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    Krick Nordstrand Trawler Kit # 21430
    by MIR ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    ๐Ÿ“ Servo and Wiring and Main Deck
    6 days ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Let me start off by saying I had hit the wall last week on a few issues. After spending 5 hours on trying to get everything to fit properly I thought it maybe time to put the model in dry dock for a while. I have decided to name the boat The Miracle. What I have found out after 14 weeks 21 minutes and 14 seconds but whose counting is that many parts that you need are not included in the model. Luckily Amazon has had most of them.

    For those who are experienced model builders my issues are not even issues. You will notice by the attached photos a few things which may help the new model builders. If you look at the main deck that has now been put into position the instructions called to put the main deck in at the very beginning which would have made it very hard to do what you see now. I have learned they are a just a guide. What has been helpful is the instructions are one to one so I can answer most of the issues as I go along.

    You want to have all the electronics done and servos working properly before you start on anything else. Luckily I had some very good advice on this and everything now works perfectly.

    The next problem was when I got the remote control it was not properly linked up to the receiver, this was 4 hrs of frustration. There is a very small hole in the receiver unit which has to be pressed to link it up. This was not explained properly. It is now working.

    The servo which you will see has a very important part which again did not come with the model and they are called clevis adjustable linkage stoppers. This gives you the ability to adjust the push rod very easily to line up your rudder. If you don't have these buy them. Trust me on this.

    I have put a switch in the system to shut everything on and off and will be adding another one so I don't have to take out the batteries for
    charging.

    You will see in the pictures I am in the process of filling and sanding. You can see if you mask properly you can save hrs on your clean up. You put it right up to your joint on either side and just when it is setting up you take it off. What you see was before and after in 20 minutes.

    The clips are just to hold the cap rails in position to the hull while I am still shapeing and will start glueing them this week. I also have to drill the cap rails to receive the stanchions. This is not as easy as it looks since it has to be a vertical drill position which also takes into account the side wall angle here the use of the calipers is very important.

    The good news is the model has come out of dry dock.

    Best

    MIR
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Servo and Wiring and Main Deck
    5 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi MIR,
    It is good to see you are making progress.
    Like most things the more you do something the better you become at it, so carry on and keep up the good work.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Servo and Wiring and Main Deck
    5 days ago by redpmg ( Captain)
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    Hi MIR - Boat is coming along well - frustrating but its the normal sort of problems that you run across starting out - sometimes its also hard to remember the way you solved a problem before for an experienced modeller. Someone said the only way to gain experience is by making mistakes - you don't usually make them again . That applies to all of us - including very experienced modellers like Lord High Admiral Doug (shades of HMS Pinafore Doug - pardon the insubordination)

    Forgot to add in the previous alignment discussion - there was another way suggested long ago in a now defunct magazine - with your motor loosely in situ joined to the propshaft connect it to a single battery (1.2 to 1.5v) - 7.2 & 6v motors will run very slowly - you move the motor around on the mount (or move the mount) until it runs at its fastest no load speed on that voltage - (you can usually estimate that by the sound it makes by running it prior to placing in situ) then set the motor in that position A dab of silicone /glue would do . Always another way for everything.........

    And by the way you can use a Z bend on one end of a servo rod cut to size - tiny adjustments being made on the threaded end. Threaded end of purchased servo rods usually come with the plastic connector here in SA. (Expensive so tend to make my own). There is also a better system called a servo saver which has a spring incorporated to reduce the risk of overloading the servo - used instead of the Z bend.

    Your problem with the radio was probably caused by the fact they all tend to be made in China - and the Chingelese instructions are never clear......... That's why its useful to belong to a club or this forum where you can seek advice

    One thing further - Nimh batteries can tend to get very hot when charging - had a set that would almost burn you - lasted 5 years though. Used virtually every weekend once or twice. So do Ni Cads which also tend to explode if seriously overcharged or charged too fast . Lead acids can swell and leak - and its almost suicidal to charge Lipo's in situ. They need to be in a fireproof container . So I would tend to rather remove the batteries for charging if you can do so.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Servo and Wiring and Main Deck
    5 days ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Learning great stuff everyday. Best MIR
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Servo and Wiring and Main Deck
    5 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Looking good so far Mir, looks very tidy.

