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    HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
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    πŸ“ HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
    7 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Tried a bit of varnish stain today, - a bit furry and grain raising, as only first of a few coats (to be finished with clear gloss marine varnish) . This is going to take forever in this weather, as nothing is drying, and I want to sand between coats. Still waiting for China bits (motor's been here a week,- only at the airport 40 mins away- and still not delivered,-our postal service has gone back to the dark ages)!! filled a few more gaps inside (there are 32 parts to the cabin so there are a few) and need to final sand things, but paint just won't dry (2 days and some still tacky)😠

    Found I was still getting fingerprints in the white,( though touch dry 2 days) and found that using a hair dryer to heat the paint and a handkerchief as a pad, I could gently rub them out
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    πŸ“ HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
    8 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Painted the inside and tops of the cabin today but had a few minor problems due to the weather being cold which white enamel paint never likes, (Not perfect but will do for now). I can see all the gaps I need to fill now and will fill and finish paint them later with a brush (very hard to spray inside perfectly). Strapped on the side flashes to see how it might look but cabin still has to be stain varnished on the sides and screen surrounds (maybe tomorrow if the white is hard enough to mask). Might give it a day or so to harden up, as white enamel can be really slow in cold weather.

    I have made some cardboard cutouts to fit inside the window apertures to mask the inside off, as I was thinking of spraying the varnish with an air brush to try and get an even finish. Should look better with the stain on.
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    8 days ago by Newby7 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Painting does seem to bring out the places needed to repair or fill.
    Rick
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    8 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Sleek job Mr Vice SirπŸ‘
    She's gonna look really good when varnished as well.
    😎
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    8 days ago by Rookysailor ( Captain)
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    Once varnished and the side flashes are painted white, it will look fabulous jb, pity about the weather,here in the UK we are supposed to be in our summer period, but the weather is cold,damp and very windy, we are due a sunny day Friday, that will be our summer, Ha,Ha,😁

    Cheers, Pete

    btw, Congratulations are in order for your promotion to Vice Admiral.
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    7 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    RE - Once varnished and the side flashes are painted white

    Hopefully will look ok Pete, panel bits are quite fine so a pain to try and mask etc. Once I get a few coats of stain on and the clear on top, it should be reasonable. Re the weather,- blowing hard here at the moment and rain on the way, (nice red sunrise this morning out to sea) We had our drought summer, no rain for 4 months and dams 1/2 full, now it's the reverse,-rain, gales, floods etc.☹️😠 Not good painting weather.! Thanks for the congrats on me being in charge of viceπŸ˜‚
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    πŸ“ HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
    9 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Managed to cut the front screen surrounds out and attach them, along with the roof panels. Doped the inside, and primed the whole cabin (auto filler primer acrylic) after masking the side panels, which will be varnished after the top coat (white) Structure is now reasonably strong but still a bit flexible with no bulkheads. There will be a bit of mahogany trim here and there inside once painted, to break the white up (as per original)

    Hopefully top coating tomorrow if it's warm enough. Not doing anything on the hull yet, as still waiting for 'China' parts to arrive.
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    9 days ago by Newby7 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Sure has turned out well good job.
    Rick
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    8 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Starting to look really good now Vice Admiral Jb.
    Nice work.

    Martin555.
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    8 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Ooh err, am I now in charge of vice Martin😎 in that case, everyone down the strip club, beers and girls are on meπŸ˜‰, (or does it just mean that I have to look after the vices in the woodwork shopπŸ˜‚)
    JB
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    8 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Ref :- "beers and girls are on me"
    Jb, you will only regret it in the morning, so stick to the vice you have on your workshop bench.LOL!!!

