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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 (
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Looks fantastic and what an achievement. I agree with Dave, it would be great to see some action shots before you 'retire' her to a museum. My heaviest boat is 25lb and I don't like carrying that any distance! She doesn't bounce about though.
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Dave M (
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Time well spent and the end result justifies the time taken. Please let us see some pics or even a video on the water before you berth in the museum ๐
I know the feeling re large heavy models but on the water they look so magnificent. ๐ ▲
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12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง kevinsharpe (
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The model is from a 'Veron' kit now produced in the sixties to early seventies. veron no longer exist. She was a Vosper fast patrol boat of the Trinty class. I am currently restoring one which has twin electric. The model was originally designed to run on a single screw powered by a 10/15cc Ic engine. Copies of the plans of the model are available on e bay. Fleetscale also prosecutor an accurate drawing of the vessel along with a grip hull.
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง vaderswar (
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its a vosper 100ft patrol boat called HMTS Courland Bay. regards steve
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง stanley (
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Thanks Mate Your a Star,,,,,,,
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Michael R (
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look in the military section its a vernon fast patrolboat
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง frankburgess (
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Well fellas, Sucess the boat performed pretty well, similar performance to the motor which burnt out, but without any drama. Checked the temperature of the motor occasionally, and it seemed warm but not excessive. The battery is a 7amp lead acid (Motorbike type) and gave well over an hour running time.
Unusual feature of the boat, is that being big (46") the wash is considerable. Thanks for your ideas Best Regards frank ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง frankburgess (
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Thanks for the ideas fellas,....as the motor was given free I will try it out with just brief runs and check the motor temperature.....I'll let you know the outcome
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง wombatjames (
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Action Electronics do a 900 size motor which top revs at 6500, so bucket loads of duration torque to turn a higher pitch prop. 1/4" drive and used on large boats.
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Gregg (
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A 50mm prop is a sizeable item, for a setup requiring "speed". I would either suggest you use a gearbox and drop it to a 3:1 setup, thus offloading the motor, but tripling the torque out.
Why not simply fit a medium size brushless motor, which will give you the revs you need and drop to a smaller prop. this then allows you to use a smaller/lighter battery pack [Lipo]. I dare say that if you check the spec on the "johnson" motors, you wont be getting much more than 16 - 18,000 tops at its top rating. dont forget, this is in "unloaded" test. Coupling it to a 50mm prop, you would be lucky to see any more than about 400 rpm, BUT a current draw in excess of the motor rating, thats why it did not last long. hope this helps. ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง frankburgess (
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Well........more Sea Queen sagas.
The wheel chair motor was no good at all. very low revs and negligable thrust. Fitted a replacement Johnson motor from a 14v battery drill, ......success!......reasonable pace semI planing for about 15 mins when the motor gave up in a cloud of smoke. I have been given a motor stamped Johnson 970 with a label 'Marlin MK2'. The motor has 1/4 shaft and runs at considerable revs on 12V and has been used in a model cabin cruiser on 14V. My prop is a 3 bladed brass 50mm. I think this prop was too much for the original motor and caused the burnout. Would the bigger Johnson handle the 50mm prop or should I fit a smaller prop? Any ideas? Best Regards frank ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 (
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It would be nice to see more of your Sea Queen and some action shots- always a favourite of mine.
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง frankburgess (
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Motor is now fitted ...its a 'Redmond' 12 V 10Watt.......not sure its going to be right though...it has massive torque but low revs on 12V.
I don't want the boat to be quick because my club majors on scale sailing models, and a 46" launch charging round the lake would not be popular! Any way nearly ready to go I'll let you know how it performs. Rgards Frank ▲
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๐ฌ Re: This Is a scratch built paddle steamer named "Jeanie Deans "
11 months ago by ๐จ๐ฆ RPLedm (
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She is Beautiful!!
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Chiefy (
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Hello Ian,
Thanks for your kind words and thoughts, will try and do a Video,especially if the weather stays mild Regards Brian ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 (
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I think people (including myself) often look at photos without comment thus giving the Impression of no interest. I think this a fabulous model and like Dave, I would be very interested to see a video if it were ever possible. Thanks for posting.
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Chiefy (
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I have adapted a cassette player to play a full tape, running 40 minutes a side, so a nice varied selection of " Way down upon the MississipI " and all the popular rag time tunes.
Regarding ballast, with so much equipment aboard, I am marginally below the water line. My son took a video of the Maiden Voyage, see what I can do. Not sure if my computer skills will manage a build log, but will give it a whirl before I get to far ahead. Thanks for your interest ▲
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๐ฌ This Is a scratch built paddle steamer named "Jeanie Deans "
13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Dave M (
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Really nice looking detailed model. Bet she needs a few kilo to ballast! What tune do the Banjo Band play?
If any of your club members have a video it would be good to see this actually sailing. Thanks for sharing this detailed model, perhaps you may consider sharing your build skills in a blog when you build the Ayton Cross? Well done. ๐ ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ads90 (
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Down at the lake this morning. Boat is now complete with hand rails fitted and painted. 40MM 2-blade X type prop fitted and with the batteries moved back she went really well. The bow lifted well out of the water and got on the plane very easily - would not want or need to go any faster.
