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    Bristol Pilot Cutter - Katie
    by AndyB ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    ๐Ÿ“ Final Trim
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    During the last week I moved some more ballast towards the stern and am much happier now with the trim of the boat. I think this is the final change that's needed. Just need to resolve the issue of a "skipper" and perhaps think of a few other details such as an anchor.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0XM8kTU32c
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Final Trim
    2 months ago by cdnfurball ( Leading Seaman)
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    She moves along very nicely, you should be proud of your build
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Final Trim
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks
    The wind was quite light for the most recent video, it doesnโ€™t seem to take much of a โ€œpuffโ€ to get the boat moving.

    The lake at Fleetwood is right on the coast, so too much wind is a regular occurrence and can be a problem.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Final Trim
    2 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    She Sails beautifully Andy๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
    Trev
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Final Trim
    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Looks great Andy,
    Was the wind fairly strong when the video was taken?
    She seems to be making good progress through the water.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Final Trim
    2 months ago by ChrisG ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    So realistic, beautiful well done.
    Regards ChrisG
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    ๐Ÿ“ Katie Sailing
    3 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    These are some photos from a couple of recent sails - the more recent ones, were taken on a overcast day, with more wind than I'd expected.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Katie Sailing
    3 months ago by Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Lovely looking traditional gaff cutter, from the photos she sails well too. She really is a credit to you.

    Nerys
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Katie Sailing
    3 months ago by Ron ( Rear Admiral)
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    With windy conditions you have the option of removing the upper sail? That is nice!

    Looking forward to your video.

    Beautiful vessel and it most draw attention from the beach ๐Ÿ–๐Ÿ–๐Ÿ˜€
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Katie Sailing
    3 months ago by Derek 151 ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    I am quite envious Andy. She looks absolutely brilliant. You must be very pleased.
    Derek.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Katie Sailing
    3 months ago by ChrisG ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    She looks and sails beautifully, you should be very proud of Katie.
    ChrisG
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Katie Sailing
    3 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Picture Perfect๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
    Trev
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Katie Sailing
    3 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Sweet, Andy
    When I used to sail on friend's boats I loved when we put the rail under.
    I always had stink pots, but my true love is sail!๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜
    Trev
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Katie Sailing
    3 months ago by mturpin013 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Andy just come back to the site and catching up on blogs, what a great build you must be really pleased with how she sails
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Katie Sailing
    3 months ago by Julio ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi, AndyB:
    This photo is awesome!!... How well it sails!!
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    ๐Ÿ“ The dinghy
    3 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    The new hatch cover has been made, with some planking so it fits with the rest of the deck. There are four small eyes in place, which look realistic if the hatch cover is used alone. However, there is a cradle that fits into these and then the dinghy is tied down. I think on the full sized (real boats) the dinghy was stored fore/aft but if I did that on the model it would interfere with the jib sheets, that's why its been mounted "sideways"

    It would be good to find a suitable figure to act as a helm. However, the tiller does swing round and could get in the way (the helm would move in real life) and also the boom could cause some problems - which is also problem in real life but most people remember to duck !

    I'll try and get it out sailing asap - however it is looking quite windy for the next few days.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The dinghy
    2 months ago by Muskrat ( Warrant Officer)
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    ๐Ÿค•Well done Andy with your Build with Katie you made a beautiful job of her and she looks great on the water but unfortunatly due to another injury on top of the one i already had mine is go up for sale again as i can no longer spend the time i need to complete her.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The dinghy
    3 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Hammer, an interesting idea, which Iโ€™ve not heard of before.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The dinghy
    3 months ago by hammer ( Lieutenant)
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    I made a westerman from balsa. Hand fixed to tiller spring for arms. Other arms spring has string when pulled it waves.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The dinghy
    3 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Nice job on the Dinghy, nicely trimmed out.
    Trev
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The dinghy
    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Andy,
    The Dingy looks great, as does the rest of the model. ๐Ÿ‘
    Looking forward to more on the water shots.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ“ "Mods"
    4 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Yesterday - Wednesday, club day - I sailed Katie again, in an increasing wind and really should have left the top sail off. This second sail did show up some issues that needed addressing, so today had a look at some "Mods".

    1) The rudder is slightly lower than the keel, which makes putting the boat down awkward. So removed it and trimmed the bottom so it was slightly above the keel line.

    2) If the mainsheet is let out to quickly or in light winds, the slack inside the hull can get caught around the corner of the lower mast step. So added a small piece of wood to prevent this. A rope will catch always on anything it can !

