HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT

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jbkiwi #61 of 93

HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT

While waiting for some stain to dry I thought I'd add a couple of battery monitors. One is just a plug-in adjustable voltage limit alarm for the main battery, the other is a small voltage monitor I found in my collection, which I had forgotten about. Finally put it to good use reading the 1s LiPo which is used for the lights. It is fitted to the underside of the bunk lid for easy reading.

Did a bit of tank testing today, and decided to modify the reversing bucket to try and improve reversing, and re-direct a bit of 'back wash' when in reverse. I've added a bit of a shield on top and a bit on the sides to try and get more water going downwards. Hopefully have that finished by tomorrow once the resin dries.

Also modified the air/water/smoke piping to add air to the water coming out the exhausts. I've run a pipe from the air/smoke line, across to the water out line to the exhausts and fitted a non return valve to hopefully stop any water flowing back to the e-cig smoker and drowning it. There should now be air and smoke through the outer exhaust, and air and water from the inner exhaust tube, to hopefully rough the flow up a bit.
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  1. Martin555
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    Hi Jb,
    Have just come across this and i wondered if it would help with the shape of your reversing bucket modifications.

    Martin555.
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  2. jbkiwi
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    Thanks for that Martin,- that's pretty much what it is now, except the bottom is not closed in. It was a bit too hard to close it in due to f/glass cloth not wanting to stay curved around a tight bend- (didn't have any Dynel cloth). Also it would have had to have been made in 2 halves. It's only about 60mm wide so a bit tricky to do in f/glass. It's something which probably needs machining on a CNC machine or printing on a 3D printer (you can buy jets with a bucket,- all done on a printer, or moulded but for stupid prices)

    You might be interested in some info on NZ Hamilton jets (up to 2008,-much bigger now) which were the first production jets in the world. American Berkley jets only started production in 1960,-(they try and make out like they were the first, and hold all the records etc,- bollocks they do😁) Some guys from NZ took a boat to the states in the late 60s and beat all the American boats on the Colorado river race. (hence the Hamilton Colorado series jet unit) Hamilton jets are used all round the world (even in your latest lifeboats) Most of our big rivers are shallow and braided which is why the jet was developed here so hunters etc could get access to good remote hunting areas which had no road access. Hamilton even made complete jetboat packages which were really nice, (a mate had a 16ft f/glass one with a Chev V8 which went really well.) -- Info on some other main jet manufacturers as well.

    http://www.hamiltonmarine.co.nz/hamiltonjet_waterjet/waterjet_history.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Hamilton_(engineer)

    https://www.berkeleyjet.com/t-about_bj.aspx

    https://www.kongsberg.com/maritime/about-us/news-and-media/our-stories/waterjets---40-years/

    JB (video is quite old but boat is impressive) I think you should build one!😁- that'll keep you busy😂
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jbkiwi #62 of 93

HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT

Finished making the mods to the reversing bucket. A spot of filler and paint again and back to the test tank. Bit of a bugger to f/glass being so small, - had to blob it on and Dremel and sand it back to shape. Has a bit more of a top lip and more down curl on the side chutes.

Also attempting to make some fairleads from aluminium. One turned out reasonably well but the other was a semi failure and will have to be reworked. Hard to file being so small and delicate, and being blind as a bat for small stuff (need 2 pairs of goggles😁) I have a headset magnifier but it gets a bit hard on the eyes after a while. Once painted they should look ok.
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jbkiwi #63 of 93

HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT

A few pics of the model in the test tank. Just a few more small bits to go on the outside, but basically complete externally. Test vid in the media section.
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jbkiwi #64 of 93

HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT

Got bored so thought I'd try the lights at night in the tank. Unfortunately the big orange streetlight mucks the pictures up and my $1300 Olympus digital SLR does not like taking photos at night (or if it just can't be bothered😠. Shame I sold my Olympus OM1 SLR film camera, as that would do exactly what it was told, night or day!

