Ah, if you are German then it's 'echolot gerat'.......

All SONOR is is posh ASDIC, or should I say SONOR evolved from ASDIC. Or did the US call asdic sonar?

By the way Admiral Doug, whose side are you on? U.K or Germany?

Roy

Wow Nick, correcting an Admiral!

I think sonar was post-war?
Roy

Hey Doug, that would be the ASDIC pinnnga, pinnnga, pinnnga..

As Nick remarked below; after a while you get to recognise when the question is feeding you a red herring and tempting you away from the straight and narrow!
I too went for SONAR as depth sounding is only one of it's non-aggressive uses.

Although originally developed for the aggressive use we know from films like; The Cruel Sea, The Enemy Below etc etc, high definition side scan sonars are used for peaceful purposes as well. E.g. Ocean floor mapping, searching for lost ships (Titanic, Bismark et al) or aircraft, e.g. Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, without success☹️. It's even been used to search for 'Nessie', also without success☹️
Cheers All, Doug😎

I am going to challenge this question. First, sounders are a type of sonar, dedicated to determining depth alone. Sonar is an all encompassing term that refers to using sound waves to locate, by bearing, and determine distance. A sounder, by it's nature predetermines bearing and then determines distance.
Sonar is a technique. Sounder is a specific use.
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On my boats the depth of water below the boat was achieved via an echo sounder.😊 So I got it wrong again!

As I understand it SONOR is a military or scientific device used to locate underwater objects, ie, submarines, mines shipwrecks Titan Terror Fish etc. Echo/depth sounders are more commonly fittes to small vessels such as non military ships, pleasure boats, posh yachts fishing boats and W.A.S.P vessels ( I'm getting a sounding Troy).. I initially went for sounder but changed my mind and put S.O.N.O.R. as I am getting the hang of these particular quiz questions, where not is all as things may seem..

Hello all,
Slowly but surely I don't have to translate the questions . . .
My school English has improved a lot since I've been here on this homepage.
I have quite a few of you who write to me privately and improve my sentences.
Thank you, simply amazing.
Wet greetings from rainy Switzerland,
Michel-Cl.

Roy you are so right, all my family's boats were fitted with sounders to give us a constant depth readout.
Cheers Colin.

Oh! dear. I remember assisting in fitting the sounder in our son's yacht. It gives a continuous indication of the depth of water under the yacht.

Sonar is an acronym for Sound, Navigation and Ranging. That is rather more than indicating the depth of water!

Roy

Cashrc, the day I got married My bride of 1hr turned to me and said "What is yours is ours and what is ours is mine"! After 57 happy years it is still true,
Len

Sorry Fleet, I have to disagree with the rank of women vis a vis marriage, etc. in Texas, Men run the home!! The dishwasher, washing machine, dryer, etc…..😂
I learned at a fairly early age that women are not always the “weaker sex”. A lot of the girls around here when McKinney was a small town worked on a farm, ranch, or in their fathers shop. So yep. However…on affairs of the car expenses and repairs, and the budget, my wife defers to me. On other things, she has the say. Works out well actually.
Cash
PS…..somehow, soon after we married, I ended up with the toilets and cat boxes when we divvied up chores. I’m gonna have to look at that paperwork again….😂

I to went with copper as it was used for nails where as as iron wasn't in use to victorian times so copper was the first metal for ship building since its used in building used not iron its all about interpretation

I worked on the supposition that the question meant the first metal to be used to build an entire ship, as opposed to bits of ship....

I'm with you Colin,
I believe Shipbuilding refers to all materials used to construct the ship.
Trev

Good reply Dave, but you assume that the question means that the whole ship to be metal. On the other hand I still contest that the question is asking about shipbuilding not the ship's material.
Let's just agree to disagree, as I'm too old to change my way of thinking.
Best regards to all quizzes, cheers Colin.

Sorry Colin you are mistaken. Please see my comment re "read and answer the question". Still holds good after all these years. These sort of questions were set to teach you to think outside the box.
I will admit my time working in O&M may have heightened my skills in this respect plus any married man is well advised to consider not answering a question from his wife with the first or second thought that enters his head.
Cheers, dave

I disagree Dave, you have to count all metal parts used not just the skin, so I put it as copper, as the first boats using nails or rivets used copper long before iron and steel.
Cheers Colin.

I am reminded of my school teachers giving advice before exams - read and answer the question. In this case shipbuilding is the operative word and refers to the actual structure of the hull not any ancillary bits like nails/bitts or skins.

" The history of copper use dates to 9000 BC in the Middle East; a copper pendant was found in northern Iraq that dates to 8700 BC. Evidence suggests that gold and meteoric iron (but not smelted iron) were the only metals used by humans before copper."
Somehow can't imagine that there was enough meteoric iron laying around to build a ship.

The only folks able to indulge in gold or gold plated vehicles of any kind are the oil sheiks.
They didn't appear until the 1970s/80s.
So where do we go from here?🤕
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper#Prehistoric

Hi Johnf not on my laptop clearly it says copper. It does not need working and can just be hammered into shape although it will be brittle.

Ages
Copper 4200BC, Bronze 2500 BC Iron 1500BC steel, mid May 1574 AD, laptops April 1981 they can be more precise now! 😜
regards
Roy

If I'm not mistaken the Bronze Age preceded Iron Age and copper was in use in Neolithic times (Copper Age).
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Sorry Commander. No can do, not within my aegis I'm afraid🤔
You still have a little way to go up the ladder.
As indicated in another thread ALL women are born 3 star Admirals.
And on marrying automatically become Chief of Staff.
Boards of Inquiry, Courts Martial and demotions/degredations are generally difficult, time consuming and above all EXPENSIVE😠 Reprimands are simply brushed aside.
Best wishes🤞. FLEET😎

Iron was discovered first, so I guess it was the first used in shipbuilding.