    3) I'd temporally added a small amount lead shot - about 3/4lb - to the stern area and this was just enough to left the bow, so have made this permanent, by dropping it in the rear with the boat lifted up at an angle and fixing it with some resin. This puts it at the lowest and most rear part of the boat.

    In hindsight, I should have added around 3/4 of the lead ballast, sailed the boat and then made an assessment of its trim. However, this small addition does seem to have made the difference.

    4) The jack spar, tended to fall off slightly, so made a set of jaws form brass, just to hold it vertical.

    Have started to make another centre hatch cover, which will be planked as the deck and forehatch. Decided to order some wood to complete this, as I needed some other materials for another project.

    Sarik models also sell a couple of plastic vacuum formed dinghies, the smaller is 9 inches long. So far have just trimmed the moulding but it does look like it might fit - however, will need to consider how to simulate the interior. Perhaps some plastic strips but it will need to be a painted finish - hopefully at least the gunwales can be wooden.

    https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/plastic-clinker-rowing-...
    https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/plastic-clinker-rowing-dinghy-hulls-9-13-white-plastic-hips/
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    2 months ago by Derek 151 ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    I am sorry to say that I cancelled my order for the 'Katie' hull and plans. I came to my senses and realised that it was too big and complicated for me to start at my age๐Ÿ˜ญ.
    I will just continue with a trawler, which is well under way and, hopefully, after that the tug 'Lady Laura'.
    Derek.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    4 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Hammer - the idea of making a boat from planks, in a traditional manner, certainly does appeal - perhaps over the winter I'll take some time and make a small boat.

    "I must try harder"
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    4 months ago by hammer ( Lieutenant)
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    No drawings I build them as full size practice. Upside down on a frame. I use 1or2mm ply depending on size. The secret to remember is only the first and last planks are straight. All others are shaped against the previous plank. After removing off frame the inside is fitted out. Photo of old frame for a 4.5โ€ boat. Clamp just holding rule. The hole in frame is to hold model down. As full size use props off the shed roof.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    4 months ago by Ron ( Rear Admiral)
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    Nice reflection photos
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    4 months ago by Derek 151 ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Couldn't agree more Andy.
    Derek.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    4 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Derek

    As soon as I mention that MB magazine has little content about sailing, then there is an article about building a BPC.

    Itโ€™s great to be proved wrong, letโ€™s hope that continues!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    4 months ago by Derek 151 ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Andy, I think that I have already had a good look through the modelboatmayhem and modelboats.co.uk items that you mention. There is a rather nice build of a Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter in this months 'Model Boats' magazine and I am corresponding with the editor with a couple queries about it, but certainly not criticisms. I am looking forward to seeing what the outcome is.
    So far as length of time building model boats is concerned, I moved on from model aircraft when my reactions were slowing down and I have been building model boats for some years now. I think that I am at an age where I really should not consider any new builds but could not resist the temptation of a BCPC. Fingers crossed, will have to see how it goes. I must say that I shall probably find some of your photos very useful.
    Derek.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    4 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Derek - Before Katie, I built a "Flyer" BPC designed by Gary Webb - Bearospace, (see photos) he has an excellent range of designs and YouTube videos to help. The design certainly encouraged me to look at how to use two winches. Have only been "model boating" for 18 months but do sail a full size boat. The priority for me is that any model should sail well and be robust enough to be used in a reasonable wind. Yes it needs to have some details but not so delicate that it can only taken out on "sunny calm" days.

    The only references that I could find - were from Muskrat (Jon) on this forum and Graham93 who built a stunning Flyer model.

    However, a very useful blog of a BPC build can be found @

    https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6609...

    Its always good to hear about "traditional" style sailing boats being built and look forward to seeing more. If Model Boats magazine is meant to provide an insight to the world of model boat building - then we (traditional boats) don't exist, even the MYA, which seem to do a good job at organising the racing side of things gets little coverage. However, you may disagree as my only experience of MB magazine is the occasional purchase and "flick" through in Tesco's !
    https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,66099.0.html
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    4 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Good luck Derek and looking forward to hearing from you about your boat

    Iโ€™d be very interested in hearing about others.

    The drawings provided minimum guidance.
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    4 months ago by Derek 151 ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Everything looking absolutely brilliant. I am gleaning as much as I can from this build as I have ordered a 'Katie' hull and drawings. There seem to be quite a few 'Katies' already built or being built at the moment. It's difficult to know which one to concentrate on. Keep up your excellent work andy.
    Derek.
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    4 months ago by Derek 151 ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Everything looking absolutely brilliant. I am gleaning as much as I can from this build as I have ordered a 'Katie' hull and drawings. There seem to be quite a few 'Katies' already built or being built at the moment. It's difficult to know which one to concentrate on.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    4 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hammer, thanks for your confidence in my abilities but the โ€œplasticโ€ dinghy was an easy choice. However Iโ€™m still not certain it will fit, so I may have to make one yet.