At least the dash lights show up well (even if out of focus😐) but the interior lights could do with turning up a bit I think.
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  1. MouldBuilder
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    Hi JB.
    I have an Olympus digital SLR camera also.
    Have you tried taking the pictures in manual mode on a tripod with a slow shutter speed. Years since I used mine. I use a small Canon or my phone these days.
    Peter.
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  2. jbkiwi
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    Hi Peter, I've tried all sorts and all settings, but it seems to a problem with the light meter. It won't work if the sensor can't detect light. When the comet came about 12 yrs ago, I had it all set up on a tripod, long exposures the works, but it would not work until I pointed it at a nearby star. If it's too dark the flash will work so it can focus, but if you turn the flash off you are buggered, - you need a light source close to the subject. Even in the daytime, if you point it at a dark area 40ft away the flash will operate!??

    For close up stuff I use the macro setting and manual focus which seems to be the best. It can be bloody frustrating when you get a perfect shot and the camera says "nope I'm not taking it" (even in the daytime and on auto) Sometimes feel like taking a hammer to it😠. Cant beat mechanical cameras. Camera is an E500.
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jbkiwi #65 of 93

HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT

Been trying to sort out a way to mount the boarding ladder on the transom while still being able to remove the rear deck. Finally had an idea (better late than never😁)-I managed to drill 1mm holes in the 4 flanged ends of the brass rod with my mini drill and cyano'd in some 1mm rod, leaving about 5mm proud. I measured the rod positions on the transom and deck frame and drilled 1mm holes for the rods, so the top flanges sit the thickness of the deck ply above the frame.

I then filed slots in the rear of the deck ply to slip round the rods. The ladder was fitted with the top holes started first and wiggled down till the transom holes lined up. A small dab of silicone was applied to the rod ends and the ladder pushed into place. Deck slips nicely under the flanges and the slots are barely noticeable.

My nice little extinguishers from Al Ex turned up finally and one was mounted using a cut down plastic protection cap from a 6v lantern battery. Also made a 'radio' for the front cabin cross beam, (picture printed on decal paper with an acetate screen cover and knob from a slice of a 3mm nylon bolt remnant.

Still waiting for more bits for the electrical side so that can be completed. If you could know everything you might need to complete a model then you could order it all at once, but you never will so you can't so you don't😁 There is always something you forget😐 Probably Gods' way of stopping us finding out how much we are spending, by doing it in small bits, as if we knew, we might not make models😂
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  1. jbkiwi
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    Good old tech Doug😁 It might be post tape deck as it has a CD slot (old tech now)

    On a side note to that,-my ex killed my good Alpine manual tape/ radio in my 88 Corolla AE92 L/B which I have replaced with a wonderful Chinese digital radio/SD card/USB/BT, which has a mind of its' own, (keeps dropping all the presets and needs resetting, but works well most of the time).
    My 90 Cressida has a very nice vintage tape/digital set (still works perfectly) and my Mazda Axela has a digital/cd set. Everything is old tech,-cars included (except the new Corolla radio ) but still works fine. I've found that all these new stereos with the Hall effect (or whatever it is) tuning/volume knobs, clap out in no time (usually on the volume side) and you are stuck having to use the remote. I have 2 Akai home stereos with the same problem. Bring back proper tuning systems!. I still have an NZ designed and built valve radio from 1954, which still works perfectly, also still have a number of radios from the 70s, including a Yaesu frog 7 comms receiver. My uncle was an electrical engineer (ex RN submarine electrical engineer stationed in Malta) and worked for PYE NZ in the early days of TV manufacturing, and as a kid I remember him showing us an early transistor radio model (a few years before they were actually produced) (you might be interested in these sites being a radio man)

    https://www.vintageradio.co.nz/model/clipper/5m4

    (I have a near perfect red model)

    https://leanpub.com/pyeradiowaihi/read

    Cheers, JB
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jbkiwi #66 of 93

HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT

A bit more fun playing with BT music transfer to the model. Tried my old smart watch which I've fitted with a micro SD card expansion and it works fine. Only problem is the low power transmission output from the watch, giving a low volume from the BT speaker in the boat, (my cheap phone puts out about 10 times the power of the watch. The better smart watch I have is about 50% louder. Could be fun at the lake, playing music from the watch, (only has a 20ft diam transmission range, but it's all you'd need, as as the boat comes by it will pick up the signal and carry on playing (should be effective for 40ft - 2 x 20ft Rad)

"Who'd 'ave thought, 40 year ago, we'd be sitting here, drinking Chateau De Chasselas and controlling music in our model boats from our wrist watches"? 😁 "Aye, back then we couldn't afford a watch", "or a wrist", "or a sun dial", "Our mother made us look at sun to guess time", "We were too poor to afford a mother",.................................

