Row, row, row, yet another boat

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Row, row, row, yet another boat

In response to Martin's call for more blogs to help see us through the isolation brought on by Covid-19 I thought I'd start this one.

For a while now I have been thinking about building a rowing boat. I like the idea and the challenge trying to build something that moves using oars and looks right. There are several videos on YouTube. I especially like the attached one.

But where to start? I have been collecting materials over the past few months but haven't started to build anything yet. The plan is to control the oars with servos and electronics, two servos on each oar. A microchip to control the servos to give the rowing motion and to allow control of speed and direction. 'Throttle' and 'rudder' inputs from the radio gear.

As for the dingy I have found the attached plan which is a possibility if I scale it down. The rower will be an Action Man (acquired from ebay for 99p!) so the dingy scale will be around 1/6 to suit the rower.

That is as far as I have got. Anyone here with experience of this sort of model? I would welcome advice from anyone who has tried this sort of thing. Is the dingy plan I found a good starting point or is there a better way? Can I simply scale the plan down to 1/6 by reducing all the dimensions pro-rata, or is there something I'm missing?
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  1. RNinMunichBronze
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    Hi Graham,
    "Can I simply scale the plan down to 1/6 by reducing all the dimensions pro-rata, ..."
    Yes you can! (As the proverbial actress said to the bishop!😮)
    Oops! Another slapped wrist😌
    AS LONG as you make sure that what you are measuring is the true 'plan' view dimension, and not something sloping away from the viewpoint, which would thus be foreshortened.
    Cheers, Doug 😎
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  2. Martin555
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    Doug,
    That has now got me thinking now.
    Depending on how big the scale is i am sure i will be able to find something.
    My next move will be to keep a close eye on Grahams build log for more information on scale and control.

    Martin555.
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Test Rig

In order to be able to develop and test the electronics I decided to build a test rig for the rowing action. Each oar is connected to two servos to produce the desired movement. As a quick trial I connected one pair of servos to the receiver and tried to control the oar with two channels on one joystick on the transmitter. Not very easy to get anything like realistic movement🙄. I can see that this is going to be a long and challenging project!
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  1. G6SWJ
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    I am in awe of this one - Hats off to this inventor - looks like some sort of clutch/cam arrangement - all that from just 2 servos and no microcontroller!!!

    Jonathan
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First Faltering Strokes

It has taken a week to write the controller software, but I now have it sort of working.

I'm using a FlySky FS-RX2a receiver which outputs all control channels as a string of pulses on a single wire. That connects to the PIC based controller. Software in the controller decodes the string of pulses to extract the 'throttle' and 'rudder' commands. These are used in the rest of the software to control the rate of rowing and, eventually, the direction. So far, the software only controls the oars for rowing in a straight line. The 'throttle' input does control the rate of rowing although it does attempt to row far too fast. I know the oarsman will be Action Man, but I don't think even he would have enough stamina to maintain the rate at which it can row! There is more development needed to slow the rate of rowing, and to use the 'rudder' commands to control the direction.

The video shows the action at a reasonable rowing rate 😀

Graham93
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  1. Graham93
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    Hi Red,

    "don't understand how this works nor even know what an Arduino is"

    I'll try to explain the basics of this controller as others here may also be interested.

    First of all, Arduino is a small module (there are several versions) which can be programmed to carry out all sorts of tasks, not just model related. Several members here use them for lighting controls etc. I have no experience with using Arduino but what I use (PIC) is capable of being programmed to carry out similar tasks.

    In terms of the rowing controller, just consider a single oar to start with. It has two servos to control its movement, one to dip the oar into the water, and one for the stroke, to pull and push it. If those two servos were connected directly to a receiver on channels corresponding to a two axis joystick, then it would be possible to create the rowing movement by moving the joystick round in a square, from bottom left to bottom right then top right to top left and back to the start. If the two servos for the other oar were connected to the second joystick on the transmitter, then in theory it would be possible to control the rowing of both oars to go forwards, backwards and turn by moving both joysticks simultaneously. However the coordination needed to do this would be difficult. That is where the rowing controller comes into its own.

    The rowing controller simulates the movement of each joystick by generating signals for the servos similar to those that would be produced by moving a joystick round in a square movement. The advantage of the controller is it can simulate the movements of two joysticks better than I can manually, and it can also adjust one 'joystick' relative to the other to control the direction of rowing. At least it will once I have that part of the program running - it is nearly there.

    Sorry if any of the above is teaching anyone to 'suck eggs'

    Graham93
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  2. RNinMunichBronze
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    They're 'new eggs' for me Graham👍
    Can see I'm gonna have to investigate this PIC business.
    CU in six months😉
    Cheers, Doug 😎
    BTW The kids here don't suck their eggs.
    They blow them 😮 and then paint them for Easter decorations!
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Bionic Rower

Action man needed some surgery to make him into bionic man. The body was dismembered using a cutting disc in the Dremel. These figures are very tough, the plastic is thick and takes some cutting through.

