Billings Banckert

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Billings Banckert

Hi y’all. I’ve temporarily put the Antje aside for reasons that I stated in the build blog and started on a Billings Banckert. I originally bought the kit for a very good price off EBay ( yes that still happens!!), then added it to my stash. I haven’t had it long when one of my “trading partners”, Fred, started eyeballing it. Long story short he had it about a year, decided to thin out his stash, and brought the Banckert along with 2 other kits I had traded him and made a trade back for a kit I had in my possession….so I decided to start her before she got traded again!!🤣
Now…it’s a Billings kit. Good quality parts, nice laser cutting, good brass, slightly confusing instructions with hardly any measurements or written details. It’s like my Taucher, you just have to think a few steps ahead. Unlike the Taucher, the kits parts are marked with drill holes and the like, so each step, from what I can tell, Billings wants you to dry fit the parts and see how they fit in relation to each other..which you should do anyway, but their kits seem to be engineered to encourage this. Now, there is no suggestions on power, battery, etc..there is a box fwd of the fwd bulkhead for the receiver. That’s it. Also, no useable tiller nor is there mention of one. So here goes😀
The first thing I did was to cut out the hull and deck, making careful note of what to leave via the pics in the manual. I then added the floor, 2 bulkheads, and the stuffing box support. I then tackled the stuffing box and the rudder/ Kort nozzle setup. The Kort nozzle is suppose to be held in place with 1 screw and the bottom shoe. The rudders are May of ply halves that you’re supposed to grind away enough material to allow room for the rudder shaft. I did mine out of layered balsa, sanded and lightly glassed them. I then decided, fatefully, to build the whole assembly up and bond every thing in place..this necessitated having the prop installed, as it will be a real pain to replace with the whole works glued together…however, if I damage that prop it’ll probably mean the Kort nozzles toast too, so there that.
I decided to use an old Hitec HS81mg for the helm, as it has enough torque for the job and has metal gears too. It’s also in a semi bad place, but where it sits I have a straight shot to the tiller, and works perfectly. Power is being handled by a HobbyWing 30 amp brushless esc and a 28 mm 880kv motor. I made a ply/plastic mount out of scrap. I’ll have good access to the motor, tiller, and electronics, the servo will likely be a little hard to get to but not impossible, and the prop/Kort/rudders have “no user serviceable parts”🤣🤣
Thats where I’m at now. I have to make sure I get my battery setup just right as the fwd hatch is narrow, so my choice of battery might be a little limited, but I have options. After that’s all completed, and if I feel I have enough room to easily ballast the boat with the deck on, then my next step is to secure the deck to the hull.
Cash
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  1. Colin HSilver
    Fleet Admiral
    Good morning Cash, I'll check to see if its in my notes. As built in the late 80's, I only keep her for my show display now, hasn't got wet since 2000.
    Cheers Colin.
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Under decks done, hull, deck and rub rail

Hi all. I worked all day Saturday, so I stay home from Church but watch the service on a live stream. Saturday’s a long day, 630 am till 5pm, so when I get home I’m done. Other than that and getting groceries in the a.m the day is mine to recuperate, so I spent some time in the shop.
The power and helm is done, esc and receiver mounted. I made an extension from the fwd bulkhead to help support the battery if needed, I had to cut the bulkhead down a bit to have a flat floor. I assembled the deck, rub rail and hull after laying in a half pound of bb ballast over the stuffing box just aft of the rear bulkhead, and determining that I could add the rest of the ballast with the deck on. I then started the aft hatch/superstructure after spending a good 45 minutes locating the cut wood parts in their respective sheets…I really think someone with a lot of jigsaw puzzle experience would have a decent go at this kit, as it is a matter of locating parts and test fitting everything before you even reach for the ca. Anyway, the hatch portion is done. I need to go by Ace Hardware and pick up some sanding sealer, then I’ll start assembling the aft superstructure.
Cash
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  1. RodC
    Lieutenant Commander
    I like the look of your bench. I wud feel right at home there
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  2. RNinMunichBronze
    Fleet Admiral
    Me too Rod😀
    You don' wanna see mine at the moment.
    Come to think of it - I can't see my bench at the moment☹️
    Lamentable state😭

    😎
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Rear hatch and superstructure

Hi y’all. Well, it’s been a hot few days, but it’s supposed to cool down a bit. Nothing like the summer of 80, we had 69 consecutive days over 100 degrees, and it hit 113 June 26-27 that year😮
Anyway, did a bit on the rear hatch and the superstructure built on it. The wood for the hatch had a bit of a warp to it, even after gluing on the stiffeners, so I added a diagonal stiffener and glued it in place as I held it straight, that fixed it!!
Nothing world beating about the cabin, it’s built up from sheet and block. I’m learning to read Billings “instructions”, they do make sense, you just have to tread carefully. I’m stopping this construction at this point till I get some sanding sealer, as I’m out of stock right now, once I get that supply I’ll do final sanding, paint and details then move to the main superstructure.
Cash
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Started fwd superstructure

