๐ฌ A model of the S T Atlantic Cock
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง modeltugman ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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HI Ralph we have a launchung crane at our club so it is not really a problem with size and weight, most of my big tugs actually weigh less than 30lbs without the battery and ballast, I use 46amp hour gel cell batteries where possiblt and then trim with lead blocks ,the Atlantic Cock has her battery plus 3 x3lb lumps of lead so she goes into the cradle light, then is loaded and launched mechanicaly simples really and no bad backs. George,
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12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ralphwilmot ( Master Seaman)
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Good looking detailed tug, must be a heavy to launch. Ralph ▲
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๐ฌ A model of the S T Atlantic Cock
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Hi,
I've been thoroughly enjoying the photos of your large collection of tug models, especially this one. They look splendid and I'm sure many of us would like to learn more of your methods. The plating on this hull looks fantastic. Thanks for posting the pictures. Ian ▲
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๐ฌ A model of the S T Atlantic Cock
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Hi,
I've been thoroughly enjoying the photos of your large collection of tug models, especially this one. They look splendid and I'm sure many of us would like to learn more of your methods. The plating on this hull looks fantastic. Thanks for posting the pictures. Ian ▲
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๐ฌ more of my tugs
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Dave M ( Vice Admiral)
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Another super trio. You posted before my previous reply so thank you for sharing ๐
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๐ฌ A selection of tug that I have built
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Dave M ( Vice Admiral)
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Nice selection of tugs. The detail looks very fine and are a credit to your modelling skills.
Perhaps you might consider a separate post for each model with four pictures in this section as there will be members who are contemplating or building similar models. More pictures and brief details would certainly be most welcome. ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ J. R. More
7 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ circle43nautical ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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BRAVO ZULU! Very beautiful build sir!
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12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Dave M ( Vice Admiral)
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HI Ralph
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๐ฌ J. R. More
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ralphwilmot ( Master Seaman)
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HI Dave
Thank you for the contact. No would not attempt a Castle ship, all the ports would do my head in. I will take some video of the Tug and post them when the weather allows. Also with some details on electronics etc. Thanks ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ J. R. More
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Dave M ( Vice Admiral)
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Good to see a model of a UK tug which saw service abroad. I suspect with all that power on board you could tow some quite large and heavy loads. Will you be building one of the Union Castle ships to complement your tug? ๐
Be good to see some video of her sailing. My Al Khubar used to use software to link the twin screws to the rudders and exhibited all the sailing features you describe. As you have added lots of electrical detail it would be good if you could share what and how you did as many members seek to achieve similar results but lack sufficient knowledge. Thanks for sharing and hoping you consider shareing your next build. ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ USCGC CAMPBELL WMEC 909
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Looks fantastic and what an achievement. I agree with Dave, it would be great to see some action shots before you 'retire' her to a museum. My heaviest boat is 25lb and I don't like carrying that any distance! She doesn't bounce about though.
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๐ฌ USCGC CAMPBELL WMEC 909
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Dave M ( Vice Admiral)
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Time well spent and the end result justifies the time taken. Please let us see some pics or even a video on the water before you berth in the museum ๐
I know the feeling re large heavy models but on the water they look so magnificent. ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ b10 naval
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง kevinsharpe ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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The model is from a 'Veron' kit now produced in the sixties to early seventies. veron no longer exist. She was a Vosper fast patrol boat of the Trinty class. I am currently restoring one which has twin electric. The model was originally designed to run on a single screw powered by a 10/15cc Ic engine. Copies of the plans of the model are available on e bay. Fleetscale also prosecutor an accurate drawing of the vessel along with a grip hull.
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12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง vaderswar ( Leading Seaman)
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its a vosper 100ft patrol boat called HMTS Courland Bay. regards steve
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๐ฌ b10 naval
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง stanley ( Recruit)
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Thanks Mate Your a Star,,,,,,,
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๐ฌ b10 naval
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Michael R ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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look in the military section its a vernon fast patrolboat
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๐ฌ Sea Queen
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง frankburgess ( Master Seaman)
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Well fellas, Sucess the boat performed pretty well, similar performance to the motor which burnt out, but without any drama. Checked the temperature of the motor occasionally, and it seemed warm but not excessive. The battery is a 7amp lead acid (Motorbike type) and gave well over an hour running time.