John

Thank you very much Fleet admiral. Now, would you please be so kind as to inform my wife that I, NOW, finally, out rank her?😂

I also went with copper as it was the first metal used by man. O well, maybe I will do better next time😊

I also went for Copper.
Trev

Congratulations Commander👍
That goes for Commander GaryLC as well👍
Cheers, FLEET😎

"I love this job!" ( see Kelsey Grammar in "Down Periscope".
My last post proved that I was WRONG, and I got promoted for it!!!!!
I MUST be in the Navy now.😁😁😁😁😁

Hi Doug, the sheething of hulls on a large scale was a Nelson thing. All started in the late 18th. century. Nelson wanted to get the edge on speed against the Spannish and French.

Those wooden hulls did about 4 knots carrying with them all those crustaceans. As we know copper dissuaded them of this form of travel and gave copper clad ships another knot in speed.
May not sound much to us but Nelson's ships were 25% faster than the opposition.

The off shoot to this was the Indusrial revolution led by us. As the amount of copper needed had never been seen before and needed water powered and maybe steam power to get the copper hammered into thin sheets for the job.

You must remember that Victory was 3500 tons and similar to the other 1st rates and ships of the line. So a lot of copper needed.

I bet you never thought of Nelson as the cause of Global warming!

Roy

I did not expect so much support for copper as an answer. I reasoned it out as copper was being used before iron and they had ships as well.

Titanic might have been better off with copper as they could have hammered the bends and stretches back in place!

Roy

Gents.
It’s official the sign proves it!!
Us chaps have no chance in life.
Saw this sign for the toilets at our local garden center this morning.
Regards
Bill.

I went with copper because I am never wrong, well.. almost never, maybe kinda sorta never, once in a while?😂 Seems the Chinese used iron First Century AD. Hummmmmm

I nearly fell into a similar trap Peter.
Was thinking of the copper sheathing on wooden hulls, to keep the worms at bay.
Then I started thinking of Old Ironsides and the like, i.e. the switch from wooden to iron hulls.
Like Titanic 🙄 (Extra for Roy😁)
Cheers All. Doug😎

I went for copper rivets. Oh well, there’s always tomorrow.🙃

Ancient Greeks and Phonecians used copper nails, and cladding on the hulls in B.C. times.
Cheers Colin. 😛

Iron

i also opted for copper , because of Copper nails being used in the construction of Viking craft.

Yes, I was tempted to go with Iron and then did a little research as one does, to find that the ancient Egyptians used copper fastenings on their boats, and if it was good enough for them then the first metal used was Copper and not Iron.

We have a new learning item here. I thought I had seen copper being used on exhibited Viking ships and I was right.

But archeologists decided that for reconstruction purposes copper would not damage the wood as iron eventually does. Iron rusts and increases in size and splits the wood.

Good question.
Roy

My average is looking up! Helps that the questions have been somewhat easier…

Ahhhh the ladies of the world…. Sometimes a very difficult creature to understand
There was a multi page book out along time ago…. Men are from mars and ladies from Venus..( something like that, I wasn’t paying attention again ). It was all about women and what makes them and what they want.
Now men on the other hand, our version was on a sticky note…. Food, sex, booze & boats…. You pick the order you want.
Now, I’m coming up on 30 years of marriage in October as it stands this week…. It could all change in the blink of an eye…. My wife keeps telling me she’s young enough the remarry and that her next husband will appreciate everything she got in the settlement….

“If anyone has any tips on how to get through to the ladies I would appreciate it”

Roy…What you are failing to understand is!!…
“We are all married to the same woman,they just have different names!!”😂😂

Regards
Bill.

Learn to listen and keep your thoughts to yourself. If pressed I always ask what do you think? then agree as long as it doesn't involve my money.
dave976

Just to let you know SWMBO liked it. In fact so much that she asked if I had bought the ingredients already done!!!! When I assured her that I had done all preparation myself she was surprised.

Now we have been married 60 years next month, in the beginning, her cooking was not good and after 6 months I took over the cooking and have done it ever since.

I clear off to Oz for 6 weeks each year, when I get back I ask if all well and she says the food was not so good!

If anyone has any tips on how to get through to the ladies I would appreciate it?

Roy

Hi there are just the 2 of us and so I make simpler meals, except when family come then roast tatties are requested!

Today is stir fry and chicken coated with a stuffing mix with a sweet and sour sauce.

Roy

My average rages up and down I suppose measured over the last 30 days some times a right answer is dropped off and sometimes a wrong one. Not sure what happens if you decide not to answer though.

I think we used to call them rolling averages when I was a working person.

I applied it to my working life starting from when I left school. At the moment my working life against total years since leaving school is running at 55.7%. This in rolling years rather than months. With guaranteed non-working years dropping off each subsequent year.

I am hoping to get this figure down to 25.6% when I shall be 100 years old! I look forward to my life now devoted to (my dear wife) after all she may read this, and making models.
Thank you to all those who are or will be paying taxes to enable this.

I for my part will smile on them quietly as they learn what I and others could have told them many years ago.

Oh dear I think I better get on with Sunday rather than sit here and drink coffee.

Regards
Roy

Enjoy Roy, what's for lunch- something including roast tatties? 😀