Hi y’all. I found some lacquer based sanding sealer at Ace Hardware..it’s a quart can, should last me for quite a while. It does the job admirably, my wife was surprised when I showed her how it filled the grain and allowed me to make the surface much smoother. I’ve looked thru a couple of older Banckert builds, and I’ve noticed that the wood provided was a much smoother ply vs the mahogany looking ply in my kit. Now, mine came off eBay, so I done know if it’s an older kit than those builds or newer, but the wood is not as smooth.
But…I use what’s provided…mostly🤣
So after taking the Hawk out to get groceries I spent a few hours starting the fwd superstructure. It went together pretty well. I built up the main house first, then there’s a narrower cabin that builds on to that. I had a time fitting the forward bulwark, shield, whatever it’s called that wraps around the front. I tried to remove the thin wood but damaged it in the process, so I substituted plasticard. It worked better than I expected, not perfect but it looks good to me at least.
Since the after cabin is glued to the main body, once built I set the main cabin in place on the hull and tack glued the aft assembly to it to make sure it fit flush to the hull, the I carefully removed the whole assembly and did the rest of the joint. I’m at the stage where it would be prudent to fill and sand now, then I’ll tackle the upper cabins. My plan is to do all the wood work in stages, so everything is easier to fill and sand, the final assembly, primer and paint then railings, ladders fittings and the like. And, I think I’m starting to get the hang of “reading” the Billings manual.😁
Cash
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More superstructure done, and thanks!!

Hi y’all. Before I go on I want to thank y’all for the comments, I appreciate them, especially the ones about my workbench…it’s funny, when I start a build my bench is organized, thirty minutes later…😁 When I made the move to boats from airplanes, I truly thought that building boats would be less messy..🤣🤣
Anyway, thanks again. This is probably the friendliest board I’ve ever been on, you guys are the reason.
So…it’s Independence Day today, had the day off, so I thought I’d do the remainder of the superstructure. Nothing earth shattering, I did the wheelhouse and upper cupola today. You’ll probably notice in one of the pics that the wheelhouse roof has quite a gap. I just tacked it place at the corners to facilitate sanding. I’m now at the point where I have to slow down and think about what I’m doing. I need to sand, fill, sand again, primer, and paint in a certain order before the roof ever goes on, as I still have to do the glazing before the roof goes on or the wheelhouse is mounted. The next update might be a bit as I have to purchase a little more paint. I’m doing certain details last, and I think I’m going to do the doors out of plasticard instead of the supplied wood. Anyway, that’s where she is now, I should be back in a week or so.
Cash
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  1. RNinMunichBronze
    Fleet Admiral
    Credit where it's due Commodore 👍
    If you weren't such a friendly and humorous guy (not to mention an adventurous and rapid fire modeller😮) you wouldn't fit in so well.
    KUTGW Cash.
    Cheers, Doug 😎
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Superstructure paint, glazing and freeing ports.

Hi y’all. My paint order came in Thursday, so I got the base coats done on the superstructure. I think it looks…okay. I hit the wood with 2 coats of sealer, sanded both times, primered, sanded, then painted. What flaws I found under the primer I corrected, but as I laid on the paint I found a few more. Fixed what I could, left alone what I thought would be too much trouble and possibly make the problem worse. I really wish Billings would use abs or styrene for their superstructures…..
I did the glazing on the wheelhouse before I added the roof. All windows are in clear, but I had some dark tinted windows left over from my Taucher build, so I did the upper skylights with that. Once that was done, I added the roof, then masked over the windows sanded and painted the joint.
Now, the Banckert does not have cut out freeing ports, as the bulwarks are part of the deck molding and double walled. One of my club mates, Steve O’Connel, mentioned that most Banckerts he’s seen get a little wet on the deck, and suggested using square tubing as freeing ports…so that’s what I did. I cut holes thru the inner and outer bulwarks, inserted a pice of tube, glued, trimmed flushed, filled imperfections and sanded .now, I tend to run my tugs on the lighter edge of their ballast range, as I think they are more lively when maneuvering. If I’m given a waterline range, I shoot for ballasting at the lower half of the range. Boats still stable, but just seems to “dance” better when rudder is applied. However, I didn’t want to take chances so I added the freeing ports.
The wood trim at the top of the bulwarks is done too, once I have added sanding sealer and sanded the hull will be ready for primer. After that I’ll start the funnel, the it’s time for rails, compainionways, and the like.
Cash
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  1. RodC
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    Thank you, now I know the difference between a freeing port & a scupper

