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    VINTAGE RUNABOUT -NEW WINTER PROJECT?
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    πŸ“ VINTAGE RUNABOUT
    2 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Off the rack now and found a few adjustments had to be made, as things had moved a bit. I had to cut and slide bulkhead 5 over about 4mm, as it had moved on the keel slot, (probably should have put another shelf bracket there). Patient's well (and in recovery) now I think. Took the big machinery -Emco star (which I do most of my bandsawing and disk sanding on) and belt sander) to the over laminations on the gunwale and chine rails to speed things up, and finished them off with a block to the correct angles. Also belt sanded the rear keel pine blocks to match the bottom angles, (my Einhell belt sander has a flip up front guard which lets you see what you are doing,- very handy)

    I have glued in most of the sheet support pieces to the bulkheads, and the large sheet supports at the stern, as it will require an extra piece added to the main sheet, due to the larger scale. Also added extra bulking out pieces here and there, which will also be sanded down for sheet supports (extra gluing area and easy to push modelling pins into) Looks reasonably straight now, (using eyeometry) and any small corrections can be made by over sheeting and sanding straight.

    Not the easiest hull to do framing wise as mentioned, due to all the compound curves, ie the gunwale starts at one angle, Right- through another angle and rolls the other way-left to the transom,- lots of sanding re laminating and more sanding, (like twisting a square rod and bending it inwards and downwards at the same time. Lots of fun😐 Getting there slowly.

    The Austrian Emcostar is one of the handiest tools you could have for modelling,- has a 1/4"bandsaw, belt sander, disc sander, bench saw and jigsaw, and scroll saw plus you could get other attachments such as a wood lathe to go on the back end. Unfortunately not produced any more, but would be rather expensive these days if they were. Still have a big following round the world, as they have lasted well due to the beautiful and clever engineering.
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    23 hours ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Sorry JB,
    But i think i am wired wrong for fast charging.LOL!!

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    24 hours ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi martin, do you find that shaving your head lets you charge faster in the sun ?πŸ˜‚

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    24 hours ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    My Bio Digital Tools are a bit the same Colin, find I need power everything these days😁

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    2 days ago by Newby7 ( Rear Admiral)
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    As they say in business Martin one hand washes the other LOL
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    2 days ago by Colin H ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hey there Martin, my multi purpose tools seem defective any chance I can borrow yours.
    Cheers Colin.
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    2 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Nice work.
    I like the multi purpose tool JB.


    Over here in the U.K. I have a multi purpose tool too.(see attached photo)
    Occasionally it is solar powered if i sit in the garden with no hat on LOL!!

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    2 days ago by Newby7 ( Rear Admiral)
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    I would say JB that having all though's tool in one machine cuts down on space and time. The boats coming nicely.
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    4 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Been doing a bit more chine and gunwale laminating (4-3mmx10mm laminations each) looks a bit rough, but most will be sanded to shape later before sheeting). I've also had a play with the new shape for the transom, which as mentioned has to be built up due to its' new scaled up size. It will be a different shape to the plan, but it should allow me to bend thin ply round it for varnishing. Just 'chain-sawing on the fly' as I usually tend to do😁.
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    4 days ago by Newby7 ( Rear Admiral)
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    I like it JB coming along nicely.
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    4 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi JB,
    I can see her Transom taking shape now.
    Keep up the good work.

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    6 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Done a bit more work on getting the lines looking right today and it's starting to look better. I bought a couple of shelf brackets today, and used them to hold the front structure firmly in place, as with the amount of 'rocker' in the keel, the front half of it was off the board and very flexible and impossible to work on.

    Bought a marking gauge as well to mark the 3mm sheet I bought to use for the strips to laminate the gunwale frames. These have to be laminated, as scaling the boat up to 33" from 18", meant that the timber scaled as well, (obviously), and the now 10mmx10mm framing would have been impossible to bend. A bit of packing will be involved but will not be seen once the deck is on etc.