    JB
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Servo and Wiring and Main Deck
    5 days ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thank for all this advice. I now have the motor running pretty well and thanks for the advice on the battery situation. Best MIR
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Servo and Wiring and Main Deck
    5 days ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks JB I am now getting ready to shape the hull and put on the cap rails. Best MIR
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Servo and Wiring and Main Deck
    5 days ago by figtree7nts ( Admiral)
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    Hi MIR,

    You model is coming along nicely!
    Very good, Keep up the awesome work!

    Cheers, Ed
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Servo and Wiring and Main Deck
    5 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Heartily agree Red๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ Especially re LiPos. And would add, if I may๐Ÿ˜Œ
    Please folks - NEVER charge any battery inside a model!๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    Even the highly tolerant SLAs are not completely sealed and can vent hydrogen gas if stressed by too high a charge voltage - causing high current to flow.
    If the hydrogen can collect inside the boat and you then do a bench test with a brushed motor any spark could have interesting results!๐Ÿ’ฅ
    At best launching your superstructure to the ceiling, at worst setting fire to your boat, hair, bench, workshop, house๐Ÿ˜ญ depending on what's around the model. Apart from you!๐Ÿค•
    I find it more convenient to have my batteries on a separate charging bench (dining table๐Ÿ™„) anyway๐Ÿ˜‰ And I never usually charge any model battery type at more than 500mA, or 1Amp if I'm in a hurry.
    Never mind all that manufacturer's blurb about charging at 10C, 20C or whatever.
    That's just to encourage you to drastically shorten the life of your batteries so you buy more!
    Someone (JB?๐Ÿ˜) will surely object to this 'but I charge mine with X Amps and they work fine ...' OK but for how long? And do they still charge to full capacity?
    Treat your batteries nicely and they will do the same for you - and your wallet!๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿค‘
    I never had a battery get too hot to touch while on charge unless there was a fault with it.
    Had a LiPo once with a short in the first cell!! Rapidly disappeared out to the garden in a fire retarding bag!

    Shaft/motor alignment:
    "you move the motor around on the mount (or move the mount) until it runs at its fastest no load speed on that voltage"
    We must be similarly ancient Red cos I dimly remember reading something like that as well.
    I use the normal drive battery for the tests and the ESC and a Servo Tester to adjust the volts applied to the motor.
    I then connect an ammeter between the battery and motor, jiggle the motor around until the current drawn is at minimum. Easier to discern than 'most revs' by ear.๐Ÿ™‰
    The rest then as you describe Red๐Ÿ‘

    W.r.t " (shades of HMS Pinafore Doug - pardon the insubordination)"
    We (and I use that in the Royal sense - being Monarch of the Seas๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜‚) will overlook your indiscretion in this instance Captain. We will assume 'Extenuating Circumstances'.
    However, what I can't forgive is ...
    that I now can't get the HMS Pinafore music gedoodle out of my head!๐Ÿ™‰๐Ÿ™‰๐Ÿ™‰
    Cheers, FLEET//๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Servo and Wiring and Main Deck
    5 days ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Still major issues ahead. Thanks for your support. Best MIR
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Servo and Wiring and Main Deck
    5 days ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks for all the information. I am glad you informed me of the battery issue and the shaft alignment alternatives on the next one. Best MIR
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Servo and Wiring and Main Deck
    5 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    No sweat Mir, that's why we are all here๐Ÿ‘
    BTW: MIR, isn't that Russian for peace? Name of their old space station.
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Servo and Wiring and Main Deck
    3 days ago by MouldBuilder ( Commodore)
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    Hi MIR. You are doing very well for your first build.
    One thing I think I should add to the conversation is that you should always protect your electronics with a suitable fuse. Auto centres will sell small car fuses and a suitable fuse holder. This should be fitted as soon as you can. There are several different ampage values available from 1A to 40A more or less.๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
    Peter.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Shaft alignment and electroniscs
    12 days ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    As I mentioned I am a first time model builder and for those who are just starting out the shaft alignment is one of the most important areas in putting your model together and yes I had some very good help thanks to this website. Don't be afraid to ask. If this section is done wrong your boat will be doing the rumba on it's maiden voyage.. If it sounds like a food blender you have some work to do and this issue does not get fixed by putting grease in it.

