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    RAF Crash Tender 34" Aerokits
    Currently under restoration- see build blog.
    Krispie 36R
    A 36R class sailing yacht, design Vic Smeed (?) - free plans appeared in Model Boat magazine sometime around 1977 when I built it. Used stripped plank carvel construction - nylon sheathed and painted. Strip planks were made from Cornflake packets and used a nylon stocking for sheating with enamel gloass paint. All sails rigging and RC made myself.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Hull preparation and painting
    3 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Nice job Ed - one or two steps ahead of me.....I am also interested in what you mean by "ironing" transfer - waterline anyway....don't they just stick with the self adhesive ?Peter
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Engine room cabin top
    3 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Ed, thanks for your thoughts and layout plan. Re front or aft facing - in practice ventilation cowls or dorade cowls are often rotatable 360 deg - so one can either encourage air flow or reduce it especially if bashing into a head seaway to limit water ingress below ! so I don't think it matters water you commit to on the model. Still not sure whether to rebate by cowls a bit deeper than the lug......will see how it looks in situ on the model before committing....I agree it is amazing you can still pick up bits for these kits so many decades later !.
    Cheers Peter
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Engine room cabin top
    3 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Ed, I have just received my fittings kit from SLEC. I have a query re the ventilation cowls or " dorades". The SLEC pieces have a locating lug but if you install only to this depth - the overall height of the cowl is way bigger than the looks in actual tender photographs. I was thinking of installing them through a hole dia to match the actual cowl stem and so locate them lower and match photos more.....had you had any thought / observations about this?
    Peter
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    ๐Ÿ“ Fittings for Aerokits RAF tender
    3 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Nerys, sorry to add to your thread on barges under "Fittings for Areokits RAF tender"...โ€ฆ but hey ho. As a teenager I sailed out of Hollowshore ( at Jn of Faversham and Oare creeks) in the 1960s' with my Dad and saw many of Lawry Testers "projects" come and go including "Orinoco" after he had apparently raised from the seabed and then rebuilt/refitted her at his yard/slipway there. She still sails out of Ironwharf at Faversham now. Took my first pints of cider then the local ale " sludge" drawn from the cask at the "Shipwrights Arms" and staggered to my bunk when too many waiting for the tide.....which always seemed to be at 3 am !! Lawrys' wife was the fiesty barmaid back then ! Of course Lawry sadly passed I think not making it back to another one of his barges " Hydrogen" which he had finally as a live aboard in Faversham Creek. Happy days...โ€ฆ Peter.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Forward cabin tops done
    3 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Ed, thanks for the motivation.....perhaps I will try textured decks.....what is the full spec of the Rust-Oleum product you used as I cannot see the full can label....I get Rust-oleum Multi-color Textured....but when I google that appears quite a broad range of product...โ€ฆ..cheers Peter
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Forward cabin tops done
    3 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Ed, I see you used Rust-oleum Multi-color texture spray from the can in one of your photos. Clearly available in USA - but I don't think we have exact same product here in UK. I see Rust-oleum "concrete" effect spray that I can get here in Uk but wondered whether it will have same "texture" look as yours..... does your texture arise from sand particles in the spray or what ? Peter
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Forward cabin tops done
    3 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Ed, likewise really nice job on the non-skid and masking....envious......I have to decide whether to bother with this level of detail now as I am about to put in windows and ready for finishing colours...โ€ฆ.hmmmm... .not sure I CBA !!!!! for now - Peter
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Windows and decks
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Ed - coming along nicely - I am just a few days behind you with my restoration. I have a couple of queries:

