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    Fairey Fisherman 27
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    ๐Ÿ“ Fairey Fisherman - Cockpit
    10 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Having dealt with the rudder and it's servo I was then able to return to working on the cockpit by fitting the coaming and making the seating and boxing in the servo. Everything comes out to allow for access.

    This just leaves the door and console to make and fit.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman - Cockpit
    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Thanks Brian. I was apprehensive about the curved coamings and thought I might have to leave out the tight curves at the ends but thin ply came to the rescue.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman - Cockpit
    9 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง BrianD3 ( Able Seaman)
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    wow that's really smart work๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ“ Fairey Fisherman 27 - Rudder
    17 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Checked operation of the rudder by piggybacking off Faun. Enlarged the hole through the stern a bit to give more clearance and happy with the amount of rudder movement.

    Back onto the cockpit area now.

    ๐Ÿ“ Fairey Fisherman 27 - Rudder
    19 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    This morning I bolted the rudder horn in place. I'd got some M1.6 hex brass bolts and they were perfect when fitted with washers and domed nuts. I've said it before but how do they make lovely things like this so small!

    I also found a smaller brass collar, though the bore is oversize, that looks better than the other one.

    Once I've checked the operation and that the hole through the hull is large enough I shall make a mahogany piece to tidy it up.

    ๐Ÿ“ Fairey Fisherman 27 - Rudder
    20 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Well that was fiddly and couldn't be rushed! Time was first spent looking at my various options for the linkage given it's short length and awkwardness due to a relative lack of space and after trying a couple of options ended up with something I was happy with and was easy to fit and remove if necessary. The collar on the rudder horn is a bit chunky, but will do the job for now whilst setting up and later I will look at putting a thread on the short plain rod and using a domed brass nut which will look neater.

    As regards the servo initial thoughts were to mount it closer to the stern but this proved to be difficult as balsa would have to be removed both for mounting and providing sufficient room for the servo arm. I couldn't get any suitable power tools in and it would be difficult to accurately remove it by hand so I decided to stand it off a bit. To this end a mounting plate was made from thin ply and bass strip and the servo screwed to it. Bass bearers were then glued to the back and sanded to an angle to ensure good contact with the curved balsa forming the stern. The servo and mount was then held in place by hand, ensuring correct positioning and alignment of the linkage and then odourless cyano was used to glue the bearers in place. The rudder horn will then be bolted in place and the servo piggybacked from another model to check its operation.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27 - Rudder
    18 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Ronald ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I like that design too and with the added torque it makes for a good rudder control mechanism.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27 - Rudder
    18 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Ronald. I was looking for a micro servo with a bit more torque than the ones I'd got and came across wing servos and thought they'd be just the job due to their slim profile and way they mount which I thought would make things easier for installation.

    The forces generated under power (due to its low speed) or even under sail (lightish winds only!) are only going to be low but it's good to have some in hand but was surprised that such a small and slim servo could generate 3.5kg of torque. I guess that with aircraft that the forces generated can be quite high at speed.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27 - Rudder
    19 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Ronald ( Fleet Admiral)
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    The flat servo has a fair amount torque. 34-45

    Did you have these servos on hand or was it bought specifically for this model?
    ๐Ÿ“ Fairey Fisherman 27 - Rudder
    22 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    The rudder has been hung and once I have made a brass horn to fix to the rudder I can start on the servo mounting and linkage.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27 - Rudder
    20 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Vice Admiral)
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    The rudder mounting looks good Chris.

    I notice this is another thread that has been duplicated and appears twice on the Trending Topics.

    Bob.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27 - Rudder
    21 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Madwelshman ( Lieutenant)
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    That brass horn will look so much nicer than a plastic one.
    I think mounted on the spindle like that looks perfectly in keeping with the hull. It will also make it easier to remove if need be, but as you've said, secure too.

