. To illustrate what Iโ€™m trying to do, I also included a picture of the wheelhouse of my last winterโ€™s project, a Wesmac 46S lobster boat. A bit of bio: I am English, but sailed to the Caribbean when I was 24. I lived in The British Virgin Islands for the next 9 years, moving to the US in 1981. We currently live in Maine and I've been in the yacht charter business all my life. I build a scratch built boat model generally over two winters. Summer is for real boats!
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    1 month ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    You have a lot of hard work ahead of you but looking at the detail work that you have done on you'r other project you will manage it with no problem.

    Good luck and please keep us updated.

    Martin555.
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    1 month ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thank you Martin. I first found this site when searching for original pictures and specs. Not only did I find all kinds of information, but when I recently started reading some of the blogs from people working on the same boat, I got all kinds of ideas. Really glad I found it! I started this in November so posts might come deceptively quickly, then slow as I catch up to real time!
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    1 month ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    You've got your work cut out there. If you make as good a job of this as you did the lobster boat I'll look forward to seeing it.
    I too built the same model in the same year when I was 12 with my dad its whereabouts is unknown but I am just about coming to the end of my 47" crash tender hopefully its maiden voyage will be this summer.
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    1 month ago by Colin H ( Commander)
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    Hi Ed,
    Looks like a labour of love, so I'm sure you will manage to do it justice.
    Do you have the original drawings.
    I'm thinking of upgrading the motor in mine as she's a bit heavy for getting up on the plane. Mind you I still get great pleasure seeing it in action with both monitors working.
    Mine isn't the best looker but it's my favorite boat, and has been for over 50 years.
    Cheers Colin.
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    1 month ago by robbob ( Captain)
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    Hi Ed.
    Welcome to this site.
    I'm sure you will find all you need to know here.
    Good luck with the restoration๐Ÿ‘.
    Robbob.
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    1 month ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Rob. Your Crash Tender blog was the one I first saw and has already been a help.
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    1 month ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Colin. I have some original drawings but they aren't that sharp, particularly when blown up. Do you have a website link? I'm going to use an E-flite #15, 950kv brushless Outrunner with 3C LiPo batteries, driving an Octura 450 three bladed propeller, 1.97โ€ dia x 2.7โ€ pitch. (more on that later!)
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    1 month ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi EdH,
    Oh dear, you've got a job on there๐Ÿค”
    Even worse than my Sea Scout restoration, originally built by my Dad around the same time as your Crash Tender๐Ÿ‘ See Build Blog 'Sea Scout 'Jessica'' here for details of my renovation and upgrade!
    I wonder if your 950kv motor will be 'man enough' for the job!? Only one!?๐Ÿค”
    Would be nice to see it upgraded to two or three shafts๐Ÿ‘
    My 24" Sea Scout needed a minimum of a 1000kv motor on a 35mm 3 blade 1.4 pitch prop and a 3S LiPo to get on the plane.
    See here for sea trials and test report.
    https://model-boats.com/gallery?q=Sea%20Scout
    Oops! I turned a Broads cruiser into a sport fisher๐Ÿ˜
    Your boat is considerably larger and heavier!?
    I wonder if your 50mm prop may simply overload the motor and just draw more current without delivering any more performance?
    I'm sure Rob can help with the motor / battery combo๐Ÿ‘
    Looking forward to your progress reports.
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    https://model-boats.com/gallery?q=Sea%20Scout
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    1 month ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    "hopefully its maiden voyage will be this summer. "
    Looking forward to the vid Michael ๐Ÿ‘
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    1 month ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Doug. We shall see. I had this motor in the shop, but the nice thing about the Eflite is that they are all interchangeable and use the same mount. Just 4 bolts! Iโ€™ve used them for quite a few of my models over the last 10 years and have yet to have one fail. The LiPos I use are 4400s at 12.6v fully charged. The next motor up is a 1040, which would certainly turn faster, but I donโ€™t want to have too much speed to be way unrealistic. I will try to load a video of the lobster boat (still figuring this site out - said I had the wrong format so trying a link) which has this motor and battery but with a (home made) 3 : 1 reduction gearbox and a much larger prop. The real boat cruises around 20 knots so this is not so unrealistic. The model is 46 inches with a beam of 14 inches. With all this volume she weighs just over 30 lbs to get her to her marks!
    https://share.icloud.com/photos/0OdCkPGeRtb64qLMRPuSALj5A
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    1 month ago by Graham93 ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi Ed,

    Looks like you have a real challenge to keep you busy for quite a while. Lots of useful information about Crash Tenders on this site.

    Iโ€™ve used a 1250kv brushless with a 3S LiPo and a 35mm prop on my 34โ€ Crash Tender and it gets on to the plane easily. I have to be careful on the local pond not to create too much wake and upset the other boaters. I found it didnโ€™t work so well with a larger prop.

    Looking forward to seeing more of your rebuild.