    For the experienced builder the prop alignment is not a big deal at al. I had ordered a alignment tool from the UK and unfortunately the kit did not have my shaft size so I had drill what I received but I did not have a lathe so things got just a bit out of alignment. The easiest way to do this is to make your own alignment tool out of wood and match the motor shaft and the prop shaft diameters.

    I must have looked at this angle 30 times and to the eye it was perfect but it was off just a bit.The good news is I was able to correct the shaft and it is now running very well.

    You can see by the attached picture I was able to avoid drilling lots of holes for the control units. I used double face tape to secure them. All the control wires came through the strut area.
    Once the rudder is done I will now be able to secure the deck and start building the upper deck area. Took 12 weeks to get to this point but most of the upper deck has been in work.

    Actually I am quite happy with the way things are coming out.

    Best

    MIR
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Shaft alignment and electroniscs
    11 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi MIR,

    This dose look a bit of a challenge especially for your first build.

    As you say the prop shaft and motor alignment is very important to get right and is not as easy as some people think.

    Keep up the good work.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Shaft alignment and electroniscs
    11 days ago by redpmg ( Captain)
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    The boat is coming along well - glad to see you are taking your time and not expecting it to be finished overnight. doing a great job !
    And some very wise words coming from a so called "beginner" ( suspect you must have built other things before !) - single most important thing on any model boat is motor /shaft alignment (even if you are using Huco type couplings ) - full size boats too come to that. If you have a lathe an alignment tool is simple to make - with the right length piece of brass rod - gap to suit your coupling - (lucky to have lots of old round pin brass plugs - dismantled those and have lots of ideal size) All you need is one end drilled to suit the shaft and tother to suit the motor. With centre drills piece of cake.......If you don't possess a lathe sure a member of your club will be able to make you one easily. First one was made for me by a friend from hex brass .
    Sad that Graupner stopped making a lot of their nice items - amongst them the very useful gearboxes and shafts - included with those was a very nice setup for direct drive off a 380/400 motor - George Turner used those on all his fast models - only complaint was the plastic oiler fitting - so usually soldered a piece of brass tube on instead........ I bought all Westbourne's stock of them and any others found........Sadly only have a few left.
    They made things so simple ..............
    This ones going in a 16" model of a Fairey Huntress
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Shaft alignment and electroniscs
    11 days ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks for the kind words. I tried to drill out the brass tube that came from the UK from Mobile Marine but in drilling it obviously I was off. I do not have a lathe and I will have someone make me one in the future. Once I know my shaft size of the motor and the size of the shaft which I will look at before I purchase the next model so I have the right one. This was very challenging but I made a few adjustments and it is now working well. I am also going to put in an oiler tube as well. Thanks again for the advice.

    MIR
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Shaft alignment and electroniscs
    11 days ago by Colin H ( Commodore)
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    You are doing very well for a newcomer, if the shaft tube itself isn't damaged then you could just put new bearings in.
    I often have to do this as my main hobby is the restoration of vintage model boats.
    Looking good so far keep trying and ask when you get stuck.
    Cheers Colin.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Shaft alignment and electroniscs
    11 days ago by Newby7 ( Captain)
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    Nicely done so far keep up the good work.
    Rick
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Shaft alignment and electroniscs
    11 days ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Colin I Just put a brace under the shaft and the problem was solved. In the future I have to make my own alignment coupler. Best MIR
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Shaft alignment and electroniscs
    11 days ago by figtree7nts ( Admiral)
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    Hi MIR,

    You've done a marvelous job!
    Of making sure the shaft is true!

    Way to go!

    Great Job!

    Regards, Ed
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Shaft alignment and electroniscs
    11 days ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks for the kind words and your advice along the way. MIR
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    ๐Ÿ“ Salon, Rudder Assembly.Motor and Prop Assembly
    21 days ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Being my first model things have gone pretty well, I think. Instructions are only a guide. After 8 weeks I am starting to make some headway. Just finished the salon deck and door. All the photos show ruff edges and masking tape but they will all be gone when I complete sanding and filling which I am doing at this time as well.