    1) Did you manage to get dimensioned wood for the "rub rail" ? if so what size is it ?
    2) I noticed you ran rub rail all the way to bow - but I recollect seeing the rail stop somewhere around the forward cabin top - not sure if this was on a photo or someones model..... can you enlighten me ?
    3) I wondered why you made aft cabin windows "flush"... I was going to just glue an oversized piece of clear plasticard over the inside oversized...โ€ฆ.
    4 ) Would adding fine sand into a brushed paint layer on decks work rather than faff with a sprayed texture do you think?
    Appreciating your input !!! Cheers Peter
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    ๐Ÿ“ Ready for Hull and Deck Painting..
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Decking and hatches completed - hull faired and primed and faired again....ready for all over primer...โ€ฆ. RC components located..... put a twin "O" ring seal on top of the rudder post to hopefully limit any water ingress..... Now to get down to painting hull, deck and superstructure colours - going with RAF Medium Sea Grey for superstructure and RAF Dark Sea Grey for deck / aft cockpit.
    Still waiting for any clarification on cabin top colours from York Boat Club visit this week !!๐Ÿคž๐Ÿคž
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    ๐Ÿ“ RAF Crash Tender - need to seal deck hatches, mid-deck and aft cockpit
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Great - gues I will wait to paint my cabin tops until we can get it from the horses mouth ๐Ÿคž๐Ÿ˜Š When do you visit the York club? Peter
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    ๐Ÿ“ RAF Crash Tender - need to seal deck hatches, mid-deck and aft cockpit
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Cheers martin - still confused over cabin top colours...think Im going for the dark sea grey same as decks to give a more camoflagued appearance. Peter
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    ๐Ÿ“ RAF Crash Tender - need to seal deck hatches, mid-deck and aft cockpit
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Doug, many thanks for the specs....and perhaps slight confusion re the cabin tops colour white or the deck grey. Personally, considering these were built and operated near to "war-time" use - for operation in the channel amongst other places - I would suspect the cabin tops were the dark sea grey as camoflage from the enemy above......not sure I would want to be advertising my whereabouts with gleaming white cabin tops against a dark sea from aircraft above......although photos of the craft are black and white - I cannot see any white looking cabin tops in the actual craft pics. So I am going to go with the Dark Sea Grey for decks and cabin tops. BTW how are folks getting the "non-slip" into deck paint....just adding some form of modelling sand in a weak epoxy mix prior to overspray - or what ?
    Peter
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    ๐Ÿ“ RAF Crash Tender - need to seal deck hatches, mid-deck and aft cockpit
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Graham, many thanks for sharing your experience re sealing. BTW what colours have you done on your "93" - specifically the grey on superstructure sides and deck ( I have read that the decks were a darker grey. Any specs on the paint colours you used would be useful.
    Cheers - Peter
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    ๐Ÿ“ RAF Crash Tender - need to seal deck hatches, mid-deck and aft cockpit
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Is there a need to provide any kind of seal on above areas which have possibility to admit water into the hull whilst running ? If so, what have folks found effective / simple ?
    Cheers Peter
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    ๐Ÿ“ RAF Crash Tender - 34" Aerokits - mid deck camber or flat?
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Nick, many thanks for this sharing...and measurement. I must admit I had taken previous consensus advice and now put a camber on my mid-deck. It worked out a bit more than your measurement off the kit piece.....my camber worked out as 4mm at mid chord.... see pic. But hey- whats 2 mm between friends - for a restoration I cant be too worried.

    Hopefully this closes out this query and forum thread - I cant believe there has been so much feedback !!