Having got him apart, a subframe (skeleton?) was produced on which two servos are mounted. One servo rocks the body back and forth during rowing, the other turns the head.

He has a new sweater, courtesy of my dear wife, who is as mad as I am 😂.

The controller has also been updated to improve the rowing action, and to enable steering. Three transmitter channels are used, one for rowing speed, one for steering, and the final one to control the head turning. I'm using the tiny FS - Rx2a receiver which does not support telemetry back to the transmitter so there is no indication of battery charge. The controller is capable of monitoring battery voltage, but I need some means of indicating when the charge is low. Current thought is to get the rower to shake his head to the left and right as it would be more entertaining than turning a LED on, or sounding a buzzer. Anyone got any better suggestions? I'm open to ideas?

Graham93
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  1. Graham93
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    Not all miniatures, Martin. The rowing boat will be 36”. Sadly that means I won’t be able to try it out until the
    lockdown ends. It will fit in the plasterer’s bath for flotation testing, but not with the oars!

    I do have a few other ideas in mind that might be suitable as miniatures. But I must finish the ones I’ve already started first...

    Graham93
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  2. Martin555
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    Hi Graham,

    "I do have a few other ideas in mind"
    Sounds interesting.
    I think the main problem with making miniature boats is the battery size and weight, and of corse the small servos and receiver.

    Martin555.
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Dinghy construction

I searched for a suitable set of plans to build the dinghy and found an excellent technical paper on the FAO website. Having never built a dinghy before, this paper gives all the dimensions and full construction details so it was ideal for me as a dinghy novice.

There are a range of different sizes from 5.2M to 8.5M in the plan. I decided to use the details for the 5.2M boat, scaled down to 1/6th scale to suit the size of the bionic rower. I also decided to build the model using the same construction techniques and materials as the full sized boats. Partly for the challenge, but mostly because it means I can just follow the instructions! The frames will be oak, left over from a recent furniture project, and the planking mahogany salvaged from old furniture.

An evening was spent with a calculator and red pen, reducing all the dimensions on the plan to 1/6th scale. The full (scale) size frame outlines were then drawn on a sheet of white faced hardboard and the transom and frames assembled by nailing the pieces to the hardboard outline and gluing all the joints. The stem was assembled in the same way, cut from oak and jointed over an outline drawn on hardboard. The softwood braces are temporary and will be removed later in the build

The joints on the full sized boat are bolted with 8mm galvanised coach bolts. I couldn't find any suitable bolts of the right scale. 1.5mm would be approximately correct, but the ones I could find were not long enough. In the end I opted for 3mm button head hex bolts. This made drilling the frame sections difficult as there was not much room for error. Once construction is complete, and visible bolt heads will have the hex socket filled with epoxy and then painted to make the bolt heads look like coach bolts.

Graham93
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  1. Graham93
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    Thanks JB,

    I think it should look the part when completed. The big question mark is will it work? I.e. will the rower make it move as it should? It’s going to be a bit big to just be a static model 😆.

    Graham93
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Building Jig

The dinghy is built inverted on a building jig. The plans include full details for construction of a jig based on 4x2 and 6x1 timber. Rather that scale all the timber dimensions down to 1/6th scale and build the jig out of timber sections I decided to take a shortcut and build the jig from salvaged chipboard panels. This simply involved cutting the panels to size on the table saw and screwing them together using chipboard screws. Much quicker and stronger for a temporary construction.

Once the jig was assembled, the frames were attached and a couple of battens nailed across the top of the frames to hold them steady.

One consideration having built this solid boxed-in jig is that once the dinghy is complete it will be necessary to remove it from the jig. Many of the fixings will no longer be accessible as they will be covered by the hull. This would not have been an issue if the jig had been constructed from timber sections rather than chipboard panels. I have tried to ensure that once the dinghy is complete, enough screws will still be accessible to allow removal of the dinghy from the jig, but time will tell if I got that right 🤞🤞.
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  1. peewit
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    Hi,

    Thanks.

    Yes used tea and coffey before. The reason I use acrylics sometimes is that I need an exact match to other rigging nd I have sort of got into the habit.

    On a few of occasions over the years I have been asked to renovate very old statics for museums for display. You cannot and indeed shouldn’t replace any more than you actually have to on things like that, you need to conserve as much of the original as possible.

    With acrylics I can play about with things until I get it exactly right. I also then have a small bottle of an exact colour match in store for if I need to do more work on the boat at another time. This I usually give to the museum with notes on things so that if anybody else does it they know where I was coming from.

    I do the same with wood stains. I have a stock of different wood water stains that I mix up to get exactly what I want. Again this is a trick I got from an Anteques restorer years ago.