    Martin555.
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    8 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Invitation gratefully accepted by Chiefs of Staff ViceπŸ˜‹πŸ˜‰
    Suggest we all meet up in Bangkok.
    Will you be posting us our online check in links?😁
    Thai or Cathay Pacific (Biz class!) direct from Munich will do nicely 😊
    FLEET// 😎
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    7 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Only thing is Fleet, you'll have to pay for your own rickshaw to get there, not sure how good 'vice' pay isπŸ˜‚
    JB
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    7 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    RE - Jb, you will only regret it in the morning, The workshop vice is a cold tart, but boy has she got a grip on herπŸ˜‚

    As Maxwell Smart would have said "and loving it" We only live once Martin, (as far as I know)πŸ˜‚

    JB

    And a bit of funny kiwi stuff to ease the pain
    JB
    Funny New Zealand TV Ads
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    πŸ“ HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
    12 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Cabin frames sanded and tops 'sized', - ready for gluing. Cut-out and framing for sliding hatch done as well. Next job will be the front screen surrounds.
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    12 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Coming along nicely Jb.
    Keep up the good work.

    Martin555.
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    πŸ“ HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
    14 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Success!, removed the clamps and the structure's reasonably solid which is a relief. Still have the tops of the roof beams to sand down, and will need temporary cross braces while doing any sanding, to prevent any sideways movement cracking the joints. Still have a lot of small gussets to make from the beams to the sides but will do that once the roof is on. With the roof panels just clamped on, the cabin is pretty solid for such a delicate structure, and should be even better once glued and gusseted and front screen panels are made, as the top joints are all that hold it at present.

    Next job will be to make the front screen panels and associated beams etc as the sooner they are on, the less likely an accidental collapse will be (due to old age stupidity😁,- eg,-just tried to cut the side off my thumb the other day slitting some balsa,) I've had the sweat, now the blood ,-just the tears to go (if I break itπŸ˜‚)
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    14 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Good luck Jb,
    I hate to see a crown man cry. LOL!!

    Martin555.
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    13 days ago by redpmg ( Commander)
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    Hi JB - Seems I missed a lot being away - You have moved on pretty far already. Looking great so far. What have you got in mind re extras - working bilge pump perhaps ? Not that you would need it hopefully . Or perhaps fishing rods , Tackle boxes etc . A replica motor would be nice - I have a V8 motor from a large truck kit given to me by a friend now in OZ. Always thought it would look good on an airboat model - but how would you stop the plastic from melting with the heat ? How did you overcome the problem on the other replica motors?
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    12 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Peter, the fake motors I did for the ST were just crude bits cyano'd on to the copper coil so never got hot (you might be thinking of someone elses' model,- think someone did a semi scale one a while back). I tried to find some replica Detroit 4-53 plastic kits and was going to run a shaft through them and hide the motors, but couldn't find one, and any motor kit or model costs an arm and a leg, so gave up on that idea.

    There are some with motors inside but are the wrong sort of motor and also expensive. The ones pictured look ok (for 36-40 diam motors) and are just a clip-on fan (fan in air filter). Might buy one of these for the Hartley model but not sure of the size, (a sort of suck it and see purchase maybe.) These are the sort of thing I was looking for but in a 4 cyl Detroit diesel. There is a Falcon motor which might have done for this model, but it's about $300! and there might be a motor in a vehicle kit, but they are stupidly expensive now also!

    Not sure what I'm going to add just yet,-have to wait and see how horrible the boat looks when finished. Probably have the usual stuff,- lights, anchor, squabs, instruments etc, plus it will have tinted windows, (as per the full sized version) and maybe a sound unit. Have to see how the jet unit performs as well ( will have to make a reversing bucket for it) before getting carried away.
    JB
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    11 days ago by redpmg ( Commander)
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    That cooling fan is not beyond your skills JB - hides the can pretty well - looking at a small computer fan as I write this - 2' diameter - sure you get even smaller............
    Good idea as you only see the top of the motor in a boat - not suitable for airboats though!
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    πŸ“ HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
    14 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Started framing the cabin today, - made cabin roof beams and capped the bent longerons (previously saw cut) with 1mm x 4mm hardwood to hopefully help it keep its' shape. A lot of cutting, notching and sanding later I finally managed to hold it together (the cabin, not me😁) with a few clamps (glad I just bought some more !) .Still have the bottom longeron to cap but will have to wait till I can lift it up when the glue has all set, to slide some more baking paper under to protect the plan/drawing when gluing.