Unusual feature of the boat, is that being big (46") the wash is considerable. Thanks for your ideas Best Regards frank ▲
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12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง frankburgess ( Master Seaman)
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Thanks for the ideas fellas,....as the motor was given free I will try it out with just brief runs and check the motor temperature.....I'll let you know the outcome
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๐ฌ Sea Queen
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง wombatjames ( Leading Seaman)
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Action Electronics do a 900 size motor which top revs at 6500, so bucket loads of duration torque to turn a higher pitch prop. 1/4" drive and used on large boats.
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๐ฌ Sea Queen
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Gregg ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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A 50mm prop is a sizeable item, for a setup requiring "speed". I would either suggest you use a gearbox and drop it to a 3:1 setup, thus offloading the motor, but tripling the torque out.
Why not simply fit a medium size brushless motor, which will give you the revs you need and drop to a smaller prop. this then allows you to use a smaller/lighter battery pack [Lipo]. I dare say that if you check the spec on the "johnson" motors, you wont be getting much more than 16 - 18,000 tops at its top rating. dont forget, this is in "unloaded" test. Coupling it to a 50mm prop, you would be lucky to see any more than about 400 rpm, BUT a current draw in excess of the motor rating, thats why it did not last long. hope this helps. ▲
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๐ฌ Sea Queen
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง frankburgess ( Master Seaman)
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Well........more Sea Queen sagas.
The wheel chair motor was no good at all. very low revs and negligable thrust. Fitted a replacement Johnson motor from a 14v battery drill, ......success!......reasonable pace semI planing for about 15 mins when the motor gave up in a cloud of smoke. I have been given a motor stamped Johnson 970 with a label 'Marlin MK2'. The motor has 1/4 shaft and runs at considerable revs on 12V and has been used in a model cabin cruiser on 14V. My prop is a 3 bladed brass 50mm. I think this prop was too much for the original motor and caused the burnout. Would the bigger Johnson handle the 50mm prop or should I fit a smaller prop? Any ideas? Best Regards frank ▲
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๐ฌ Sea Queen
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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It would be nice to see more of your Sea Queen and some action shots- always a favourite of mine.
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12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง frankburgess ( Master Seaman)
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Motor is now fitted ...its a 'Redmond' 12 V 10Watt.......not sure its going to be right though...it has massive torque but low revs on 12V.
I don't want the boat to be quick because my club majors on scale sailing models, and a 46" launch charging round the lake would not be popular! Any way nearly ready to go I'll let you know how it performs. Rgards Frank ▲
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๐ฌ Re: This Is a scratch built paddle steamer named "Jeanie Deans "
21 days ago by ๐จ๐ฆ RPLedm ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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She is Beautiful!!
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12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Chiefy ( Able Seaman)
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Hello Ian,
Thanks for your kind words and thoughts, will try and do a Video,especially if the weather stays mild Regards Brian ▲
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๐ฌ This Is a scratch built paddle steamer named "Jeanie Deans "
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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I think people (including myself) often look at photos without comment thus giving the Impression of no interest. I think this a fabulous model and like Dave, I would be very interested to see a video if it were ever possible. Thanks for posting.
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๐ฌ This Is a scratch built paddle steamer named "Jeanie Deans "
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Chiefy ( Able Seaman)
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I have adapted a cassette player to play a full tape, running 40 minutes a side, so a nice varied selection of " Way down upon the MississipI " and all the popular rag time tunes.
Regarding ballast, with so much equipment aboard, I am marginally below the water line. My son took a video of the Maiden Voyage, see what I can do. Not sure if my computer skills will manage a build log, but will give it a whirl before I get to far ahead. Thanks for your interest ▲
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๐ฌ This Is a scratch built paddle steamer named "Jeanie Deans "
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Dave M ( Vice Admiral)
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Really nice looking detailed model. Bet she needs a few kilo to ballast! What tune do the Banjo Band play?
If any of your club members have a video it would be good to see this actually sailing. Thanks for sharing this detailed model, perhaps you may consider sharing your build skills in a blog when you build the Ayton Cross? Well done. ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Perkasa MTB
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ads90 ( Warrant Officer)
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Down at the lake this morning. Boat is now complete with hand rails fitted and painted. 40MM 2-blade X type prop fitted and with the batteries moved back she went really well. The bow lifted well out of the water and got on the plane very easily - would not want or need to go any faster.