    Rudder Post:

    The rudder post I must admit I got some good advice on and without it the model could have had some big issues. Happy to report the 3 hr job came out perfectly. The key is keeping everything in line while the rudder shaft is drying. Look at picture 8 for details. The 15 minute epoxy gave me time to make the final adjustments before setting occurred. I would recommend this for the beginner.

    Motor and Prop Shaft Alignment

    This has now been finally been put into work. I had been avoiding this for the past 8 weeks. There is still final adjusting of the motor and prop shaft but I am waiting for the aligning coupler tool from Mobile Marine in the UK. Being an ex coast guardsmen I never dealt with so many issues below the waterline. If the prop shaft and motor are not aligned perfectly as I am sure all of you are well aware the model will be doing a rumba when its maiden voyage finally arrives.

    Best
    MIR
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Salon, Rudder Assembly.Motor and Prop Assembly
    21 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi MIR,
    As your first model boat i think it is coming along nicely.
    It is surprising how long a model can take to make.
    But you are making progress, so take your time.
    It will look great when she is finished.

    Well done.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Salon, Rudder Assembly.Motor and Prop Assembly
    21 days ago by Newby7 ( Captain)
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    Your first model sure wouldn't know it by the work you've done .
    Rick
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Salon, Rudder Assembly.Motor and Prop Assembly
    21 days ago by MouldBuilder ( Commodore)
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    Looks a great start. Krick do make very nice kits.
    Peter.๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Salon, Rudder Assembly.Motor and Prop Assembly
    21 days ago by figtree7nts ( Admiral)
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    Hi MIR,

    Your model is coming along nicely!
    I like how it's shaping up!
    Just take your time!
    Your doing a great job of it!

    Regards, Ed
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    ๐Ÿ“ Putting in super structure
    1 month ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    The model may look a bit rough but final sanding and shaping still has to be done. All the windows have been masked off for painting in the future. I am waiting for all the motor parts and and servos so I can get all that working and tested before I secure the main deck. What is clear as I go along plans are only a guide and sometimes you have to do what makes more sense. The CA cement was perfect for securing the wood frame to the plastic and set up quickly. A little goes a long way.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Krick Nordstrand Trawler Kit # 21430
    1 month ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    I have been building the model for the last 8 weeks. First time model builder.. I am well into the model now. I have just finished cutting all the parts off the ABS sheets. I have gone much farther than these photos indicate and will be posting more as I go along. I am now sanding and cleaning up all the rough edges and have to cut the excess material of the hull. I have attached some photos of my progress. The website has been quite helpful if I have any questions as I go along.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Krick Nordstrand Trawler Kit # 21430
    1 month ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi MIR,
    You are off to a great start.
    That looks a very nice model to make.
    Keep up the good work.
    Good luck with the build.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Krick Nordstrand Trawler Kit # 21430
    1 month ago by figtree7nts ( Admiral)
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    Hi MIR,

    You are doing a great job of it!
    Your build of your model looks great so far!

    Please post more info as you go along!

    Regards, Ed
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Krick Nordstrand Trawler Kit # 21430
    1 month ago by Newby7 ( Captain)
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    Well done it looks good.
    Rick
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Krick Nordstrand Trawler Kit # 21430
    1 month ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks it is coming along slowly. Just purchased all the electronics so I can get that all working before I put the main deck in place. Mike
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Krick Nordstrand Trawler Kit # 21430
    1 month ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi MIR.
    As Punch and Judy would say "That's the way to do it" LOL!!!

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Krick Nordstrand Trawler Kit # 21430
    12 days ago by MouldBuilder ( Commodore)
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    Looking good. The build so far looks very similar to my Krick Police Launch which is nearing completion, still.๐Ÿ˜
    Peter.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Krick Nordstrand Trawler Kit # 21430
    11 days ago by Nerys ( Vice Admiral)
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    I think you are amazing to take on a model like this for your first effort. The work you are doing is exemplary and I look forward to reading and seeing more as you progress.

    Nerys
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Krick Nordstrand Trawler Kit # 21430
    11 days ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    I think they make very good models. What level do you think the police launch is. How long and what is the width. Is the hull all in one piece. Thanks MIR
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Krick Nordstrand Trawler Kit # 21430
    11 days ago by MIR ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    It definitely is not a beginners model. I will keep you posted. Thanks for the kind words. Best MIR
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