    And seeing your work bench assures me that I'm not abnormal or unusual
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Starting some detail

Hi y’all. Did a very little this week. Did some of the companionways and upper railing. I’m seeing my colors now, thinking gray deck and inner bulwarks, superstructure mostly white, railings black. When I build the funnel and mast and get that detailed and painted that will add more color plus some of the details will help also.in hindsight I think I should have built up the railing and test fitted to the superstructure before I did the paint, I’ll likely have to touch up a spot or two before she splashes. But, she’s a working boat so a little bit of imperfection is to be expected. I don’t weather my boats, they just come out that way….🤣🤣
Cash
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  1. CashrcGold
    Admiral
    Hi Ronald. I thought the same thing after I installed them, but I don’t know if I can repaint them without making it look worse. Anyway, I’ve seen pics of a lot of Banckert models, and many of them have had a bit of “artistic license” applied. She came THIS CLOSE to having a Robbe/Krick 50mm steerable Kort nozzle installed in lieu of the stock contraption that comes in the kit. Anyway, the black rails and ladders give a little contrast to the white superstructure……but I could brush them light gray……hmm….
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  2. RNinMunichBronze
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    Leave 'em black Cash👍 They look great as is.
    If you paint 'em light gray (grey😁) they'll disappear against the background.
    "If it ain't broke ..."
    😎
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More rails and paint!!

Hi y’all. Got another set of rails painted and installed this week, then I did most of the hull and deck paint today. It turned out okay…I really think this boats going to be a “five footer”. The only other Billings kit I’ve built is the little Coast Guard lifeboat I built a few years ago..and it was a pretty simple kit. The Banckert has challenged my skills, and in some ways I think I’ve done well, in others it’s ok. Anyway, I have some touching up to do and more details to work up. I sprayed the deck black, but I’m not sure if it will stay that way…might leave the bulwarks as is and do the deck gray. In any case I have a lot more to do till she splashes so stay tuned..
Cash
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  1. RNinMunichBronze
    Fleet Admiral
    Who's perfect Cash?
    Go gray young man!😉
    Can't remember ever being on a ship with black decks.
    Dark gray yes, esp. naval ships, but not black.
    Would get orful 'ot when the sun shines☀️☀️☀️
    Great work on the railings.
    Fancy popping over to Munich to do my 135cm destroyer?😁
    Cheers, Doug😎
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  2. CashrcGold
    Admiral
    Doug…if I came to Munich Teresa would have to come with me, and Grace…..and the cats…..🤣
    All kidding aside, I would love to go to Germany again. I met Teresa on leave here at home. We wrote each other for about 6 months, the I get a letter she’s coming to Germany and can I find a place for her to stay?
    Well….I begged my flight chief to let me take 2 weeks leave, my buddy and wife lived on the economy and had a spare room, and we toured the Schwarzwald, Trier, took a Rhine cruise…..and fell in love.
    Cash
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Eeehhh…I like this better😁

Soooo…I decided that I just did not like the looks of the black deck and inner bulwarks after my initial paint, so I did a little masking this evening and shot it with some Tamiya AS31 Ocean Gray flat, then hit it with semi gloss. I just think it looks better. Also, I did not like the joint on the upper part of the superstructure where the fairings and main side meet. I was using a semi flexible sander and it concave it a bit. Many builders have had slight creative licensing with this boat, so I used some thin plasticard and made a “reinforcement strap” from one side to the other. Then I went inside and made myself some Spam and Pepperjack sliders😊
Cash
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Funnel

Hi y’all. I’m working on the funnel now. I’ve built up the funnel from the supplied parts and did the little side lockers. I sanded it after the major assemblies were done, gave it 2 coats of sanding sealer, 2 coats primer and 3 thin coats paint. After the paint is fully cured I might give it another coat. The mast will be next, as it’s attached to the top of the funnel. I still have some details to add, but my goal is to have the mast and funnel done as 2 separate assemblies, then I’ll bond them together and install. I want to have them completely fitted out and detailed save rigging before I attach the final assembly to the superstructure.
I’m hoping I’ll have this part completed by the weekend.
Cash
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  1. Ronald
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    After my comment on black railings I went looking for tugboats and vessels where black was used. In the weekly publication on-line, www.Towline.com, I found one pusher tug with black rails and all black stairs but it was not the norm nor the same ocean going vessel you are building.

    You are doing good work on your model from what you’ve posted.
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