    Will
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27 - Rudder
    21 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Thanks you are very kind, I was originally going to go with pintles etc. but couldn't find any big enough. Also using a spindle makes it easier to make it so that the rudder doesn't come off. Spindle is 2mm which I threaded to take the domed nut.

    I've made the rudder horn now from 1mm brass sheet, so much better than plastic!

    Chris
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27 - Rudder
    21 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Captain)
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    Excellent detail. That rudder looks like something that came straight out of a jewelry storeโ€”so beautiful and incredibly precise.
    Your level of craftsmanship is on another level. Truly impressive work.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27 - Rudder
    22 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Madwelshman ( Lieutenant)
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    That looks the part Chris ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ‘
    ๐Ÿ“ Fairey Fisherman 27
    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Just a little bit more progress. Few low timber strips to the main cabin roof so filled those with wood filler and sanded smooth. Fitted the mahogany rubbing strips and gave the hull a good sanding and took the sharp edges off the keel. had some minor gaps where the bilge keels meet the hull so these were filled with P38 and sanded smooth. Few more coats of Eze-Kote and a final sand and it will be ready for some paint.

    Before that though I'm going to have a look at making the fittings to mount the rudder and then the servo can be mounted.

    ๐Ÿ“ Fairey Fisherman 27
    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Before I go much further I need to paint the hull (which I was procrastinating on!) so I've switched to fitting the deck so that I can then fit the rubbing strips and paint the hull - I need to do this now as unlike most of my other Faireys which have removeable superstructures this one is fixed so it will be difficult to work on the model upside down and will risk damage.

    So first job was to form the camber on the bow which I did with a triangular bass strip along the centre-line to give the height and angle and glued balsa sheet either side which was then sanded to shape. 2mm ply was then glued in place and sanded at the edges. Next I added in some additional ply pieces to support the joints and cardboard templates were made for the side decks which were transferred to ply with an allowance for sanding and again glued in place and sanded. The stern was a bit more complicated because of its shape but followed the same procedure. I hand sanded the decking around the outside of the hull which is always hard work on ply edges and so for the inside of the cockpit area I used my multi-tool with a grinding wheel to take most of it away and then finished off with curved and round files.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Thanks Bob and Will.

    Not for the speed merchants obviously, but I'm glad to have built the Fisherman and Faun as they are so different to the the other Faireys in looks but mainly their construction. I'm certainly looking forward to getting the Fisherman on the water with it being sail and power.

    Chris
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Vice Admiral)
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    Fisherman 27.

    That is looking nice Chris, and the fixed superstructure will make it a lot more water-tight too ๐Ÿ‘

    Bob.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Madwelshman ( Lieutenant)
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    Fair play Chris, she's really starting to take shape now. That jump from just a hull, to having a superstructure and decking on has made such a huge difference ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ‘Œ

    Will
    ๐Ÿ“ Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    The servo for the rudder arrived this morning. What a great little thing it is being only 10mm thick and 30mm wide and has the benefit of the mounting holes being vertical which will facilitate mounting. Fitting will require some surgery to the stern but I'm confident I can make this work. I will probably have to form some small boxing over the seating area to cover the swing of the servo arm but I can live with that.

    I also need to make or buy/modify the rudder hinges so that I can mount the rudder to work out exactly where the servo needs to sit.

    Once I'm able to I will get on with this and progressing work to the superstructure.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    I think so. You forget sometimes that parts and materials from other model/hobby areas can be useful. I happened to come across it when I was looking for a micro servo that had more power than the one I used in Faun.

    It's prompted me to have a look to see if any Tamiya vehicle parts can be adapted for one of my future builds.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Madwelshman ( Lieutenant)
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    That's a nice compact little unit Chris. Should do the job nicely tucking into the stern like that.

    Will
    ๐Ÿ“ Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Bit of work to the cockpit area. Introduced some mahogany, that will be varnished, to form the "wings" to the rear of the cabin that enclose the wheel and console area.