    Was yours from a drawing?
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    4 months ago by hammer ( Lieutenant)
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    Adjusting the sails to suit the conditions, the right idea. I am disappointed that you are using a plastic punt. With your skill I am sure you would have made a superb job. I did a demo on here somewhere. Phone of my smallest.
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    4 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Roy
    Look forward to seeing your BPC, they are very appealing boats. When making Katie I did wonder about the rudder and if it would be big enough, realising that some models have an "additional" lower piece to the the rudder. However, the trim I've done is only a couple of mm's, so it shouldn't make any real difference. Good tip for the weighted sheet - I'll think about that.

    I had put all the lead in the centre of the boat and tested it in the bath but should have considered about keeping the bow a touch high. I'll do another sail at some point and post some snaps.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    4 months ago by roycv ( Midshipman)
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    Hello Andy Mods! Best done one at a time as otherwise the effect can be lost or clash with others.

    The loose sheet line can be helped if you put a couple of turns of solder wire to act as a weight around the string as it comes off the winch, so the slack stays in the hull and any moderate wind will easily overcome the couple of loops of lead solder.

    Having just increased the depth of the rudder (made a new one) on my topsail schooner My first thoughts on looking at your sail boat was that the rudder is not going to have enough effect to turn the boat through the eye of the wind.
    My Topsail schooner behaves a lot better now.

    On another point if you want a quick turning hull you have to know where the pivot point is and keep the weight in the centre of the boat.
    If you spread the weight to the bow and the stern there is more mass to turn round at the ends and it takes its time. But it does reduce pitching and gives stability on a set course.

    Joshua Slocomb set sail and commented on his first arrival on land that he had had a very rough trip, he was told to spread his provisions at the ends of the hull and that sorted out the rough ride.
    I have been given a smaller version of your BPC and the maker told me it will sail without external ballast and the rudder is much the same as yours, so in 3 boats time I will see how she goes!
    Carry on the good work, love the enthusiasm and energy and if you have any to spare let me know!
    Roy
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    ๐Ÿ“ First Sail
    4 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    So today was launch day - a gentle breeze and all went well. Trying to take photos & video and sail the boat, with only two pairs of hands is a bit of challenge, especially when tacking and trying to get the jibs across to the new side.

    A couple of things which did come to light. There was some "play" in the rudder system, which was easily solved by using the screw adjusters on the servo.

    Some of the halyards need a slight "tweek" - just to pull the sails a touch tighter.

    On a couple of occasions the mainsheet got wrapped around the rudder stock, this happened when gybing and not pulling the sheet in at all. The tiller goes through the head of the rudder and protrudes slightly out, so I've trimmed this so its nearly flush. Sailing again tomorrow will see if this provides a solution.

    Although the boat floats level to the waterline, once going downwind the bow does start to bury - which is to be expected. Perhaps I should have trimmed it slightly stern down. Removing ballast from the bow area is really not feasible but adding a small amount in the stern might solve this. I'll do a test in the bath.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiHsuJrUIn0
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    3 months ago by Muskrat ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi Andy, As much as i would love to finish my Katie, I think my Surgeon might have put the mockers on that today, i will have to think about building a static version as i could have problems with a boat which is heavy to carry but we will see.

    Regards Jon
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    4 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Stephen

    I did want to try and make it sail without a false keel. I sailed it again today, in slightly more wind. Once the boat gets going its fine - but as it tacks and before it picks up speed you can see some "side ways" movement, before the keel "bites" and the boat is then on course.
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    4 months ago by Ron ( Rear Admiral)
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    You did a find job. Looks fine out on the water.
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    4 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Andy,
    She looks fantastic on the water (and off), and proves you don't have to have a large false keel to sail a scale boat. I would think you are right about broaching (I had to look that up to see what it was) as she was healing a bit in those lite conditions.
    Nice pond by the way.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    4 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Jon, please finish yours and get it afloat, it would be wonderful to have both sailing together?
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    4 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Roy, it tacks fine but the jib winch takes a few seconds to get the sheets in tight on the new side. There is quite a long travel to ensure the windward sheet is loose.

    Iโ€™ll be interested in how well it performs in more wind, especially sailing downwind, when I can see that the boat may broach.
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    4 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Great job Andy, looks fantastic and sails well, looks well balanced looking at the rudder inputs ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ You'll be happy with that.

