The non-political look at the Brexit vote is a case of not understanding numbers by the politicians.
If you have a club with a membership of 100 and you vote to do something radical like winding up the club and think a straight percentage vote will decide. Then one person only could be the one who decides. On a 50 : 50 split one person changing their mind gives a 49 : 51 or 2 % difference. You might think that with 100 members each represents 1% but as you can see it is not the case.

Some younger members may remember that the so called Brexit vote was the second vote on the subject as the Common Market changed into the EU and the UK voted something like a 75 : 25 split to stay in. A sensible 3 : 1 majority, were happy to stay rather than leave.

If Cameron had been more numerically aware he might have added the caveat that there should be at least a 60% majority for change either way. The rather tiny differences at the Brexit poll could have been different if it was raining! With perhaps fewer turning out to vote.

With the Brexit vote at 51.89% : 48.11%, you can appreciate the small number of people who influenced the numbers. So in common sense mode, a flawed decision and an illustration of not understanding the numbers. Not unexpectedly the misleading numbers quoted in the debates have since been seen as not representing the facts.

Although the BBC had a week of the Radio 4 programme "More or Less" leading up to the referendum day looking at the real numbers for what they were.

I have tried to avoid politics in the above but many will see that numbers can be shown like statistics to represent what ever you want!

Sorry to go on a bit but I do like facts rather than the Blue sky we are so often fed.
Roy

Hi Duncan, the score will go up but only when the wrong answers are over 30 days old and no longer in the calculation.

If you look at the country ratings with one member responding the scoring is simple. With UK and the USA many more people have to all go up to push them further up the scoring table.
You cannot average percentage scores each score and the number of inputs has to be calculated from scratch each time.

1 out of 2 = 50% but so does 4 out of 8 score = 50%. You could say that the first only got one right but the second calculation has 4 right! Who did best?

Many years ago I had to summarize performance statistics at work otherwise nobody read them. I pointed out that at the end of each month you were measured on outstanding issues.
So at the end of the month clearing 9 out of 10 gave a 90% effective score but if on the last measuring day you still had one outstanding item you got 0%, 1 wrong out of 1!

There is no real difference just a matter of presentation. In the above case once I had analysed the numbers and created a s/w program to mimic the calculations there was no longer a surprise on first reading the ratings of the 'competing' 8 Branches. We were rated bottom when I took over but in 3 months of massaging the numbers we were top.
Nobody worked any harder or did more effective work, it is just numbers!

Roy

Hi SimpleSailor,
I agree it is very confusing! I had about 3 weeks at 100% and then I got a couple wrong and my score went down to 93% and for probably the past week it has stayed now at 93%. I know it has been explained that it is the average over the past 30 days but surely it should have started to go back up again!😀😀

Hi SS, the score is calculated from the accrued scores of the last 30 days, So with the rolling 30 day set of answers each day/answer represents just over 3%.

If you get all the answers right for the next 29 days there will still be one wrong answer until it drops off the end. So with one wrong answer the maximum score you can get is 97%

If the calculation was done on all of your answers and one was wrong you could never ever get 100%. The scoring system is a little flawed but with this one taken as an average over your last 30 answers is not a bad one.
Can you think of a better one?

It can be compared to school examinations, do you want to know whether a pupil worked over the whole term or just swotted up for the last couple of days before the exam?

Regards
Roy

Not for catching fish with 🤣🤣🤣😂

Hi. Can anyone explain why my own average score went down from 100% to 97% when I got one question wrong and now I have had three questions in a row correct it is still at 97%??😀

Ok. The explanation why it cannot be the Titanic makes perfect sense. Its not the Ross Ice Shelf either.

Got lucky, wasn’t sure but I hit the right key!,

"I am just going outside and may be some time”.
Famous last words!

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Hi Duncan I have been constructing the yacht Wild Duck I am about halfway through. I was hoping to complete it by the end of July but like you said thngs happen.

Had a treat today, family outing, car to Abingdon, Thames river trip to Oxford, splendid lunch there and a bus back to the cars and home.
Lucky you with the grand kids, my grand daughter is at work and busy.
I used to work in a local Infants school as a Learning support assistant I really enjoyed the kids.
With my job (IT) I saw the whole school so I was always saying hello to them when out shopping.
Now one of them is my G.P.

I was / am nackered I think it was the Pint Noir!

Regards to all,
Roy

Glad you had such a pleasing day Roy. As you age, of course you cannot do many things you used to do. My philosophy has always been, if you can no longer do something find an alternative that you can do.
Happy Birthday.

Belated birthday wishes Roy! Glad you had a good day. My Bruma build is not getting much time with all the jobs my wife keeps adding to the list! Also got the 3 grandchildren all week so that will mean another week with no time for modelling! Having said that it is still it is good to see the grandkids and spend time doing things with them. 😊

Well yesterday was a good day. Our son rang me from Thailand on his way to visit us. Our daughter came over for the afternoon, which was nice, I even managed to get a little work done on my sailboat project.

Old age is what you make of it, and I intend to enjoy it all, it was my birthday yesterday and most enjoyable.

I see that JB in the USA has seen sense, there comes a point in life when you have to pass responsibility on to younger more agile minds in agile bodies.
Just sitting and thinking is not a good idea, the body needs exercise to stay fit which in turn keeps the brain active and maybe even useful.

My wife (of over 60 years now) still expects me to sort out anything technical but now I freely admit to not knowing apart from "Have you turned it off and on again"?