    I've steamed the ply cabin tops over the kettle and pre bent them to avoid putting too much down force on the structure when 'roofing'.
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    πŸ“ HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
    15 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Was in a painting mood today so did the side 'flashes' to have them ready to slap on once the cabin is finished. I first doped them, then used an Inox primer then a white enamel for the final coat. To paint them, I made up a stand with thumb pins cyano'd into countersinks in a board, and the pieces pushed gently onto them. Once they were done I got on to the cabin framing which is a major amount of fun-NOT!

    The cabin is an open cabin with no bulkheads so took a lot of cutting and re-cutting to get things right. as the cabin top is curved and the sides also curved and sloping, it was a bit of a mission to get the roof beams correct. You have to allow a tad extra width on the roof sheets, (1.5mm marine ply) as when bent over the curved top beams you loose a bit in width. You also need 6 hands to hang on to all the bits😁

    I have temporary expanders and contractors fitted to keep it all in shape and 5 deg side templates to check it's all staying there. The 3 side stringers were slit with lots of saw cuts to get them to curve equally, and once the sides are all ready to glue up, they will be opened, cuts glue filled then re curved and all clamped back together again. once set, the shape should pretty much stay there and I can glue the beams on. The beams will have gussets from the beam to the sides to stiffen things up, and once the tops are on, it should be a bit more solid.

    I will probably incorporate a slip-in bulkhead with galley etc attached to add more stiffening at the bottom of the main front screen (I put a bulkhead here in the full sized boat with partial bulkheads spaced back either side for galley and head) As there are no bulkheads aft, I will have to come up with a way to hold the rear cabin in shape on the boat (perhaps a 4mm coaming on the deck to locate it. It's probably going to be a bit delicate but there is no way round it other than an aluminium frame (too hard to hide)

    To work on the cabin, I temporarily removed the hull semi frame which will screw back in the same place later. Might have been easier to have printed another drawing off while I was at it, but I'wasn't that clever (at the time)πŸ˜€
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    15 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Jb,
    Your thumb pin stand is a good idea.
    I have pushed dress making pins through some small square sheet Balsa wood and then i place the small squares anywhere to suite the pieces that are being sprayed.

    Martin555.
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    12 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Great minds think alike Martin😁
    JB
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    17 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Made the cabin side flashes today (will be painted white before being glued on over the varnished comings), and fitted some doublers to the stem for the stringers to sit over (sort of reverse rabbet as it's too hard to rebate such a thin piece of ply)- gives the stem a bit more strength and can be notched to locate the stringers. Also made a set of templates in case I might want to build future models with this hull. The hull can be lengthened by adding an extra frame or two as with the full sized boat.
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    17 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Rabbet Rabbit😁
    Looking very good JB
    Some nice shaping your rabbit is doing there.πŸ‘
    Does he chomp and nibble out the curves with his 'carrot nashers'?πŸ˜πŸ˜‚πŸ€£
    What' up Doc?
    Cheers, Doug
    (Your incorrigibly unrepentant FLEET 😎)
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    17 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Wasn't there a song about rabbiting Doug?😁https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGNojF9qKS0
    JB
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGNojF9qKS0
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    17 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Got it in one AdmiralπŸ‘
    That's exactly what came to mind when I read your post😊
    😎
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    17 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    You beat Fleet to it this time Jb. LOL!!

    Martin555.
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    17 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    No he didn't Martin.
    I was testing JB this time😁
    Ah jus' knowed he'd go hunting!
    😎
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    17 days ago by Rookysailor ( Captain)
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    "Made the cabin side flashes today" but you don't mention How you made them jb, but they look great!