    JB
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    4 months ago by Muskrat ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi Andy, Well impressed buddy she looks lovely on the water. I will definitely get back to mine now I have seen yours on the water. Well done Andy a great build.

    Cheers Jon
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    4 months ago by ChrisG ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Andy,
    I am sick as a parrot that she is not mine and I cannot take the praise that such a lovely old gaffer no doubt invites.
    She is beautiful and as for her being nose down, well hardly just get the crew to sit on the stern rail.
    Happy sailing, regards ChrisG
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    4 months ago by roycv ( Midshipman)
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    Hi Andy how quickly does she turn in a tack? Looks great!

    Roy
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    4 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Graham

    Iโ€™ve tried a small amount of lead shot (wrapped in a bag)in the stern, tested in the bath. Pulls the bow up and will try it afloat tomorrow.
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    4 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    She Sails Beautifully, Well Done, Andy
    Trev
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    4 months ago by Graham93 ( Rear Admiral)
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    Hi Andy,

    It looks great on the water. You must be well pleased with the outcome.

    I found I had to add some ballast to the stern on my Cutter to help keep the bow up.

    Graham93
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: First Sail
    4 months ago by Colin H ( Admiral)
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    That's one beautiful sailing boat.
    She looks so realistic on the water.
    Well done shipmate, cheers Colin.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Final Test
    4 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Have finished to the point where "we can go sailing". The final float test showed the boat just above the waterline, which is fine and when pulled over the boat seemed to right itself easily. The centre hatch really needs to be made from the planking material but there isn't enough leftover from doing the deck, so I'll either have to obtain some more or think of another solution. There are also several details, such as the anchor, that will need to be added, although the previously mentioned commode will not be one of them !

    The weather is quite windy at the moment but later in the week it drops off - ideal for a "maiden voyage".
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Final Test
    4 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Andy,
    She looks fantastic, I am looking forward to seeing her on the water.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Final Test
    4 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Excellent job Andy, keen to see how it performs.

    JB
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    ๐Ÿ“ The Rigging
    5 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Have started the rigging. Wanted to check how well the jibs would work, checking to see there was enough travel in the sheets, to ensure that it would be possible to move the jib from one side to another, as the boat tacked. In fact there was far too much travel, if I used the full length of the winch/track. I'll leave things as they are for now but may reduce the travel (end points) once having actually used the boat on the water.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The Rigging
    5 months ago by dave976 ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi AndyB
    I usually attach the line from my winch to a hook on the spar and run the line along the spar to another hook then back to use a bowsie. That way I can adjust the travel as the wind dictates. I have used end point adjustment and agree it works well for initial setup. However many of my schooners use one winch so I need to have individual adjustment of the spars.
    Model coming along well and I look forward to seeing her on the water
    dave976
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The Rigging
    5 months ago by Muskrat ( Warrant Officer)
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    It would be great to see both of them on the water, I am getting on well with my Fairmile now so I will be getting back to building my Katie soon.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The Rigging
    5 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Jon
    I would be great to see both boats out on the water sailing together.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The Rigging
    5 months ago by Muskrat ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi Andy, I have been following your build of your Katie and you have made a beautiful job of Her and when I do get back to building mine if I can it half as good as yours I will be happy but we will see. Looking forward to seeing her on the water.

    Cheers Jon.
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    ๐Ÿ“ The Winch
    5 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    The winch does work but think I'll not add an actual anchor and chain yet. The aim is to get it sailing and finer details can be added later. Another area for development, would be the central hatch, which really needs to be made from planking and a dinghy added, as this would have been used to carry the pilot over to another vessel that needed guiding into port.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The Winch
    5 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    That's a very nice looking winch Andy. ๐Ÿ‘

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Rudder Fitting
    5 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Did another flotation test, with servos and batteries in place, which showed I needed to move some of the ballast forward, as the stern was definitely sitting down, also removed some, so the total is about 6.5 Kg.

    Once the rudder, cockpit and companionway were added I realised the tiller was really to long, so this needs shortening.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Ballast
    5 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    I added the shroud plates, just bolted in place with M2 stainless hex heads. The shroud plates should be black - did think of painting but this would not be durable and would start to look "tatty".

    I've got 7.8Kg of lead, most in shot form. Added 7Kg of it and fixed in place with some resin. Once cured I'll use the remaining lead to trim the hull. However, even with all the lead the hull still floats above the water line. Perhaps after some "sea trials" some more ballast could be added.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Ballast
    5 months ago by ChrisG ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    What a beautiful build you should be very proud. Look forward to seeing her finished.
    Regards ChrisG
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