    I am going to try and modify the marking gauge into a balsa slitter (there were some made for plane work years ago, not sure if they still do them) as it would be handy to be able to slit your own balsa (they charge near double the whole sheet price for strips )

    I've just re-re modified bulkhead 4 to give a bit more room to play with in the 'engine room'. Might be able to fit everything in one compartment as it's quite roomy. The pics show a brushed 550 motor for scale (probably fitting 2 of these, running on 3s LiPos and HV ESCs.
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    4 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Peter, I think the bow is almost going to be solid by the time I add blocks and wedges etc, plus it has 4 laminated 3mmx10mm rails coming through (4 strips per rail, - ie 12x10mm,- plus an intended hardwood stringer between). I might look at laying Mahogany over balsa sheet if I can find any, (hard enough to find balsa now,)- even shelves in supermarkets are getting sparse at times due to slow shipping,- a lot of ships are by-passing NZ ports and businesses are running short of products and materials.

    When I first started work in a timber yard / early hardware mega store back in the early 70s, they used to import shiploads of Mahogany boards (around 24"x 6") and process them and re- ship them. They also imported Canadian Cedar for building cladding, as they were affiliated with a Canadian Lumber company. You don't see Mahogany like that any more, and it's extremely hard to find for full sized boat trim and $$$$$$$. Years ago, when I was fitting out my Hartley, I bought a couple of 4ft lengths of 4x4" Taun (hardwood) for the engine bearers which cost me a spleen, as it could only be purchased from a specialist timber importer. It would now cost a spleen, leg and a kidney😁

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    4 days ago by redpmg ( Captain)
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    Hi JB - look for some Marquetry puzzles - some have large pieces of Mahogany veneer - remember you only have to use it up to the waterline . We have a veneer supplier based in Jobg - presume he supplies the plywood manufacturers etc. You must have something similar in NZ.

    Suggested the double planking as it reinforces the sharp end like the original balsa block - in case of high speed contact with a solid object...............

    Does happen from time to time unfortunately . Last time with me boat ran out of radio range and into the cliffs (scale) - did not do it much good...................
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    4 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Peter, it's going to be glassed over, so it should be strong enough without double planking, (I'd love to plank it in Mahogany and varnish it, but too hard to find, - and expensive) but I think you are right,- a slight flare would look good if I can work it in. I have another idea for the colour which should suit it.

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    4 days ago by redpmg ( Captain)
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    You are talking about flaring the bow I suppose JB - apart from looking good it helps keep the boat dry. Would suggest you do so and only wide sheet plank as far as the first former - you will probably have to add a another few stringers between the bow & first former for the flare. Further suggest you double diagonal plank that for strength & durability using narrow planking . Don't thank me Grandma............
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    4 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Peter, still have a few mods to do for the framing as I think it needs another stringer between top an bottom to give the balsa sheet more support. As it is, I think a sheet will roll nicely round the shape, but if I put a small flare (mainly for aesthetic reasons) it might make things a bit harder. I could always use small sheets to wrap/plank a small flare I suppose.

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    4 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Martin,- the first vid is something more like it, but I'd use a mounted knife rather than a saw. Can't see the guys' point in the second vid, as the bench saw he has, probably has a Vernier scale which he is using as he moves the fence out each time. If you cut to the outside this way, it will automatically produce a thin offcut, so perhaps his 'gauge' is just for measuring when he moves the fence out. You can do the same thing with a set of 'fingers'.

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    4 days ago by redpmg ( Captain)
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    Coming along great JB - beginning to look the part - looking forward to seeing what additions you make.

    Looking at the latest pics was thinking how few bulkheads you need on the average hard chine hull unlike the the round bilge ones - they definitely need more . Busy converting a round bilge to multi chine in Corel - be interesting to see how that comes out in reality. Don't know why I start these things - you have far more sense than I in completing one model before starting the next.....
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    5 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    JB.
    Do you mean something like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZPOarBVxSk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQafrYaSS-U

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    5 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Martin, that's sort of the thing, but I was thinking more like a saw bench style with a moveable fence, so you can get a longer reach. Might be able to mount a multi tool with a thin blade on something as well. I'll have a look in my bits and pieces sometime and see what I cam come up with. I'd like to make one using industrial linen sheet (reinforced Formica), but it's horrendously expensive,-nice to machine though, and you can drill and tap it as well.