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12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ads90 ( Warrant Officer)
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HI Dave
Yes, my ESC is a Tornado 50 Amp which is the same as my friend's one - in fact I bought it on his recommendation, however I usually use Mtroniks. Our motors are not the same but both have similar RPM at 12 volt. I have ordered 3 more props of varying sizes and pitch to see how it will perform - had I have seen my friend down the lake in the last few months since I have been building my Perkasa, I might have got the prop right to start with ! I don't think I will get a 'pass' to get down the lake before Christmas so hopefully it will not be too cold and freeze the lake again before I get a chance to try her out. Alan ▲
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๐ฌ Perkasa MTB
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Dave M ( Vice Admiral)
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HI Alan
Glad to hear you managed a sail today. Our lake was frozen, has been for about 3 weeks now. Sounds like you will get the batteries in the best place. Bigger prop will put more load on the motor which will draw more amps. is your friend also using an identical SLยฃ if the power is not available I suspect you will still not get the performance you seek. Good luck and lets hope all goes well ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Perkasa MTB
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ads90 ( Warrant Officer)
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HI Dave and all
Took my Perkasa to the lake this morning for her maiden voyage. She floated well but was a little nose down in the water so Dave you were right. She went reasonably well but a little slower than I had hoped but her bow pushed up well. I changed the prop to a 2-blade 35mm prop and she certainly went faster. No water getting in the hull or prop so pleased with this. A friend of mine also had his Perkasa out and he was running a 45mm and then a 50 mm prop with superb performance, he then dropped his down to 35mm and the performance was similar to mine. So looks like I need a 45 mm prop which is what I was going to get in the first place but didn't want to over prop it. When I got home I made some adjsutments to the bulkheads to get the batteries further back. So will let you know how she goes next trip out, as I long as I get the prop in time. Alan ▲
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๐ฌ Perkasa MTB
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ads90 ( Warrant Officer)
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HI Dave
Thanks for the comments. The SLA's are actually at midships at the point of balance. A friend from my boat club has built the same model but has a 12v SLA installed more towards the bow and it still planes. I think his 12v SLA is a 7 Ahr rating. When I tried my boat in the "Marine test tank" it reared up on a touch of throttle and shot water out of the bath at the other end, much to the wife's displeasure, so I am hopeful but don't expect to have much run time. I have 2 one metre yachts, RAF Fire tender, Tug and a motor driven ketch and I have changed all over the last couple of years to Planet 2.4 GHz and all perform well on our boating lake - the location of the receiver in the yachts is the worst as they sit quite low in the hull possibly at or just below the waterline but have always found them to be no problem. The only thing I would say about the receivers is that you have to be carefull with the pins because they bend easily. My last two models were Caldercraft and Mantua but the Precedent range is not the same quality. Still, I have enjoyed the build and must admit that the nearer it got to completion the better I fet it looked. ▲
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๐ฌ Perkasa MTB
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Dave M ( Vice Admiral)
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Looking good. Always happens that the pond becomes unavailable just when you need it most. ๐
Looking at your very neat installation the SLA's are well forward and you may find it difficult to get on the plane. I suspect the 700 motors will possible want more amps than your 4.5Ahr SLA's can supply. NiMh batteries would give more power for less weight and could be placed nearer the stern. I use 2.4Ghz (Planet) and once had a problem with range because the aerial was too low in the hull and was dipping below the waterline at speed, resulting in loss of signal. You may want to consider raising your receiver so it is nearer the deck level. Regarding quality, Precedent kits were very 1960's and very good in their day, but as you have found the quality is not as good as today's offerings. Mind you we were using old tea chests ply so by comparison they were good! ๐ Looking forward to your report on the maiden voyage Good luck ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Fire Boat 38
7 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ circle43nautical ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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BRAVO ZULU!
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12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง HoweGY177 ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Love the look of it, awaiting the plans for my next project and like you will be scratch building her. To anyone interested if you are modelling about 1/32 scale and are looking for scale crew and get stuck purchase wwe 2" high micro wrestling figures. There solid plastic and can be cut about and re-modelled using hot glue to any position that you want. Coat with unI bond before using air drying modelling clay to sculpture the clothing. Let dry and apply a couple of coats of unI bond before painting with Humbrol or similar paint.
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๐ฌ Fire Boat 38
12 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ jd ( Leading Seaman)
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I did make some drawings off of mesurments I took from the real boat and some pictures
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๐ฌ Fire Boat 38
12 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Dave M ( Vice Admiral)
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Great looking model. Very realistic but then it is a model of your boat. Nice to see a scratch built model. Did you draw up plans? ๐
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๐ฌ Fire Boat 38
7 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ circle43nautical ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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BRAVO ZULU! Great work on your maiden project. I also love using scrap & leftover template wood.
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7 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ circle43nautical ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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BRAVO ZULU! NICE BOAT! 1:12 scale is great for detail. Now you have the RC fever, right?
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