    A template was then made for the floor and then transferred to some laser etched planking ply I'd got left from previous builds, which was cut out and sanded to provide a good fit. This will be left loose for future access and routing the rudder servo cables through. With the floor in place I made the housing for the engine.

    Then a start was made on the rudder. Like the full-size boat this has a mahogany blade which I'm laminating with thin ply on each side. I've increased the depth of the rudder as is common practice with sailing models, though I've always got the motor to give a helping hand!

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Ronald ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Chris your drawing doesnโ€™t indicate the manner in which the rudder will be controlled. Please draw or sketch that detail. Top Side End Orthographic
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Not quite. See my photos below and this is a drawing I produced.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Ronald ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Is this what you are building?
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Yes, as you say only low load whether from power or sail. But even that servo will pull 3.5kg so plenty of power.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Madwelshman ( Lieutenant)
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    You'll suss something I'm sure Chris.
    I would think you will get away with using a smaller servo, as the rudder loading of a slower, less powerful model such as this, will be considerably lower than the likes of a H31, or Rapier for example won't they.

    Will
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Photos of the full-sized Fisherman and the cockpit area and for the model. I did think of running a rod through the cockpit area but as it will be towards the centre of the model I want to avoid it if I can.

    I think by using a wing servo, which is only 10mm thick and cutting out some of the balsa at the stern to give room for the swing of the servo arm I can keep the size of the boxing to a minimum and make something in keeping with the design of the cockpit. Servo should be arriving soon so I can see how that works out. Fingers crossed!
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Ronald. Comments and advice are always welcome. Just going for the blood test so I'll reply properly when I get back.

    Chris
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Ronald ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Chris

    Not sure what the finished model is to be, thus if comments are not fitting with your design then please ignore.

    Several of my sailboats have rudder controls which require two rods to pass through a cabin wall to connect with the servo control arms.

    The push rods are #12 aluminum knitting needles. I get them used for .25cents.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Having had another look I'm having to discount using a snake. The curve of the stern and the balsa blocks I've used there mean that the bell cranks would be further forward than using a servo. With working models sometimes compromises have to be made.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Madwelshman ( Lieutenant)
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    I'm sure it has been a big build so far, especially as it's a scratch build, and having to figure things out along the way. You're doing a grand job of it though, and will be rewarded with a really nice, extremely rare model at the end of it.
    I was going to say, how about a snake cable, as at least the servo could remain remote then. I know they don't give quite as precise operation as a directly acting rod (unless fitted as a pair), but on a slower model, it wouldn't be such an issue.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Cheers Will. It certainly is steady progress. There's been an awful amount of work in the build so far and still lots to do including the mast and sails but I'm enjoying it as it's so different to my usual builds. Plenty of challenges and thinking required but that's why I scratch build.

    One is positioning the servo for the rudder. Space is very limited due to the seating area and I'm probably going to have to modify it compared with the full-size by having some boxing. One option is to use an airplane wing servo which are slim and easier to mount (one ordered) or run a snake along the side of the cockpit from a servo in the cabin and a bell crank, but that brings its own problems.

    Chris
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Madwelshman ( Lieutenant)
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    Steady progress there Chris, adding small details like that makes such a difference to the model, and it's realism ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜Ž

    Will
    ๐Ÿ“ Fairey Fisherman 27
    2 months ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Not much progress of late for various reasons. Decided not to fit the sub-mast yet as I wanted to progress the superstructure. First job was to measure up for the rear wall of the cabin and knock up a quick drawing. This was then transferred to ply, cut out and glued in place. Ready to form the roof then but hadn't got enough bass strips so placed an order with SLEC including other timber and ply to replenish stocks for future projects.

    Whilst waiting for that I made a cardboard template for the cockpit floor to make a ply template that will be used to cut the floor out of laser etched planking ply.

    Package from SLEC duly arrived and I've formed the roof for the rear cabin ready for sanding.

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