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    5 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi JB,
    Here is a simple Balsa splitter.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk1ZR9g9W2M

    I am sure you will make a better one.

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    HI Martin, I've found those same splitters locally ($27) but they don't do very wide strips. Still could be handy though for the smaller stuffπŸ‘.

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    5 days ago by Newby7 ( Rear Admiral)
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    Well done coming along well. Like Ron I like your clamping pieces.
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    6 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Martin, thanks for that info. I was thinking of a small tabletop version for splitting sheets, and one like this might be ideal, bolted to a board so you can pull a sheet through.

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    Hi Ron, they are made from cheap Chinese coat hanger clips. I was trying to find clamps like this to hold stringers while framing, but there appeared to be nothing like this available. I'd been trying to think of something like this for years, but the brain wouldn't think sideways😁, then suddenly it clicked. I used my angle grinder to slot the ends and took off the sharp bits with a file. They work well up to about 5mm square. As you can see in the pic of my Hartley framing, they work sideways over the stringer onto the bulkhead. Obviously you can us them the normal way as well.

    PS, forgot to mention, these clamps come on a long rod, which is removed, and the clamps individually bolted with 3mm bolts with Loctited nuts.

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    6 days ago by Ron ( Captain)
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    I like the clamps you are using, where did you get them?
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    6 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Starting to take shape JB.
    Keep it up.

    You can still get the Balsa splitter but they are easy to make.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Balsa-Stripper-Cutting-Tools-Scra...


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    7 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I've now trimmed and made a few adjustments to the bulkheads, and lined up and glued Nos 2,3,5,6 as I am reasonably happy with them. A few of the bulkheads were not equal side to side on the plan and have been shimmed to correct this. The shape is not too bad, but I think it could have been a bit fuller in the bow at the chine. I might add a bit on frame BH2 later, as I was thinking of building a slight flare in (from BH3 forward), rather than have the bow planked flat sided.

    I was initially hoping to build it upside down, but due to the fact it is all compound curves and the way it has been drawn, it would have required a board full of support blocks for the different heights of the bulkheads, (sort of like tying to build a 3 dimensional banana) I ended up installing a partial half thickness rear thick keel (originally for a shaft and rudder support I think) and used that to screw the rear end down on the board. I added a couple of blocks at the front to keep the keel straight as well.

    I'll be off to the hardware tomorrow to buy a couple of right angle shelf brackets to hold the stem steady for framing, and some more small wood blocks from the Chinese $2 shop for assembly props. I'll have to find some 10x3 balsa strip (or cut some sheet down) to laminate the framing,- especially the gunwale as it looks like it is moulded over and may need building up for sanding to shape.
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    6 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Martin, there should probably be no need to cut them all out, as the plan doesn't call for it, but I might cut out no 3 for a bit more cockpit space later . I haven't glued in no 4 yet so I can get at it before everything is permanent. I have actually just shortened no 4 some more to make a large motor and possibly battery/ESC space. It was originally 18" for diesel or small electric, but since it is now almost twice the size (had no idea of the size till Peter and John updated the info on the model) it's got a lot more room to play with.

    To give you an idea, the motor area is about 10"x 9.5" x 5" deep and the rear bay is 9.5"x 8.5" x 4" deep, so tons of room ! Bay 2 could just be for RC and stereo😁

    JB

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    7 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    You are underway now Fleet.
    One question, Is there any reason you have not cut out the insides to frames 2,3,5.?

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    Threw a dart at a bunch of free plans and came up with this one (old MM plan) No matter what I chose, I would always see something else and wish I'd built that instead, but this has possibilities for a few improvements to the hull and a bit of room for extra 'stuff'. I had it printed originally to A-O size, but it came out a tad large, so I scaled it back to 33" x 10" which should make a good sized model. If I'd gone with the original print size (48") it would have required a weed-eater motor, my own forest, and a trailer😁. At 33" it will suit 3ft balsa sheets.