    Cheers, Pete😊
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    16 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Sorry RS, should have mentioned they were made from 2.5mm firm balsa sheet and done the same way as the cabin sides, by tracing them off the drawing and transferring them to the balsa (pin marking-joining the dots). They were cut as near as poss with a knife and trimmed with the Dremel. Top surface edges are rounded to a D form.
    JB
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    16 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Re- No he didn't Martin.

    I knew you knew I'd know that DougπŸ˜‚
    JB
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    16 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Re -You beat Fleet to it this time Jb. LOL!!
    The advantages of being 12hrs ahead Martin, - I'm working in your future so I know what he's thinkingπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ (casts line out anticipating another nibble)πŸ˜‰
    JB
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    19 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    While waiting for the jet unit and motor to arrive, I thought I might get on with the cabin. Copied the cabin plan onto baking paper and transferred it to 1.5mm marine ply (bought an 8x4 sheet at a bargin price of $60 about 10yrs ago and still have plenty left after the HSL and ST, - it was a limited stock deal and I wish I'd bought more at the time! - now about $300!

    I cut the sides out with a Stanley knife, then drilled 18mm holes in the 'corners'* of the windows (* I know curves don't have corners) then cut between those with the knife and finished them with the Dremel fitted with a small drum sander. I fitted the sides with 5x5mm longerons and braces, and made reinforcing plates to cover the joins where necessary to stop any inward flexing. I used PVA wood glue, then once dry, ran a bead of UHU along each side of the braces to seal them. The sloping rear braces on the full sized boat, continue down and attach to the hull frames to prevent sideways movement.

    Next job will be working out the roof battens, roof sheeting and front cabin ply pieces for the front windows.
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    19 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Jb,
    Ref :- (* I know curves don't have corners)
    They do when i do them LOL!!!!

    Nice work.

    Martin555.
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    19 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    I think most of us have had to correct 'unwanted corners' Martin, especially those of us relying on seeing eye dogs with wobbly pawsπŸ˜‚
    JB
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    19 days ago by MouldBuilder ( Captain)
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    Looking good JB. Very nice wood work.
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    19 days ago by Newby7 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Lots of work looks good .Rick
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    17 days ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Nice work, thanks for sharing the great photos. It's encouraging to see your work!
    Joe
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    22 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    I've now cut out the frames and fitted the rear keel flat section to mount the jet unit. Also added the top center stringer. I won't be able to do a lot more to the frame until I get the jet unit, as I don't know any measurements and what I might have to remove or add. I might make a start on the cabin sides and try to find some mahogany veneer. I have glued the first 3 frames to the top ply stringer support blocks but nothing else yet, in case I need to make any adjustments. I've also ordered a 12v brushed high speed/torque 550 (with bearings) to try first. Much cheaper than brushless, and I could drag out my little used (fizzy) Electronize ESC or my 43 yr old Graupner 18A ESC to try with it.
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    21 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    She is looking good so far Jb.

    Martin555.
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    21 days ago by nasraf ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    I wish you had started this build before I started the HSL, particularly on the frame and stringer pre assembly. Also I have now found out that it is a major error not to cut the openings in the frames before the structure is assembled.

    You are giving a master class on how to do a scratch build.
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    21 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Don't know about master class nasraf, as there is always something I forget. Just a lot of trial and error really to get things looking as near as possible to scale. There is always a lot of packing, cutting and dremeling etc to get to the end result. The HSL drawings needed a lot of tweaking, as although they looked good in the magazine they were nowhere near the same profiles side to side as mentioned. You had to choose a side and flip it over and copy it to the other side to make them equal, then start your framing from there. You usually only discover things like this after you have started, and are wondering why things don't look right. I never trust drawings or plans in books now and check everything shown is symmetrical first.

    One good thing about building with this method is that you can keep trying every fit and shape before being happy enough to glue things. I enjoy the challenge of creating something from a picture or a plan.
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