    Graham93
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    1 month ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    It looks like l might have to revise engine and prop when I get to sea trials. I have quite a stock and have purposely made this stuff easy to change. Thanks for the encouragement!
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    1 month ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Edh,
    A little trick i use is to find the rotation of the prop if it is to quick to see is I use a strip of paper.
    I set the throttle to the forward position and then as the prop is spinning i slowly push the paper in to the side of the prop or prop's from the outside aiming in to the centre.
    Looking from Aft port side If the paper flicks down then the prop is turning Ant-clockwise.
    If the paper flicks up then it is turning clockwise.
    Looking from Aft starboard side If the paper flicks down then the prop is turning clockwise.
    If the paper flicks up then it is turning Ant-clockwise.

    I don't know if this help's.

    Martin555.
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    1 month ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi EdH,
    "The LiPos I use are 4400s at 12.6v fully charged."
    I take it you meant 4400mAH, cos 4400s would be 16.28kV (nominal!)
    Please please tell me who makes 'em cos I want some shares in that company๐Ÿ˜

    Must look up Eflite, never 'eard of 'em! Sound interesting.

    BTW: What format are your videos?
    What comes after the . in the file name?
    Happy refurbing, cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    1 month ago by Rookysailor ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    I also have a 1/12 Firboat Ed, not quite as old as yours, mines only 50 years old, bought in 1970 using a merco 60 twin plug ic engine, then later converted to brushed motor, but now has a 2700kv inrunner brushless, with a Turnigy 120 amp ESC, and a 4 cell 5000mah 14.8v battery, not as nice looking as RobBob's boat, but she certainly gets on the plane quick, in less than 15ft, will post some video of her on the water next week.
    Good luck with your project, I'm sure you will do a lovely build comparing to your lobster boat.๐Ÿ˜Š

    Cheers, Pete
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    1 month ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    15ft !? What takes so long Pete?
    Better tell the helmsman to go on a diet ๐Ÿ˜
    Which reminds me-
    Caught sight of myself in the hall mirror today and thought
    Hmm, looks like I could use to lose something!
    PREFERABLY THE MIRROR!๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ
    On that happy note, G'night all, Doug ๐Ÿ˜ด๐Ÿ˜ด
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    1 month ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Doug,
    You are correct. 4400mAH!
    The E-flites are model plane engines but I have used them successfully on boats and like them. I have never had to fan or water cool one because their Outrunner open design creates its own cooling draft, but of course the ESC does normally need to be water cooled.
    This motor is 950 kv but requires a 45A ESC. A 4400mAH 3c LiPo normally lasts me at the most 15 - 20 minutes. I'm hearing comments here of battery run times of up to an hour, so I'm wondering if we are talking slightly different scenarios here and this motor is typically driven harder. The motor will run on 4c batteries but then I probably would have a heat problem! The photograph is of a scratch built Blackwatch 30 with two of these motors, 30" long and heavy at 8.5 lbs. The water we live by and run these boats on is open and tidal, so they have to be heavy and decent sea boats!
    I wish I could get the video of the Wesmac lobster boat to load, as this would show a much better comparison. I asked support for the file types that are supported but haven't received a reply yet. The video is in .m4v and .mp4, both of which seem to load, then produce the error 'unsupported format', or words to that effect.
    Thanks
    Ed
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    1 month ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Pete
    It's great to hear these stories of building these kits way back then. I remember doing this with my Dad all those years ago and as I've taken this one apart, I see things I remember we had trouble with, such as putting glue on the wrong side of one of the hull sides and having to frantically sand it all off (but the signs are still there!). Unlike yours, mine was always electric powered and slow, but I got a lot of pleasure from it. It's a wreck now, having been stored in damp basements and had things dropped on it!
    Best, Ed
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    1 month ago by EdH ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    I got a reply from support this morning, saying it's not possible to upload videos directly to this page, which is understandable. I've linked to a Facebook page for the Wesmac video (hope this is ok). Thanks for the input on motor/prop choices. I'm sure I will be experimenting with different options. The Wesmac 46 has the same E-flite motor and battery but with a (home made) 3 : 1 reduction gearbox and a much larger prop. The real boat cruises around 20 knots so this is not so unrealistic. The ESC is 60A and the 4400mAh 3C battery lasts about 20 minutes. The model is 46 inches with a beam of 18 inches (I'd previously incorrectly quoted 14"). With all this volume she weighs just over 30 lbs to get her to her marks!
    https://www.facebook.com/modelBoatsTrainsPlanes/videos/745145832599077/
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    1 month ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    See rides the water well.
    Good work Ed.

    Martin555.
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    1 month ago by Rookysailor ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Ref: (15ft !? What takes so long Pete?)
    Don't forget Doug, mine is a bit bigger than your Sea Scout, when it's bigger, everything takes a little longer!!!๐Ÿคชwell nearly everything, and I like to build the speed up, as you never know what's in front of you, on the lake.๐Ÿ˜

    btw, Helmsman is over 6ft and of slim build..

    Cheers, Pete
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    27 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Bragging again Rooky!๐Ÿ˜
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    27 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Ed,
    Easiest way to get Hi Def large file video on this site is to post it on You Tube and then post the You Tube link here.
    Had to do that with the vids of my Sea Scout trials.
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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