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ads90 (
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HI Dave
Yes, my ESC is a Tornado 50 Amp which is the same as my friend's one - in fact I bought it on his recommendation, however I usually use Mtroniks. Our motors are not the same but both have similar RPM at 12 volt. I have ordered 3 more props of varying sizes and pitch to see how it will perform - had I have seen my friend down the lake in the last few months since I have been building my Perkasa, I might have got the prop right to start with ! I don't think I will get a 'pass' to get down the lake before Christmas so hopefully it will not be too cold and freeze the lake again before I get a chance to try her out. Alan ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Dave M (
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HI Alan
Glad to hear you managed a sail today. Our lake was frozen, has been for about 3 weeks now. Sounds like you will get the batteries in the best place. Bigger prop will put more load on the motor which will draw more amps. is your friend also using an identical SLยฃ if the power is not available I suspect you will still not get the performance you seek. Good luck and lets hope all goes well ๐ ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ads90 (
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HI Dave and all
Took my Perkasa to the lake this morning for her maiden voyage. She floated well but was a little nose down in the water so Dave you were right. She went reasonably well but a little slower than I had hoped but her bow pushed up well. I changed the prop to a 2-blade 35mm prop and she certainly went faster. No water getting in the hull or prop so pleased with this. A friend of mine also had his Perkasa out and he was running a 45mm and then a 50 mm prop with superb performance, he then dropped his down to 35mm and the performance was similar to mine. So looks like I need a 45 mm prop which is what I was going to get in the first place but didn't want to over prop it. When I got home I made some adjsutments to the bulkheads to get the batteries further back. So will let you know how she goes next trip out, as I long as I get the prop in time. Alan ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ads90 (
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HI Dave
Thanks for the comments. The SLA's are actually at midships at the point of balance. A friend from my boat club has built the same model but has a 12v SLA installed more towards the bow and it still planes. I think his 12v SLA is a 7 Ahr rating. When I tried my boat in the "Marine test tank" it reared up on a touch of throttle and shot water out of the bath at the other end, much to the wife's displeasure, so I am hopeful but don't expect to have much run time. I have 2 one metre yachts, RAF Fire tender, Tug and a motor driven ketch and I have changed all over the last couple of years to Planet 2.4 GHz and all perform well on our boating lake - the location of the receiver in the yachts is the worst as they sit quite low in the hull possibly at or just below the waterline but have always found them to be no problem. The only thing I would say about the receivers is that you have to be carefull with the pins because they bend easily. My last two models were Caldercraft and Mantua but the Precedent range is not the same quality. Still, I have enjoyed the build and must admit that the nearer it got to completion the better I fet it looked. ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Dave M (
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Looking good. Always happens that the pond becomes unavailable just when you need it most. ๐
Looking at your very neat installation the SLA's are well forward and you may find it difficult to get on the plane. I suspect the 700 motors will possible want more amps than your 4.5Ahr SLA's can supply. NiMh batteries would give more power for less weight and could be placed nearer the stern. I use 2.4Ghz (Planet) and once had a problem with range because the aerial was too low in the hull and was dipping below the waterline at speed, resulting in loss of signal. You may want to consider raising your receiver so it is nearer the deck level. Regarding quality, Precedent kits were very 1960's and very good in their day, but as you have found the quality is not as good as today's offerings. Mind you we were using old tea chests ply so by comparison they were good! ๐ Looking forward to your report on the maiden voyage Good luck ๐ ▲
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8 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ circle43nautical (
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BRAVO ZULU!
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง HoweGY177 (
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Love the look of it, awaiting the plans for my next project and like you will be scratch building her. To anyone interested if you are modelling about 1/32 scale and are looking for scale crew and get stuck purchase wwe 2" high micro wrestling figures. There solid plastic and can be cut about and re-modelled using hot glue to any position that you want. Coat with unI bond before using air drying modelling clay to sculpture the clothing. Let dry and apply a couple of coats of unI bond before painting with Humbrol or similar paint.
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13 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ jd (
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I did make some drawings off of mesurments I took from the real boat and some pictures
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Dave M (
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Great looking model. Very realistic but then it is a model of your boat. Nice to see a scratch built model. Did you draw up plans? ๐
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8 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ circle43nautical (
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BRAVO ZULU! Great work on your maiden project. I also love using scrap & leftover template wood.
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8 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ circle43nautical (
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BRAVO ZULU! NICE BOAT! 1:12 scale is great for detail. Now you have the RC fever, right?
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง pmdevlin (
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thanks for kind comments, email me (email hidden please send pm) I will provide the complete build, Paul
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13 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ kgildenhuys (
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HI There, I like what you've done with the boat it looks great.