    You use such small amounts usually that the “sample” selection that I got from White friers in little bottles years ago is still in use. When I have needed more of any colour I get it by the big bottle and decant it as necessary.
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  2. jbkiwi
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    Looking good Graham, this is making me want to build another full sized fast delta like the 15ft one I built in 72, powered by a 75hp outboard. Built it a similar way on a jig, and screwed the bulkheads/frames to the jig with right angle brackets, so when I flipped the hull over I could unscrew the hull from the jig and lift the jig out.
    JB
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Hog, Chines and Intermediate frames

The Hog runs along the centre of the dinghy from the stem to the transom. It is bolted to the stem, frames and transom.

Once the Hog was in place the hull was strong enough to allow the sides of the frames to be chamfered so that the planking will lay flat across the frame edges. Notches were then cut into the corner of the frames to allow the chines to be bolted on. Drilling the long bolt holes through the chines and frames while sighting the drill by eye proved to be very tricky. I think they came out OK, but won't be able to see how well the bolt heads are centred in the frame members until I remove the hull from the building jig.

With the chines in place, time for more chamfering, this time the hog and chines were chamfered so that the floor planking will lay flat across them.

The planking will be 3mm mahogany. Four planks 24mm wide are needed for each side. Fortunately, the mahogany boards I have are 1" thick so I just needed to slice thin strips off the board edge. The first two planks (the sheerplanks) were nailed and glued across the frames, one on each side of the hull. I'm using 12mm brass nails which are only 0.5mm dia. Knocking these in through the mahogany, and into the oak without them bending proved to be a challenge. Eventually, I found that pre-drilling with a 0.4mm drill made the task viable.

With the sheerplanks in place, 26 intermediate frames were cut and fitted between the main frames. The plan specifies that the intermediate frames should be bolted to the chines. I decided that this would not be practical at this scale as recessing the M3 nuts into the chine sections would weaken the chines significantly. It would also be a very tedious task. I had some nice brass gimp pins available, so these were used instead. It wasn't possible to hammer these in from inside the hull as there wasn't enough room to swing the hammer so they were driven home using a C clamp.
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  1. Graham93
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    JB,

    It doesn’t matter what I say to him, he just sits there watching and waiting. No attempt to help, even when another pair of hands would make things easier😁. I have to be careful, my wife might say the same thing about me😊 😂🤣

    Graham93
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  2. Martin555
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    Hi Graham,
    It sounds like he needs to be motivated.
    Tell him that Barbi and Sindy will go out for a drink with him and see what that will do LOL!!!!

    Martin555.
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Side planking

The sides of the dinghy are planked with four mahogany planks on each side These are 3mm thick and 24mm wide. Fortunately I had suitable timber to allow each plank to run the full length of the boat, so no jointing was necessary.

Each plank was butted against the previous one and a torch used from inside the hull to show any gaps. Once the gaps had been removed by careful planning and sanding, the plank was glued and pinned into place. Each plank required 57 pins, three into each of the frames.

Once fitted, the final planks on each side were chamfered to match the chamfer on the chine in readiness for fitting the floorboards. The chamfer was not carried all the way to the front, as the floorboards at the front of the hull butt onto the side planks rather than lay over them.

(photos in reverse order - I will get the hang of this eventually!)
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  1. Graham93
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    Thanks Marky, Mike,

    The electronics for this has proved to be a challenge, or rather the software that is embedded in the electronics. While I’ve got it working in the test rig, it’s going to need lots of tuning once installed in the dinghy if it is to actually row as it should. I think I’m going to have to sort out a test tank big enough so I can test it at home before going to the lake with it.
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Effects of Lockdown

Bill the bionic rower hasn't been able to get to the barbers for the past 6 weeks during lockdown 🤣😂🤣
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  1. redpmg
    Commodore
    Wonder what the slightly smutty film comedians would make of Head Reflocking - cant think of any name except Syd? James? or the Goons for that matter .....
    But it does make a great change Graham - as Martin would say Well Done !
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Keel

The keel was cut in two pieces from oak. The rear section (deadwood?) was shaped to fit the curve of the bottom of the hull. Both pieces were glued and bolted to the hog.

Oak battens were then fitted between the keel and chine to support the bottom planking. Notches were cut into the frames for the battens. A straight edge was used between the hog and chine to determine the depth of the notch in each frame such that the battens are set at the right level to support and attach to the bottom planking. The forward half of each batten is made from two thinner laminates to enable the batten to bend sufficiently to follow the curve of the hull. The battens are glued and pinned to the frames. The two laminates in each batten are also glued along their length. Waterway notches were cut into the battens at several points along their bottom face. Finally the forward section of the battens was flared into the stem to give a smooth support for the subsequent planking.
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  1. mturpin013Bronze
    Admiral
    Because it gives instruction on how to scribe the water line then we can assume it has one , I would think its just by different colours above and below , I can't ever remember seeing a rowing boat with a white line. I really wouldn't bother with one, as you say there's not much you can do about it but I'm sure it will be fine.
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  2. RNinMunichBronze
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    "I'm going to just paint the hull white."
    PLEASE DON'T DO THAT!!🤔
    Just varnish it, and you don't need a waterline either.
    Just put a dirt and weed line if you must😉
    Doug 😎
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