Thought I'd go with a nautical theme - "any Irish in the house"?😁

JB
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  1. jbkiwi
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    Hi Peter, is the orange a reference to a particular Irish order?😁 or are you taking the Michael?😂
    I thought the Pogues would be just the ticket😁, (at least it was nautical😊)

    JB

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jbkiwi #67 of 93

HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT

Finally received my voltage regs, (sampan docked today) and the electrical spaghetti is all done, (and I now have lights for Xmas!)😁 11 components on.
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  1. jbkiwi
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    Re - I bet there was a little head scratching going on with that lot Jb LOL!!

    Just a bit Martin😁, did let the smoke out of one volt reg (wrong polarity in the maze) so I bought a bunch just in case I do it again😁

    JB
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jbkiwi #68 of 93

HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT

Made a new silver steel 4mm shaft yesterday,-minus the big flat on the front end which should help with a new coupling balance. Still having problems with the coupling due to excessive vibration due to bad Chinese machining. Have ordered 3 different types of couplings from Ali Exp but don't expect to see them before Feb next year. Have modified a new closer fitting prop which is showing promise of more thrust than the std prop. I tried it today with a silicone coupler, but the shaft moved back and the prop hit the flow corrector vanes, (plenty of noise but no damage😁) Really needs a keeper on the shaft to prevent movement. Bearings are typically noisy small Chinese stuff which will be replaced later with better quality stainless NMB bearings.

Looking at possibly changing the motor to a brushless fan cooled 36mm 1600Kv helicopter motor, and 45A HK DLux ESC (or other) for more revs on 3s (hard to find a brushed ESC for 4s). I'll see how the brushed motor goes once the new couplings arrive (and if they are any good) before trying the heli motor. With the heli motor, I'll be able to use 4s for more revs, as the brushed motor is suitable for up to 24v but most brushed ESCs are only for 3s max.
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  1. stevedownunder
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    Hi JB,

    Hopefully the "Silver steel shaft" is a typo meant to read Stainless steel.

    Hopefully those couplings come soon to prove your vibration theory.

    That is one powerful motor you have there.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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  2. jbkiwi
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    Hi Steve, the shaft is silver steel unhardened, but is in a drive tube filled with grease so shouldn't rust. Stainless is way softer as well so didn't want any flex, as I think I'll be having to spin it at around 20,000 to get anywhere near a decent speed. The brushed motor I'm using now is pretty grunty, but is only 1200Kv, that's why I dragged the heli motor out to have a look at it (bought 2 from HK about 8yrs ago quite cheap, but never had a use for them. They are 3-6s - 55A motors and run very smoothly. If the brushed is no good, I'll give one a go (ordered one of those star couplings to fit in anticipation.

    I do have another fan cooled inrunner, which has a truckload of grunt, but it gets hot quickly and would have to be copper coil water cooled. Also a couple of Feilun water cooled 540 brushed to try, which are quite revvy and only on 6v. Bearings in the jet are rubbish, which doesn't help noise😐

    JB
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jbkiwi #69 of 93

HARTLEY FLARELINE, SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

Got sick of waiting for the sampan to arrive with couplings etc for the boat (1.6 months now 😠,) so thought I would finish stage 2 of the project. I decided that being a trailer boat, it would look silly on a stand, so a trailer it was. Started this a while back now, and have been working on it along with stages 1 and 3. Takes forever, having to wait a month + for every single part to arrive for a project (and hoping they are suitable for purpose when they arrive), but finally getting somewhere.

The frame is made from 12x12mm aly angle, all screwed together with 3mm screws and nuts. The hull supports are from 8x8mm square brass tube, soldered to brass plates and bolted to the frame. The wooden support rails are drilled for a tight fit over the sq tube, set at the correct height then cyano'd in place. The tops of the rails are covered with stick on sponge rubber strips. The centre rollers are large plastic beads, turned to shape in the mill chuck using files, then painted and attached with 3mm screws. Winch post is also soldered square brass tube with plates soldered on.