The boat my father had was lost in time but when we sold the house I came across the plans, little bit moth eaten but decipherable. I want to start and rebuild the boat within this this year from totally zero but don't seem to find many "parts" for it. I Like originality in looks but love new technology built in as well. Is it possible to ask for some pictures that I can use for reference when building please. Regards Kobus ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 (
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I agree about the wattmeter- essential piece of kit I'd say and yes, I too haven't burnt out an ESC since having one- a regular occurrence before!
The data logger sounds very technical- I'll borrow my daughters Garmin that she uses for running and see if that is any good. ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง pmdevlin (
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we (HS93 AND I) Tried a load of things to measure performance accurately, you do something, think its better, when actually it isnt. The first thing I had was worth its weight on gold, a ยฃ15 plug in line volt/amp/watt meter, from 4-watt. it told me max amps, so I could measure what amp I was pulling with various setup, just changing props from X50 to X55 can have serious consequences on amps, and this gadget protects your precious esc!
We then did gps with a phone, it worked well, we could log using google earth the map of the run, and speeds, but it didnt tell us anything at the lake, it wasnt "real time". I now use eagle tree data logging, a receiver, and upgrades are a digial screen mounted in the boat, so I can actually see what is going on, amps/volts/mah/ and a few other useful things, then I have a gps add on, so I have speed, and a rpm add on, so I can measure the motor rpm. Might seem like overkill, but this is what I enjoy doing, and its saved my esc so many times by not having a setup that is too amp hungry, once you have the recorder, the add ons are pretty cheap ๐ ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 (
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Thanks for that- it's just that I have been toying with the idea of getting one just for the fun of it. I'd also be interested in the data logging thing- is this a normal Garmin type GPS or something else. I balk at the cost even for the walking I do! I find it next to Impossible to judge the speed of a boat and it would be interesting to know. I rated my Wavemaster at 12mph but haven't a clue really! Unlike you, I like to get things going reasonably well and then leave it.
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง pmdevlin (
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Its a ยฃ15 EBAY chinese key fob thing, two runs, one pointing forward, and one pointing reverse, and a bit of lucky editing, I have a few of these videos, its interesting watching the wake, especially on the turns, gps data logging had the boat doing 22mph that day, its does not look that fast really ๐
I have one video showing the motor running, belt drive, thats quite good seeing the belt running up and down the gears! I love tinkering! thanks for comments, Paul ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 (
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Certainly worth the wait- great video! Along with the performance of the boat I was struck with how well the ensign flew.What camera are you using?
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง pmdevlin (
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yeah we are having issues with it, Stephen is attempting to sort it out, I could post the youtube link, not sure if that will look right on the forum, lets see if Stephen can sort it ๐
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 (
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When I try and load this video I get a message saying it's unavailable. is this just me? I'd love to see it.
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 (
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HI Graham,
Yes I remember your Wavemaster- I think we had a conversation about the photos at Portishead. I have to say I was delighted with the look and performance of this boat and without suggestions from folk on this site it wouldn't have been so successful. I'm using a Graupner 700 on two 3s lipos in parallel with a 37.5mm X type prop. I'm using two lipos because I wanted them in the middle of the boat-one either side, so I made up a parallel connector. The suggestions which have helped me have been to use lipos, buy a wattmeter and to try ModelBoatBits rubber couplings- all brilliant! I'm just in the process of stripping paint off an old Maycraft Mercury and I must say, I prefer to build from new materials and not having to work round someone elses bodges! Ian ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง jelley_baby (
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HI Ianed57, what are you running it on it looks very good under power. I have one that was bought from Ebay that looked as sad as yours did, I think that we must be mad to take on these projects but it would be sad to just abandon these fine old models from the fifties. I have some photos of mine under Pleasure Crafts posted in July this year. Graham ( jelley_baby ) ๐
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๐ฌ Two refurbished Yeoman Wavemasters
13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง jelley_baby (
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HI I bought them on Ebay, from Hongkong, they were about ยฃ9 plus some small amount of postage they have a brass motor gear, and an aluminium gear for the propshaft I use the system on three boats the Wavemaster a Sea Commander and a Fire Boat. On the water with 7.2 volts but will also run on 9.6 volts and 11.1 volts 3 cell lipo's. I will try and get a photo of the motor and gearbox. Regards Graham
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 (
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HI Graham,
Glad you liked the video. They are smashing boats aren't they? I really fancy a new IP Engineering one but have too many other projects on the go to make it a sane decision! I have to say my WM is the best running of my faster boats, which include a Lesro Sportsman and a Rapier. She seems to hug the water in turns rather than bounce around, so a great design I think. I'd be interested to hear how you arranged you gearing on your WM. Did you make it up or but a ready made unit? Ian ▲
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง jelley_baby (
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P.S Great videos of both models.
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13 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง jelley_baby (
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HI Lovely to see that someone else has the same affection for the Wavemaster I too bought one on Ebay last year and after restoration, think that it really is a classic 1950 designed model that with modern electrics produces an acceptable modern model, mine is running with a 600 size motor through a 2.5:1 gearbox and a 45mm prop. Run times are also very good on NiMh batteries. Good sailing Regards Graham
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