    Thanks everyone who has contributed. A build blog update following shortly as aft cockpit and deck hatches complete. ๐Ÿ˜€
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    ๐Ÿ“ Fittings for Aerokits RAF tender
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Ed - have you acquired new fittings or are you installing the originals you may have ? I am in need of a complete new set of fittings for my restoration.....but not really sure of the best place to go for them ( 1/16 scale). Peter
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    ๐Ÿ“ RAF Crash Tender - 34" Aerokits - mid deck camber or flat?
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    I think you are correct looking at the real-life photo- looks to have a camber. Its easy enough to have this deck follow the roof profile as bulkhead cut to same camber. Thanks for digging up the photo.
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    ๐Ÿ“ RAF Crash Tender - colours & trim
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Chris many thanks for this detail on trim - could you please confirm which length RAF Crash Tender this measurement was taken off - as you have mentioned both 24" and 48" (?) models...โ€ฆ.
    BTW being an ancient engineer brought up with slide rules, I can handle any units of dimension from Rods and chains through to mm...โ€ฆ.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Hull Stripped out - new bulkheads & cabin structures
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Martin - thanks. Yes posting this build blog is helping me generate a lot more traction and enthusiasm to get on more with the restoration....
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    ๐Ÿ“ RAF Crash Tender - 34" Aerokits - mid deck camber or flat?
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    I am restoring the above and have lost details of the mid deck. Should it be flat ( as I have seen in some models) or did it have a camber following the bulkhead shape ?
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    ๐Ÿ“ RAF Crash Tender - colours & trim
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Chris thx for the info. What does your 13 v duracell battery weigh? Where does put the balance point on your model. For example x cm fwd of transom. That may give me some idea to scale down to my 34" version.
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    ๐Ÿ“ RAF Crash Tender 34" Aerokits
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Currently under restoration- see build blog.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Krispie 36R
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    A 36R class sailing yacht, design Vic Smeed (?) - free plans appeared in Model Boat magazine sometime around 1977 when I built it. Used stripped plank carvel construction - nylon sheathed and painted. Strip planks were made from Cornflake packets and used a nylon stocking for sheating with enamel gloass paint. All sails rigging and RC made myself.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Decking on & Keel extension to support new prop shaft
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Here are are more pics bring restoration works up to date so far this winter. Extended the keelson somewhat to suppport and fair-in new propshaft location and hopefully may provide a little more resistance to yaw when power applied ( seems to be a common issue reading others blogs...). Now I need to commit to starting the painting regime for internal places and electrics installation before I box myself "out" โ˜น๏ธ. Then its onto hull fairing and painting, windows (plasticard) and cabin deck structures and cabin tops.....
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    ๐Ÿ“ Hull Stripped out - new bulkheads & cabin structures
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    This blog is a bit of a catch-up as I have been working this restoration for 2 winters now. Real sailing takes priority during the season! Here are some pics of all woodwormed pieces removed (including several bulkheads and transom) and hull cleaned and painted inside - new rudder post and prop shaft installed. As the woodwormed pieces were removed I made card/paper templates by tracing and a detailed location plan of key positions ( bulkheads, side superstructures etc.)
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    ๐Ÿ“ RAF Crash Tender Restoration - Aerokits 34" 1/16 scale
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Salvaged this model from a relatives shed - riddled with woodworm through the plywood and in a very poor state.
    Estimated that model originally constructed between 1958 & 1965.Plan is to restore to close to original aerokits version - not to micro model internals and any more detail than was originally included in the kit.
    First to kill any residual worm - sealed in plastic and put it in chest freezer for 6 months. Most bulkheads and all decking weaked by longitudinal worm movement. Guess is they liked the old plywoods' glue component. Ended up stripping out back to bare hull. Port topside hull ply also weakened but really did not want to get into replacing all hull sheets. Overcoated outside of hull with epoxy and reinforced port side topside sheets by laying in a glass mat and 2 coats expoxy - now feels bombproof.
    Here are pics of model as found and stripped out to bare hull before restoration works.
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    ๐Ÿ“ RAF Crash Tender - colours & trim
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Martin, many thanks for sharing this - so white it is for the cabin tops !
    Only the RAF could be such perfectionists in their specs !
    Cheers - Peter
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    ๐Ÿ“ RAF Crash Tender - colours & trim
    4 months ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Am progressing restoration of 1960's aerokits 34" 1/16 scale RAF Crash Tender with this rubbish winter weather. I currently have two issues:
    1) The original craft seemed to have grey superstructure including cabin roofs - yet I see a lot of pics of models having white cabin roofs. Is the white for looks or did the original craft have white cabin roofs?
    2) What should I expect to trim for adequate planning - I have Lipo battery located over propshaft entry into inside of hull - seems folks are put 8 to 16oz somewhere forward to improve planning - can anyone give me a balance point measurement from bow or stern that reflects good model planning performance as a start?

    I will open up a build blog to upload and share restoration progress shortly.....Peter
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    ๐Ÿ“ Too Powerful Brushless ?
    2 years ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Traderman - whilst I am not an expert ( I am currently trying to decide what brushless combo to fit to a 34" RAF Crash tender) - clearly your motor is turing your prop shaft way to fast. With your motor spec of 3180 kV and a 14.7 V Lipo - your motor will be trying to turn your shaft at a speed of somewhere in the order of 45,000 RPM !! Firstly your prop shaft may not be rated for anything like this speed and secondly any slight mis alignment will likely be generating significant vibration - enough to cause your problem- have you noticed any?
    As to motor power - the motor may not be too powerful - but certainly dropping to a lower kV motor say 1100 and reducing the Lipo voltage to a 11 or even 7 volt system might be the right answer......but as I am finding its all a bit suck it and see...
    Peter

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    ๐Ÿ“ Boat Identity
    2 years ago by pmdent ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    This looks rather like a model of a "She 34" or similar designed by Sparksman & Stephens circa 1970 - classic IOR "bustle" that featured extensively in Admirals Cup team boats raced at that time - just my observations - very likely wrong.... Peter

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