Roy

Ahoy model shipmates!
Agree with previous comments.👍
Correct answer: None of the above.
AI screwed up again.🙄
Uncle Wiki got it right😊🤓:-

"SS Servia, also known as RMS Servia, was a successful transatlantic passenger and mail steamer of revolutionary design, built by J & G Thomson of Clydebank (later John Brown & Company) and launched in 1881. She was the first large ocean liner to be built of steel instead of iron, and the first Cunard ship to have an electric lighting installation." End quote.

BTW: this is also a deja vu. Second time we've had this debate.
Cheers All, Doug😎

The SS Great Britain was made from Iron. Not steel. Good old AI. I said the Titanic because it was made from Steel. However according to my research the first actual STEEL hulled ship was the SS Servia. A bit miffed as I have been at 100% for weeks now.

Dont stress it. With all the PC in this world the next ocean liner will be made of plant based copper

My AI is so smart & it's answer was The first steel-hulled ocean liner was the SS Great Britain. Launched in 1843, it was designed by the renowned engineer Isambard Kingdom Brunel. This ship was notable not only for its steel hull but also for being the first to combine steam power and a propeller

I can't answer today's question, because the correct answer isn't an option in the list provided.
Dave

Oh brother, AI gags again. 😜

Correct Commadore H, the correct answer should have been none of the above.🤣

RMS Servia os the correct answer, SS Great Britain was made of iron.
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Hi to Titanic again, never the answer, always a diversion. I agree with comments about iron v steel.

Today is going to be a good day! to quote Captain Tom.

Regards to all
Roy

AI still struggles with iron hulls vs steel hulls. RMS Servia was the first steel hulled ocean liner build in 1881. But the question was wrong again.

Glad to see the Titanic is making an appearance again 😁

Wasn’t that made of iron.
Servia was a steel hulled liner.

Hi, just watched 12:01 on youtube. My smart TV refused to find it! But it was on my laptop so with HDM1 cable plugged in I watched it all the way through, no adverts as I paid a premium to stop the too frequent ads.

Enjoyed it again and, by chance, having just watched the last half of Groundhog day it was maybe not quite as good.

Roy

Hi Mouldbuilder I agree a good film also the Philadelphia Experiment but this is a slip into the past.
The reference I was making was to films that feature repeats back to the same day as per Groundhog day.

Just a thought do not look for Philadelphia Story that is the original B/W version of High Society, which is excellent.
Roy

The Final Countdown is the name of the film with the aircraft carrier. I think it is a really good film. Right up my street.

You could watch it on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and imagine you are in a time bounce.

There is another good film with Kirk Douglas, I think, who is the captain of an aircraft carrier of modern day transported back to 1941 and the attack on Pearl Harbor during a strange storm. I enjoyed this one also. I have it in DVD somewhere.
I have 12.01 on region one DVD also.

Hi Roy, found it on You Tube after seeing your comments.
Regards,
Colin

Hi Xtramaths just found 12:01 on you tube, I will watch it again this evening.
Regards
Roy

In 12:01 I like the early part with the supervisor who sacks him.
I had my copy recorded but long gone now, where did you view 12:01?
Roy

Thank you roycv, started watching 12:01 and I was highly amused to hear the line 'you could be president some day' to a mouthy youngster with attitude.
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Makes you think of "deja vu" films. Groundhog Day, Live die repeat: Edge of Tomorrow , Tom Cruise, Emily Blunt. There is another, not often seen on the TV, called just "12:01". I enjoyed that last one as much as the others.

Anyone know any similar films?
Roy

Another deja vu!🙄

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Helm is the station area that used to originally only have the steering.

When you hear the wording in the warship movies, they always say, 'take the wheel ensign' and not 'take the helm'.


Cheers, Pete😊

Fortunately we have had this question before, so whilst I agree with the earlier comments, I remembered that the answer is Helm - surprised some of these contentious questions and answers get repeated.

Austin no doubt your experience is accurate. That said, today’s vessels the electronic aids to navigation, radar, gps, chart plotters, et Al are grouped around the wheel the outputs of which often actually control the wheel.

Sounds like in different ways, we are all agreeing it was a poorly constructed question. Semantics also come into play Europe v US as do multiple meanings. Not uncommon over here for the prop to be referred to as the wheel.

A larger takeaway for me is the follow up conversations almost every question generates. 👍

On the majority of vessel that I have the pleasure of using have never known the Navigation station to form part of the helm.
Austing

Bit of a strange one this. The helm is the place where steering, navigation and all basic control functions take place. It is not the name of the "boats steering wheel" The Helm has the ship/boats wheel in it. I have never known the actual wheel to be called the Helm. However I got it right as I knew it was wrong. 🤣

The Helmsman (person) has control of the steering The wheel.
Austing

So according to this genius the wheel of a car is not the wheel that steers it. Its the wheel that alters the direction the wheel travels in but it is not a helm as its not on a boat. So when asking it to spel orange it would retort with "the fruit or the colour"?

Was about to agree Cash but re-reading saw that wheel was part of the question. Buut, the tiller, rudder, & wheel all control directional attitude of a boat. So, this one turns out to be an exercise in reading precision rather than nautical correctness.👎

Ahh. I thought the wheel is part of the helm. If a boat has a tiller, that’s part of the helm. Anyway, that’s how I understood it, if Im wrong, well……Im wrong. It’s rare, I know, but no one’s perfect….🤣

Clearly the questions are not keeping up with current trends. Durban is currently 187 hours behind schedule and ships are lying on anchor outside waiting their turn. Clearly the right answer in in 2024 is Lagos.

Yes, was asked not long ago, I guess it is still the busiest port

We had that one a while back...

I get that feeling of deja vu again, but how many times can you have deja vu? Must be a personal 'Groundhog day'.

I spent my last couple of years at work with bar-codes, scanning and checkouts! Now that was deja vu, with repeats every week.
Roy