    Went up to the print place and got it done yesterday, came home and did the bulkhead tracings, then transferred those to some 4mm light ply and cut them roughly to size. Later today I might give them a haircut to the final shape with my small bandsaw. Next job will be to find some spruce for the framing, which could be a challenge, as the main (almost only) model shop in Auckland, is a bit light on for most modelling wood at present.

    I'll build it my usual way, - upside down with a central square hardwood spine screwed to the board, with the tops of the bulkheads notched to fit over it and all blocked in place. Once planked and glassed, the spine can be cut out in the required areas. This model could take a while, as I have a dozen other jobs which need doing.
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    6 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi John, thanks for that info, I originally had no idea of the size or even the plan No. It is now almost twice the size and is turning out to be only 'reasonably easy' now with the scale changing a number of things (timber sizes etc which would not work round curves) and now have to be laminated. I've had to alter a number of things so far, and there are more changes to come (big balsa bow and transom blocks have to go and will need to be be built up instead). Transom block alone would need to be 60x230x100 and cost about $30 in balsa and need a lot of 'whittlin' and sanding ! (not to mention unnecessary weight) I do enjoy a challenge though😁

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    Hi there

    just been looking through an 'old' Plans Handbook - it's that old its falling apart :-) and I came across plans for a run about MM480 and this is the bumph that goes with it :

    'an 18 inch sporty speedboat based on a Chris-Craft design' a 6 inch beam idea for towing a small scale water skier. It's just large enough for a miniature radio control.

    Ply construction and it has two stars = easy construction' .

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    Hi Peter, thanks, wouldn't mind the info if it's not too much trouble, I may only have 1 of perhaps 2 sheets by the looks of it. This was the only info on the plan.

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    Have the original blurb & plan somewhere in my files JB . Don't remember correctly but think it was around 21inch or so. Do you want the blurb ? - can dig it out easily enough .
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    Hi Peter, it's an old MM plan done by the MM staff. Not sure what the original length was as there is no detail on the drawing I have. Nothing matches of course now I've changed the scale, and I'm not sure it's a great plan, as when I cut all the bulkheads they were miles out in some cases, (could be the printer at the print shop not scaling things properly), so I've had to do a lot of fiddling and re cutting to get things somewhere near for now.

    Once I get it all centred and propped on the board I will get a better idea of what needs chopping or packing. It's going to be a bit of a challenge I think. Biggest problem is both the deck and the keel are curved which makes it hard to judge what's right. I'm having to guess at what's there and have changed my mind a few times already😁. I've glued the long aft propshaft blocks to the keel, but have now decided (almost😁) to go with twins instead I'll get there eventually. Good thing about wood, you can hack it into any shape you want.😁

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    JB.
    Silly me.
    What was i thinking LOL!!


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    Hi JB - Looks like the Runabout plan - that was kitted either by Amati or Mantua - think the latter. But a lot smaller than you are proposing - looking forward to your usual detailed build but remember even at that size it cant support the kitchen sink - and don't forget the dizzy blonde sunbather............
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    Re It strikes me that this one will not have a lot of working doodads

    Where did you get that idea from Martin ???πŸ˜‚ it has lots of room for doodads 😁 and I have plenty of them😁. I'll have to try and build it lighter than my usual 'tanks' if I'm going to use one of the motors I have in my collection, as it's going to be reasonably large overall. Not sure if it will be brushed or brushless yet, that might have to wait till the 'sea trials'.
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    πŸ’¬ Re: VINTAGE RUNABOUT -NEW WINTER PROJECT?
    9 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I bet this is going to look good when it is finished JB.
    It strikes me that this one will not have a lot of working doodads.
    Looking forward to the next instalment.

    Martin555.
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    πŸ’¬ Re: VINTAGE RUNABOUT -NEW WINTER PROJECT?
    9 days ago by Newby7 ( Rear Admiral)
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    Looks to be a good next build..
    Rick
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