The 'wobble roller' sets at the back are made from the same beads, just drilled to fit 3mm screws. The winch was made from 12mm aly channel and actually works, but more for looks than anything. The front dolly wheel is castering and can be locked up with a sleeve under the handle for 'towing'. The wheel itself is a small aircraft tail-wheel which was perfect for the job. Tail lights are plastic from a broken auto tail light, with painted balsa blocks behind, faced with ally foil for a reflector. The vertical trailer guide posts are 4mm brass tube, soldered to plates and bolted to the frame. These are covered with rubber auto fuel tubing, which was fitted by pushing the tubing on while blowing compressed air in the top to expand it. Detergent and water helped it slide on easier.

The guards were made over a wooden mould, using f/glass cloth and polyester resin. 'Mags' are 65mm car wheels which were black, till I repainted them with chrome paint. Boat and trailer combo weighs just over 7lbs (trailer is just over 1 lb)

As the boat has a very small keel, (none for the last 1/3rd,)and the hull doesn't actually touch the rollers, but sits just above them on the supports. Only the wobble rollers touch for support at the stern. Stage 3 almost done as well, but still waiting for a few more bits before 'putting it out there'😁.
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  1. jbkiwi
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    Thanks for the comment MB, was hoping to have it looking pretty much as the original, just as a bit of a fun exercise. A few more bits added now.

    JB
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jbkiwi #70 of 93

HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT

Added a walkway on the trailer (as per original) and modified the dolly wheel, so that it now actually winds up for 'towing' (sort of forced to as it mysteriously fell off a stool, all by itself and damaged the shaft). I made a new shaft and threaded it (m3), then soldered the handle to an M3 nut. A dab of solder on the top as a stop for the nut, and Bob's your aunty. Unfortunately couldn't replicate a proper winder in that scale, (threaded shaft inside an internally threaded tube attached to the winder, and inside an outer tube cover) so the thread sticks out when wound up,- not the best but I'm not too worried about it. At least it works.😁

I had a bit more of a play with the jet unit and filed the rake off the rear of the new prop, as the tips kept touching the flow straightening guides in the rear housing and making a huge racket. I also tried a different coupling as my new ones have not arrived yet. I forced a length of 3mm ID silicone tube into a length of firm plastic tubing, (similar to tubes inside spray bottles) then forced it onto the jet and motor shafts. The plastic tubing should stop the silicone distorting, and ripping under power as it did last time, (the motor is pretty powerful for a brushed 540 on a 3s). The tube is touching both bearings so shouldn't move back hopefully, (soon hear if it does!).

Tried it in the big white indoor test tank and it was a lot quieter and seemed to have a much better flow rate than the std prop, as it's a more precise 'custom' fit in the housing. I'll be out for a test on the first good day (had a few crappy days lately with a lot of wind). Boat's probably a bit heavy for the size of the jet, (6lbs) but any bigger jet and it would be way out of scale, plus to go fast they need to be on brushless high kv motors. As long as it gets a scale speed I'll be happy😁.

I've also modified the reversing bucket nozzles (closed them in and re directed them slightly), hopefully improving reversing,- won't know till I get to the pond, (bath-tub's not a good indicator)
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  1. Martin555
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    Nice work Jb.
    Surly there is not much more you can do now except the RC Tractor. LOL!!
    I bet you have already started thinking about the next project.

    Martin555.
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  2. jbkiwi
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    Hi Martin, actually received some of the new drive couplings today, (after I just made the other yesterday- always the way!) and they don't look too bad (a lot larger than I thought they would be (half these AliExp sites never give dimensions),- tested one (half, plus cushion) to 16000RPM and it was quite well balanced. When the present one gives up I might give one a go.

    Re the 'tractor',- road tested yesterday (actually on the road), and all looks good to go to complete the 'package'. Should have some pics and maybe a vid soon, (just waiting for a decent day) Just as a teaser,😂😉 this was the original 'chassis' (looks a bit different now)

    JB
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